Gfted1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Has that number doubled or tripled since last weeks conversation? That would not surprise me in the least, next week it will be a double digit reduction! "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 am hesitant to ask. *shrug* which numbers from last week are you comparing? HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gfted1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 am hesitant to ask. *shrug* which numbers from last week are you comparing? HA! Good Fun! World pledges to save "mother Earth". See, everything's cool. The World Meteorological Organization estimated that U.S. withdrawal from the emissions-cutting accord could add 0.3 degrees Celsius to global temperatures by the end of the century in a worst-case scenario. 0.3 degrees in the next 87 years! We think! Oh noes! "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Wrath of Dagon Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Paris agreement was a complete scam, and wouldn't have resulted in anything except damaging the US economy if we were stupid enough to follow through: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/05/the-madness-of-the-parisagreement-on-climate/ The EU emissions have gone up btw. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 am hesitant to ask. *shrug* which numbers from last week are you comparing? HA! Good Fun! World pledges to save "mother Earth". See, everything's cool. The World Meteorological Organization estimated that U.S. withdrawal from the emissions-cutting accord could add 0.3 degrees Celsius to global temperatures by the end of the century in a worst-case scenario. 0.3 degrees in the next 87 years! We think! Oh noes! ... you can't possible be reading the numbers as representing identical outcomes. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gfted1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 No. Thats why I asked: "Has that number doubled or tripled since last weeks conversation?" "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 No. Thats why I asked: "Has that number doubled or tripled since last weeks conversation?" what was .3 a measure of? what is .6 to 1.1 a measure of? not need Gromnir to explain. you already commented 'bout .3 so you should know what the .3 were referencing, yes? the answer to what "0.6 to 1.1 C" represents is clear stated in the relatively brief quote we included from the scientific american article. our post. is not same stuff being measured. why would you even think such were possible? 'cause is numbers and is related to climate? HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gfted1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Ah, so now the increase will be .9 to 1.4C. That was exhausting. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) Ah, so now the increase will be .9 to 1.4C. That was exhausting. ... am genuine wondering if our leg is being pulled. .6 to 1.1C were an estimate o' reduction o' the expected global increase as 'posed to the expected global increase. HA! Good Fun! ps added gif... 'cause. Edited June 6, 2017 by Gromnir 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gfted1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Right, but now with the US pulling out the reduction is reduced and we need to add the .3 back in. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 Right, but now with the US pulling out the reduction is reduced and we need to add the .3 back in. gonna keep doing this 'til am certain. you need to subtract, not add. you subtract from the estimated reduction, 'cause you do not know what is the estimated increase. 'cause gifted hasn't bothered to check, all you know is: A) amount of global warming due to US if they exit the Paris Agreement. B) the amount global warming will be lessened by the Paris Agreement. from A and B you do not know the projected amount of global warming anticipated with or w/o the Paris Agreement. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gfted1 Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 I suppose its my own fault for engaging, fool me 5472943049297 times I guess... ...with total compliance from all nations... ...could lower the expected temperature increase by 0.6 to 1.1 C. The World Meteorological Organization estimated that U.S. withdrawal from the emissions-cutting accord could add 0.3 degrees Celsius to global temperatures by the end of the century in a worst-case scenario. So since the US is no longer in the accord, add 0.3. Add 0.3 to the mythical expected temperature increase of 0.6 to 1.1 and you get the result of a expected temperature increase of 0.9 to 1.4C. You can just forget I asked you a question. Ill wait ands see if someone else circles back to answer. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) I suppose its my own fault for engaging, fool me 5472943049297 times I guess... ...with total compliance from all nations... ...could lower the expected temperature increase by 0.6 to 1.1 C. The World Meteorological Organization estimated that U.S. withdrawal from the emissions-cutting accord could add 0.3 degrees Celsius to global temperatures by the end of the century in a worst-case scenario. So since the US is no longer in the accord, add 0.3. So add that 0.3 to the mythical expected temperature increase of 0.6 to 1.1 and you get the result of a expected temperature increase of 0.9 to 1.4C. You can just forget I asked you a question. Ill wait ands see if someone else circles back to answer. where do you see .6 to 1.1 as the expected temp increase under the paris agreement? "In fact, the MIT research to which the president referred showed that the Paris Agreement could lower the expected temperature increase by 0.6 to 1.1 C." the overall global increase with Paris goals met is indeed mythical given the info you have available. you know potential reduction with or w/o US, but you don't know "the expected temperature increase." subtract. is not add. ... *shrug* leave as-is. you are reading a projected decrease of the expected increase as the increase itself. Edited June 6, 2017 by Gromnir 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Zoraptor Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) I suppose its my own fault for engaging, fool me 5472943049297 times I guess... The two figures are measuring different things. 0.3 degrees = difference from US pulling out only 0.6-1.1 degree = difference if everyone pulled out/ there was no agreement. This includes the US contribution, it doesn't exclude it. This is where you are making the mistake. Trump is wrong because he has used the first figure and stated it as representing the second data set. If he'd stated that 0.2 degrees was the difference for the US pulling out he'd be correct (enough), but he said it was the figure for if the agreement didn't exist at all, which is incorrect. The new expected difference is 0.4 to 0.8 reduction per (0.6-0.2) to (1.1-0.3). (All simple case, statistically it's a bit more complicated than that) Edited June 6, 2017 by Zoraptor 1
Wrath of Dagon Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Apparently the higher number includes all planned remediation strategies, not just the Paris Agreement. Also depends whose numbers you believe: https://judithcurry.com/2015/11/09/lomborg-impact-of-current-climate-proposals/ "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Gromnir Posted June 6, 2017 Author Posted June 6, 2017 https://www.climateinteractive.org/insights/response-to-white-house-talking-points-on-paris-agreement/ perhaps use of actual link helps best. business as usual = 4.2C increase by 2100 Paris Agreement = 3.3C increase by 2100 (mit, for purposes of graph, settled 'pon .9 'stead of range from .6 to 1.1... otherwise would see 3.1 to 3.6C) take US out of agreement and the numbers would skew upwards by .3C, yes? 3.4 to 3.9C. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Valsuelm Posted June 6, 2017 Posted June 6, 2017 Are you guys seriously arguing over projected temperature increases? Really? You're that plugged inside the box? 1
Gromnir Posted June 7, 2017 Author Posted June 7, 2017 Are you guys seriously arguing over projected temperature increases? Really? You're that plugged inside the box? something in the water today? can't get anybody to pay attention. TRUMP offered numbers which he claimed were the impact Paris Agreement would have on projected temp increases. he did so in a televised speech. TRUMP wh claimed the mitigation numbers the President offered came from MIT. unfortunate for trump, MIT refuted the alternative facts with the actual numbers they had provided. nobody here has actual argued the projected temp increase. serious folks, wth is going on today? HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Bartimaeus Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 [thread title] 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Gromnir Posted July 13, 2017 Author Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) been too long. could be daily updates, but have been too numbed by the new normal. in any event, alternative math is getting trump into trouble with the cbo... and yellen offered a mild rebuke as well. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/congressional-budget-office-casts-doubt-on-trump-spending-plan/ar-BBEmw6w?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/yellen-lauds-trump-s-3-growth-goal-cast-doubt-it-s-achievable btw, trump's off-the-record comments 'bout his wall, which angered him 'cause such comments weren't reported, were likely best left off-the record. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/trump-s-plan-for-his-border-wall-gets-shorter-and-see-through “It could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall,” Trump said. “As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them -- they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over.” ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo HA! Good Fun! Edited July 13, 2017 by Gromnir 3 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Leferd Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Well...I mean, a hit from 60 pounds of dope can conceivably kill you. "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle
SonicMage117 Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Alternative Facts: Things that are common sense but nobody either wants to admit or care enough to acknowledge as fact. It's one of those things where you continue to live in denial until something drastic in your life opens your eyes, the edge of death is usually what it takes to see things in that different perspective. Isn't it? Of course those are not my words but it does make sense. Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail...
Junai Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Trump is perfect.. after a few years, even Cotton Eye Joe will be begging for another politically correct Washington puppet. Edited July 26, 2017 by Junai
Leferd Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 The whole Seth Rich episode was just distasteful. http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715/lawsuit-alleges-fox-news-and-trump-supporter-created-fake-news-story 1 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle
Gfted1 Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Here’s a way to silence Trump on Twitter: Buy the microblogging service. Bwahahaha, this is the problem with living in a world of perpetual pant-crapping, now you have to take everything to 11 just to get a reaction. "Hmpf, Ill buy controlling interest in the company (at everyone elses expense of course) just to kick him off!" *stomps foot* Oh lawdy, what a world! 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
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