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Ouch, Bioware... Dragon Age 2, and now this?


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I am just annoyed that the fuzz is mostly about the ending being dark and not that the players choices don't have any influence. :/

Calling the ending "dark" is an insult to darkness all over the world, but I can sympathise with those people: If you are going to have a **** ending, make it at least happy. The bar for a "bittersweet ending" (which is what they think they created) is automatically going to be set higher. Now it just makes everybody unhappy, those who wanted a happy ending and those who wanted something well written (not necessarily two different groups).

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"The ending is kinda lame, well all of them are."

You are being too reasonable. Thyerefore, I ban you from the internet.

I'm still trying to figure out how the ending is so much worse than every other BIO game out there. L0L

BG1 has no variation in the ending at all. BG is good, bad, and god.

NWN has no variation.

KOTOR is good vs evil.

JE is good, bad, and allow bad guy to kill you.

ME1 not much variation mostly just councile choice.

ME2 is blow or save base.

DA1 is kill archdemon. No choice.

DA2 is support mages or templars.

So.. the hoopla is just garbage of the continuing of new age EA BIO hate. And, as we cna see by the sales of KOTOR MMO and ME3... in the end, these cries of faux outrage are menaingless silliness just so people can hear (read) themselves. *shrug*

ME3, btw, is FAR from poerfect... but the ending(s) is farrrrrrrrrrrr from it's biggest issue. But, to read people posts ... ME3 is a 99/100 game for 30-60 hours (or hwoever long it is), and a -99/100 for the last couple of minutes which completely (supposedly) destroys one's ENTIRE enjoyment of an entire franchise. LMAO

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Guess that just proves that giving you a choice of three **** endings is worse than serving you a single decent one. :p

You know what I'm actually worried about? That even people at Bioware will chalk it up to a "new age [of] EA BIO hate" and not realise that they really screwed the pooch this time.

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BioWare have long been immune to criticism. Sure, this time they may not have their usual buffer of rabid fanboys to cover them, but I sincerely doubt they'll acknowledge that ME3 was in any way flawed.

Edited by Oblarg, 18 March 2012 - 10:40 AM.


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So.. someone explain this furore to me? It's spreading to every forum I frequent. Why are you all so upset about the ending of a game?

Can someone sum it up for me? And can it really be any worse than time-travelling lizards from ancient times? :p


Hmm...how to put it without really big spoilers.

Imagine a game like Dragon Age but in space. You have to unite the entire galaxy against the big bad guy. So the entire game you struggle to do this.

Then you fight your way to the big bad guy...and suddenly instead of a big battle you are immersed in light. You are levitated and brought before an angel who says...I want you to pick one of three choices. You can pick a green light, a red light, or a blue light. You do so...and the game ends.

I was like...WTF does that have to do with the game? How can simply picking a traffic light color have any relation to what's gone on before?

I actually see more logic in the endings then most, but I'm still with them when I say...picking a traffic light out has no relation to the end of a War and magnitude of what the game was about....

And...

that pretty much covers it....

Most people don't see a connection between picking a traffic light color and the rest of the game. Hence, the big outcry is some resolution as to what their actions did, how their actions affect the end of the game, and something along the lines of C&C where their actions actually have SOME relation to the end of the game.

In a broader sense, for those who played the entire trilogy it's not just the choices of the game, but the entire trilogy.

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The goal of the series was to stop the reapers with any means available and the final choice (indoctrination and other theories aside) does exactly that. Works eprfectly.

Your final chocie in DA1, btw, was kill the archdemon... or... kill the archdemon... or... kill the archdemon...

DEEP

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The goal of the series was to stop the reapers with any means available and the final choice (indoctrination and other theories aside) does exactly that. Works eprfectly.

Your final chocie in DA1, btw, was kill the archdemon... or... kill the archdemon... or... kill the archdemon...

DEEP


Yes...choose the traffic light so you can destroy the Reapers...makes so much sense now....NOT....

In DA1 you go to kill the archdemon...that was introduced much earlier in the game and that was part of your goal. Choosing a traffic light wasn't any part of any goal in any part of the ME series really.

I'd ask you to stop being so Volourn about all this...but seeing that in truth you ARE Volourn and in some sense you would therefore define it...I suppose I can only say

continue being volourn about it.
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Volourn, the problem people have is that the game touted reactivity to all your previous choices throughout the series, and what we got instead was reactivity to one choice made at the very end of the game. Not only that, but the endings not only lacked reactivity to your previous choices but also, to a large extent, invalidated them - with the state of the galaxy at the end of ME3, much of what you've done over the entire trilogy is rendered completely meaningless.

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Hm.. I might be thick, but I still don't get it. I mean, why not just write it off as "good game, crap ending" like so many games before it? I even read news on Eurogamer that some nut has started a collection and collected 28000 dollars as a protest against the ending! Wtf?

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"In DA1 you go to kill the archdemon...that was introduced much earlier in the game and that was part of your goal."

The reapers were introduced in ME1. Hell, they were introduced before ME1 was even released. And, the final choice in ME1 (and the 'lights') was based on how you would deal with the reaper problem. Seems to me the follow through was right on.


"Volourn, the problem people have is that the game touted reactivity to all your previous choices throughout the series"

And, your chocies were reflected throughout ME3. Nothing done during the series was 'meaningless'. That's just more over dramatics.


I'd ask you guys to stop being typical overly dramatic internet posters... but since you are typical over dramatic interent posters just keep at it.


P.S. People go on about these so called 'traffic lights' yet they ignore that these so called 'traffic lights'are about effecting/dealing with the reapers along with the whole flesh vs intelligent robot issue as well. Which is what the series is largely about (along with following Shepard's mission to stop them). Ending handled it fine. Not the best ending but FAR FAR FAR from the worst ending. It's not even in BIO's top 5 worst endings. L0L

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And, your chocies were reflected throughout ME3. Nothing done during the series was 'meaningless'. That's just more over dramatics.


Reflected throughout the game, yes. But then the ending comes along and takes a big dump over all of them - with the mass relays destroyed, pretty much none of what you've done matters. The effective state of the galaxy at the end of the game is virtually unchanged by any of your decisions throughout the trilogy. On top of that, it simply offers no closure - all those characters which they've spent so long building and making you care about? **** knows what happened to them. It's just intensely dissatisfying, given the scope of the game before it.

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Hm.. I might be thick, but I still don't get it. I mean, why not just write it off as "good game, crap ending" like so many games before it? I even read news on Eurogamer that some nut has started a collection and collected 28000 dollars as a protest against the ending! Wtf?


It's when Duke Nukem picks up the devastator and rides the elevator into the stadium to face the Cycloid Emperor... to play tic-tac-toe. No problem with either of them - however you're in an FPS, you expect to actually shoot things. Really undermines the game concepts and since it's the last part of a trilogy the feeling is tripled I guess.

However look at the bright side of it: it gave birth to a lot of great gifs and youtube videos to lol at. :)

(Maybe I'm too much of a cynic, but I still expect them to release a DLC - reminds me of Fallout 3 pretty much.)

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"However look at the bright side of it: it gave birth to a lot of great gifs and youtube videos to lol at. :)"

:)

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isn't that the same thing DEHR did? I don't remember people crying about it then

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isn't that the same thing DEHR did? I don't remember people crying about it then


DEHR wasn't a conclusion to a trilogy of games built around a reactive narrative.

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so it's not about the ending without a proper boss then, but an ending to a trilogy? hmmm, I wonder if that's how people had reacted when they saw Return of the Jedi for the first time back in the day

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so it's not about the ending without a proper boss then, but an ending to a trilogy? hmmm, I wonder if that's how people had reacted when they saw Return of the Jedi for the first time back in the day


RotJ's ending was satisfying - ewoks notwithstanding, it provided closure for all the major plot threads and felt reasonably complete.

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Hm.. I might be thick, but I still don't get it. I mean, why not just write it off as "good game, crap ending" like so many games before it? I even read news on Eurogamer that some nut has started a collection and collected 28000 dollars as a protest against the ending! Wtf?

It's over 65 000 now.

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Here's a spergy dude going over it, you guys'll love it

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I think it's a case of badly managed expectations. BG1 and BG2 were not really advertised as "all your choices r us" or something. I haven't followed the ME3 development nor read any of the ads, but jeebus it (the banners) was all over the internet on every website, including sites not related to video games at all. If those ads promised some kind of "your choices matter to us", then I can understand the outrage. Maybe ignorance really is bliss sometimes?

Edit to add: As it was, I mostly got the game and played it to satisfy curiosity. The ending was poor, but not worthy of "nerd rage". Biggest disappointment was the feeling of linearity and the lack of party members from ME2 (some of which were infinitely more interesting than the ME1 ones imnsho).




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