Companions and Romance

[BrokenMask]

I think he might become anti traditionalist on route where he chooses to dismantle leaden key? Could be wrong about that, but I'd guess its part of his character development since the first game if he is still anti traditional on "I'm gonna take over leaden key" path

[Aridea]

Also, is it just me or is it really weird that Aloth is "anti-tradition." He is pretty much the opposite of this in POE1. He can't stand newfangled animancy. He shows disgust and indignation when Durance talks about newish technology of firearms supplanting magic. He is sympathetic to the Leaden Key which is basically "we have to maintain the tradition of gods because people will go crazy without them." I really don't get it.

 

He is anti stupid people generally which includes stupid traditions, but I never saw this as him being some sort of iconoclast or something. He's really quite conservative.

 

It looks like it depends on POE1 endgame. If he becomes the leader of Leaden key he sticks to his old beliefe and stays pro-tradition, if he sets out to dismantle them he changes and becomes anti-tradition. Its kinda nice. His "going back to Aedyr" dialogue also changes accordingly and wich of his parents he forgave and was happy to see. 

Edited May 14, 2018 by Aridea

[Ryz009]

 

Also, is it just me or is it really weird that Aloth is "anti-tradition." He is pretty much the opposite of this in POE1. He can't stand newfangled animancy. He shows disgust and indignation when Durance talks about newish technology of firearms supplanting magic. He is sympathetic to the Leaden Key which is basically "we have to maintain the tradition of gods because people will go crazy without them." I really don't get it.

 

He is anti stupid people generally which includes stupid traditions, but I never saw this as him being some sort of iconoclast or something. He's really quite conservative.

 

It looks like it depends on POE1 endgame. If he becomes the leader of Leaden key he sticks to his old beliefe and stays pro-tradition, if he sets out to dismantle them he changes and becomes anti-tradition. Its kinda nice. His "going back to Aedyr" dialogue also changes accordingly and wich of his parents he forgave and was happy to see. 

 

 

He keeps giving me crap for being traditional and he's Leaden Key in my game.

[Ildun]

 

 

Also, is it just me or is it really weird that Aloth is "anti-tradition." He is pretty much the opposite of this in POE1. He can't stand newfangled animancy. He shows disgust and indignation when Durance talks about newish technology of firearms supplanting magic. He is sympathetic to the Leaden Key which is basically "we have to maintain the tradition of gods because people will go crazy without them." I really don't get it.

 

He is anti stupid people generally which includes stupid traditions, but I never saw this as him being some sort of iconoclast or something. He's really quite conservative.

 

It looks like it depends on POE1 endgame. If he becomes the leader of Leaden key he sticks to his old beliefe and stays pro-tradition, if he sets out to dismantle them he changes and becomes anti-tradition. Its kinda nice. His "going back to Aedyr" dialogue also changes accordingly and wich of his parents he forgave and was happy to see. 

 

 

He keeps giving me crap for being traditional and he's Leaden Key in my game.

 

I think whether he is traditionalist or not is depend on he accepted Iselmyr or not. If he accepted than he is anti-traditionalist 

[Aridea]

 

 

 

 

He keeps giving me crap for being traditional and he's Leaden Key in my game.

 

I think whether he is traditionalist or not is depend on he accepted Iselmyr or not. If he accepted than he is anti-traditionalist 

 

 

Ahh he sublimated Iselmyr in mine, maybe thats why...

[Guest Ontarah]

I have him suppressing her so I guess we'll see where it goes. I'm still replaying POE1.

Edited May 14, 2018 by Ontarah

[CaptainBiscuit]

 

I think whether he is traditionalist or not is depend on he accepted Iselmyr or not. If he accepted than he is anti-traditionalist

Nope. He suppessed her in my playthrough, still anti-traditionalist (well, mostly, if you don't count obviously bugged banters :D ).

[Guest Ontarah]

I wonder if it's "suppressed Iselmyr *and* leader of the Leaden Key" that makes him traditionalist? Can anybody confirm that "traditionalist" Aloth even actually exists in Deadfire?

[Aridea]

Okay so I just checked my two games with (suppressed Iselmyr, Pro-Leaden Key) and (accepted Iselmyr, anti-Leaden Key) and Aloth is exactly the same in both of them. He is pro-autonomy and anti-tradition, pro-duty, and pro-benevolent stewardship whatever that means.

So it must be something in the conversation options that people are picking up. I am hesitant to say its a bug, maybe more that its not clear which options correspond to what approach.

[Ryz009]

 

 

 

Also, is it just me or is it really weird that Aloth is "anti-tradition." He is pretty much the opposite of this in POE1. He can't stand newfangled animancy. He shows disgust and indignation when Durance talks about newish technology of firearms supplanting magic. He is sympathetic to the Leaden Key which is basically "we have to maintain the tradition of gods because people will go crazy without them." I really don't get it.

 

He is anti stupid people generally which includes stupid traditions, but I never saw this as him being some sort of iconoclast or something. He's really quite conservative.

 

It looks like it depends on POE1 endgame. If he becomes the leader of Leaden key he sticks to his old beliefe and stays pro-tradition, if he sets out to dismantle them he changes and becomes anti-tradition. Its kinda nice. His "going back to Aedyr" dialogue also changes accordingly and wich of his parents he forgave and was happy to see. 

 

 

He keeps giving me crap for being traditional and he's Leaden Key in my game.

 

I think whether he is traditionalist or not is depend on he accepted Iselmyr or not. If he accepted than he is anti-traditionalist 

 

 

Nope I never keep Iselmyr and he's still anti-traditional.

[Aramintai]

Okay so I just checked my two games with (suppressed Iselmyr, Pro-Leaden Key) and (accepted Iselmyr, anti-Leaden Key) and Aloth is exactly the same in both of them. He is pro-autonomy and anti-tradition, pro-duty, and pro-benevolent stewardship whatever that means.

Well, this in itself looks like a bug - shouldn't he have different dispositions for pro- and anti- Leaden key? 

[Strange_Trees]

Hmm, I've noticed that Tekēhu's first flirty dialog triggers the instant his reputation with the Watcher hits 1. I'm not sure if it's intended, especially since if you pick him up in Neketaka, it's ridiculously easy to get his rep up. Doing that quick little quest for that Huana villager to convince the Valian Trading Co to let go of that contract is enough to do it. In which case, it might be an issue that he just gains rep way too easily?

 

Maia however, does seem to trigger the dialog even at 0 rep with her :/

[Mikeymoonshine]

It's the same with me for aloth, anti traditional with pro and anti leaden key. Makes no sense for a pro leaden key aloth in my opinion.

[Ryz009]

 

Okay so I just checked my two games with (suppressed Iselmyr, Pro-Leaden Key) and (accepted Iselmyr, anti-Leaden Key) and Aloth is exactly the same in both of them. He is pro-autonomy and anti-tradition, pro-duty, and pro-benevolent stewardship whatever that means.

Well, this in itself looks like a bug - shouldn't he have different dispositions for pro- and anti- Leaden key? 

 

 

Yeah it doesn't make much sense. Another bug to the list I suppose.

[Tamyn]

I think pro-Leaden Key pairs with benevolent stewardship and anti-Leaden Key pairs with autonomy. I saw those on saved states I created, not imported. The import function seems to bug out with companions a bit.

[Aridea]

 

Okay so I just checked my two games with (suppressed Iselmyr, Pro-Leaden Key) and (accepted Iselmyr, anti-Leaden Key) and Aloth is exactly the same in both of them. He is pro-autonomy and anti-tradition, pro-duty, and pro-benevolent stewardship whatever that means.

Well, this in itself looks like a bug - shouldn't he have different dispositions for pro- and anti- Leaden key? 

 

 

I'd think so, because if you talk to him about his trip to Aedyr he has different sentiments about which of his parents he understood better. With anti-Leaden Key and Iselmyr he saw his mom and understood that she gave him freedom to solve things on his own. With pro-Leaden Key and no Iselmyr he forgave his dad, which while cruel, still was around. Total polar opposites in terms of disposition.

 

 

 

I think pro-Leaden Key pairs with benevolent stewardship and anti-Leaden Key pairs with autonomy. I saw those on saved states I created, not imported. The import function seems to bug out with companions a bit.

 

 

 

My states are created not imported, and I see both

Edited May 15, 2018 by Aridea

[CENIC]

Finally got Aloth's romance with my Clever Watcher thanks to the exploit (I hope they don't patch that!)

 

It's really cute so far. I like how what he says when you click on him or speak to him changes when you're dating him.

[Aridea]

Hmm, I've noticed that Tekēhu's first flirty dialog triggers the instant his reputation with the Watcher hits 1. I'm not sure if it's intended, especially since if you pick him up in Neketaka, it's ridiculously easy to get his rep up. Doing that quick little quest for that Huana villager to convince the Valian Trading Co to let go of that contract is enough to do it. In which case, it might be an issue that he just gains rep way too easily?

 

Maia however, does seem to trigger the dialog even at 0 rep with her :/

 

 

 

I am still unsure how it works, but some rep hits and gains are higher than others.

It seems like the approval gain for something the companions like is 10-20 points, approval loss is around 30.

Tier for rep 1 is around 50 (? I think) points, and rep 2 is 170. Dialogue gives 2-4, maybe 6 points. I am still unsure on this one. 

 

For example, in the beginning I got Aloth to 8 points through the first dialog and by not telling animancers about him. Then I went to that village next to Part Maje, and when solving the beaten guy quest picked the "traditional" option. Aloth dislikes it so his approval went down to -24, which is like 34 points hit. 

 

Tekehu and Maia both trigger at rep 1, and since the tier is only 50,its  so easy to get them first and so hard to get someone like Aloth. With him it seems he rarely likes anything, but if you say something he dislikes (which is more likely), you'll take an uber hit.

 

Pls take with a grain of salt because I wasn't calculating exact number by number.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Aridea

[Fluffle]

And here we have it, Ladies and Gentlemen!
 
This is what I was speaking of. This is what I was expecting.



Obsidian getting called out for having an AGENDA! No multiple AGENDAS actually! It was only a matter of time.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Fluffle

[rheingold]

And here we have it, Ladies and Gentlemen!

 

This is what I was speaking of. This is what I was expecting.

Obsidian getting called out for having an AGENDA! No multiple AGENDAS actually! It was only a matter of time.

Love it, hopefully all the gamergate/rpg codex/4 chann players are suffering from high blood pressure!

[E.RedMark]

ah sheesh , you should see STEAM lol while here , the biggest topic is saying STEAM review is about Bugs! Steam topic are about AGENDA and forced NUDITY! 

[Zeitzbach]

The heavy SJW and Anti-SJW are such loud minorities. The people in the middle are just playing the game and not bothering to type a reply to them.

 

FLIRTING PACK DLC WHEN? For $2, add 15 different flirt to every companion that can boost their relationship.

[BrokenMask]

I'm currently trying on purpose to get negative -2 reputation to unlock the achievement for berath's boon points, so uh any tips on that?

I might have made mistake with picking the "Everything bad" preset since it sounds like Aloth is easiest one to annoy :D All new companions are kind of hard to annoy because all of them have good sense of humor and only Xoti has three negative biases

 

Anyway on side note with this "only new characters because all old characters are dead" preset, I noticed that Xoti also starts to easily hate Tekehu because she also has negative bias towards irresponsibility and most of Tekehu's interactions with locals in the city are about him hiding from his duty xP

[Zeitzbach]

Xoti can probably be easy if you agree with Eder all the time that Eothas is crap. Tons of Eothas-related dialogue afterall. Just keep saying Eothas is terrible to everyone you meet.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Zeitzbach

[BrokenMask]

Hmm, I should probably try out Temple of Gaun then(since Eder is dead in this preset. This being preset where all companions are dead and Watcher promised to all gods only to use wael's suggestion )