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You know, I don't know why I don't see more of the anti-PC romance people complaining about Gjefa. You know, the sex worker from the Salty Mast who, if you have 19 CON or higher, will be so impressed with your performance that she'll quit her job and move into your quarters at Caed Nua to have sex with you as much as you want for free for the rest of her life.

 

Pretty sure she's treated as a hireling so you still have to "pay" her.

 

Basically a take out prostitute. 

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Personally, I think single-target sexuality is fine. Although that should be backed up by something. Not “fate plot demands it” but character should match other’s expectations somewhat if not perfectly. Although if everyone and their mom are doing it some verisimilitudes might be broken (I lost mine somewhere, though).

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You know, I don't know why I don't see more of the anti-PC romance people complaining about Gjefa. You know, the sex worker from the Salty Mast who, if you have 19 CON or higher, will be so impressed with your performance that she'll quit her job and move into your quarters at Caed Nua to have sex with you as much as you want for free for the rest of her life.

 

I suppose I would have if I was aware of it. That sounds stupid.

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You know, I don't know why I don't see more of the anti-PC romance people complaining about Gjefa. You know, the sex worker from the Salty Mast who, if you have 19 CON or higher, will be so impressed with your performance that she'll quit her job and move into your quarters at Caed Nua to have sex with you as much as you want for free for the rest of her life.

 

What!? Is that true? People don't complain becaues they don't know!!

 

I mean, hookers are kind of a waste of money in RPGs, so who actually tests this stuff?

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/BatxdgU.jpg

 

I hope you can save Gjefa at the start of Deadfire, if you recruited her. She deserves better.

 

 

Save her from yourself?

 

Anyway if they have a romance that is this obscure I don't think any of us would complain. 

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sorry if I am starting a controversial topic. my idea is not to get a flame war started, but I am interested in knowing what is obsidian position to companion sexuality. I would personally like if it was independent of. the player's choice in character. that is a companion will be attracted to a given gender and race regardless of who the player choose as a main character.

 

I think that if the NPC is going to be a fully-fledged character, they have to have their own interests and attractions - including those of sex and romance.  That's not to say that an NPC can't exist who is up for anything, but that has to be part of their character from the begining of their creation, not something tacked on at the end to ensure that every player choice gets a romance (the validation of player choice is just as strong in being denied something due to your choices as it is by achieving something, a thing that often times is forgotten by creators and players all the time).

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Damn you people, This new information about Gjefa has made me want to create a new Dwarven Love-Machine with natural 19 CON. Actually, I think that concept might warrant an NPC in the game. Now where was that Dwarven Companion Recovery Front....

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sorry if I am starting a controversial topic. my idea is not to get a flame war started, but I am interested in knowing what is obsidian position to companion sexuality. I would personally like if it was independent of. the player's choice in character. that is a companion will be attracted to a given gender and race regardless of who the player choose as a main character.

 

also I've notice that many of the female companions are not really conventionally atractive. pallegina being the exception, but with a very unattractive personality. perhaps a more conventionally attractive female character would be aappropriate for our mostly male player base.

 

Let's call her Fade Toblack...

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I'm not very thrilled by the idea of having romance in PoE, to say the least. In video games, especially RPGs like PoE, everything works around the obtacle/reward dynamic. Thus "seducing" a companion tend to look a lot like going to the grocery store where you can get immediatly what you want for the right investment. This is awkward at best and often plain wrong (see the aformentioned prostitute thing).

 

One of the reasons I play those difficult niche games is because I don't want to waste any more hours of my life playing those hollow power-fantasies AAA games. Difficulty and learning are fun ; having the entire world designed to indulge your every whim is not once you're a grown-up.

 

Also, about designing a character made to please the male audience : no. Just no.

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You know, I don't know why I don't see more of the anti-PC romance people complaining about Gjefa. You know, the sex worker from the Salty Mast who, if you have 19 CON or higher, will be so impressed with your performance that she'll quit her job and move into your quarters at Caed Nua to have sex with you as much as you want for free for the rest of her life.

What!? Is that true? People don't complain becaues they don't know!!

 

I mean, hookers are kind of a waste of money in RPGs, so who actually tests this stuff?

http://i.imgur.com/BatxdgU.jpg

 

I hope you can save Gjefa at the start of Deadfire, if you recruited her. She deserves better.

Save her from yourself?

 

Anyway if they have a romance that is this obscure I don't think any of us would complain.

I meant eothas stomping around nomming on souls. I doubt anyone besides you and the Stewart walk away but I hope you can save the named characters that live there like Gjefa and Korgak.

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I meant eothas stomping around nomming on souls. I doubt anyone besides you and the Stewart walk away but I hope you can save the named characters that live there like Gjefa and Korgak.

 

 

lol, Micamo, you're such a big softie ;)

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 I saw games getting ruined because of "romance" - if you think that romance is just sex...- and I saw games getting better because of it. I never played The Witcher 3 because everything that I hear from that game is, "which bitch shall I bang?" and that is it... Dragon Age Inquisition is just an awfull game that didn't know how to handle romance right, with the exception of Harding, every single romance feel rushed, it feels like they want to give sex to the main character as soon as possible... talking about sex... Mass Effect is just a sex simulator now, the trailers are out and people are preoccupied with the appearence of the team, one of the comments from the trailers: 'There was a Bioware dev. meeting with fans two years before, in that meeting one SJW girl stood up and asked the developers to make the female characters literally ugly and 'thick'. Seems like Bioware took it to the heart."  when your game community attracts people with this type of thoughts... that is when you know you destroyed your game...

BUT, you have some games with great romance options, like Dragon Age Origins, I don't know about you guys but for me all of the romances in that game felt natural and, the most important, felt right towards the character personality.

TL;DR: It's important that the romance don't get in the way, that the best thing about the game is the combat, the lore or the story and not if you can bang someone or not... oh... by the way, Xoti is not beautiful to you? Why? Well... maybe it's because your culture is different. The culture of your country really dictates what you like and don't like.

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The story of Gjefa is so inspiring.

I wonder...

 

Maybe Ydwin could be former escort. Escorts could be rouge to.

That is one way to make money, safer and more legal than pickpocketing.

Whore with heart of gold is troopy, but so is offspring of very important lord.

If we make fun of her past, she will insta leave party and leave some angry zombies for us to remember.

 

BTW: Freckles, we need more freckles. Maybe Xoti can get some. She is from sunland.

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Nah, I've never encountered any character in fiction that was or is a sex worker that didnt come off as patronizing, condescending, or over the top. It is a profession that most people have next to no clue stress of. I do volunteer work at a shelter in my home town, and some of the stories are in equal parts horrifying, hilarious, and heartbreaking.

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Yeah, sex workers are hard to write well. And while all writing makes use of tropes, I'm hoping the writers go really light on romance tropes for the characters who can be romanced or who like Ydwin seem to attract a lot of players' romantic attention. It's easy for the tropes plus the romance to overwhelm the character and leave little there for someone who doesn't find the character attractive or doesn't like romances generally. That's not such a big deal if there are loads of companions and the dating sim one can be easily ignored, but with only eight, it makes things rough on everyone else.

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 I saw games getting ruined because of "romance" - if you think that romance is just sex...- and I saw games getting better because of it. I never played The Witcher 3 because everything that I hear from that game is, "which bitch shall I bang?" and that is it... Dragon Age Inquisition is just an awfull game that didn't know how to handle romance right, with the exception of Harding, every single romance feel rushed, it feels like they want to give sex to the main character as soon as possible... talking about sex... Mass Effect is just a sex simulator now, the trailers are out and people are preoccupied with the appearence of the team, one of the comments from the trailers: 'There was a Bioware dev. meeting with fans two years before, in that meeting one SJW girl stood up and asked the developers to make the female characters literally ugly and 'thick'. Seems like Bioware took it to the heart."  when your game community attracts people with this type of thoughts... that is when you know you destroyed your game...

 

BUT, you have some games with great romance options, like Dragon Age Origins, I don't know about you guys but for me all of the romances in that game felt natural and, the most important, felt right towards the character personality.

 

TL;DR: It's important that the romance don't get in the way, that the best thing about the game is the combat, the lore or the story and not if you can bang someone or not... oh... by the way, Xoti is not beautiful to you? Why? Well... maybe it's because your culture is different. The culture of your country really dictates what you like and don't like.

Exactly!!!

 

For me Ydwin is very pretty... She's a very attractive. A pretty good looking face!

 

Where you are from? Why Xoti is beautiful to you?

 

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Do you suppose somewhere in Eora there's an equivalent of the Greek god Eros? I wonder what appearance his or her godlike would possess? Maybe giant phallic symbols? Maybe some work as religious sexual companions to "spread" the word. Perhaps their knowledge resembles that of the Deltans in Star Trek, as epitomized by Ilia in the 1979 Star Trek movie? It would make for an interesting interaction.

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Do you suppose somewhere in Eora there's an equivalent of the Greek god Eros? I wonder what appearance his or her godlike would possess? Maybe giant phallic symbols? Maybe some work as religious sexual companions to "spread" the word. Perhaps their knowledge resembles that of the Deltans in Star Trek, as epitomized by Ilia in the 1979 Star Trek movie? It would make for an interesting interaction.

The closest would be Ondra, given her whole moon romance thing. Though what you seem to be thinking of matches up more with  Priapus, a god you should never google at work

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Do you suppose somewhere in Eora there's an equivalent of the Greek god Eros? I wonder what appearance his or her godlike would possess? Maybe giant phallic symbols? Maybe some work as religious sexual companions to "spread" the word. Perhaps their knowledge resembles that of the Deltans in Star Trek, as epitomized by Ilia in the 1979 Star Trek movie? It would make for an interesting interaction.

Maybe some form of Apex race, could come in many shapes to reproduce with anyone. And have some ilusion powers to trap victims in miasma of their own desires.

There are more like monster race. The goal is to polute whole Eora with just one race (that is a bit Nazi)

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I don't know why, but I've always found romance in games to be at worst lewd and cringeworthy, and at best soppy and cheesy.

 

I don't think I've yet to play a game where I've enjoyed companion relationships, and I've played a lot: all the mass effects, all the dragon ages, all the witchers, and probably a dozen more that I've forgotten about, and not one have I thought was particularly well handled.

 

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying I hope that Josh and the team appreciate the difficulty of the task at hand. However, I do have faith that with enough time and care, that they just might get the job done right.

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