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Maybe the idea of UK MPs trying to do work, scares him? Though they can't be THAT bad.

 

I can understand skepticism towards them. As it seems that nobody has plan what to do now, not even people organized referendum in first place or people that campaigned for this result.

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Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

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Maybe the idea of UK MPs trying to do work, scares him? Though they can't be THAT bad.

I can understand skepticism towards them. As it seems that nobody has plan what to do now, not even people organized referendum in first place or people that campaigned for this result.

Kind of funny at this point.

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.@andylevy a British version of John Oliver would be a nightly BBC show with Larry the Cable Guy talking about how bad Britain sucks

 

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The future is on the wrong side of history.

 

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Holy crap, we've raised an entire generation who are terrified of not being ruled over.

 

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Let's all pray that Britain doesn't descend into Norwegian or Swiss-style anarchy

 

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.@jpodhoretz these Brexit people with their paranoid delusions of an anti-democratic EU are obviously too crazy to be allowed to vote.

 

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If history teaches us anything, Germany only has Britain's best interests at heart.

 

 

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Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them

 

To be part of the UK  should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to  stay 

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Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them

 

To be part of the UK  should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to  stay 

 

 

Same like South Africa right? xD

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Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them

 

To be part of the UK  should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to  stay

You can't possibly blame Scotland for feeling this way when their result on the Referendum was 62% for Remain

 

If there's any reason to separate, I'd say the disagreement on the sudden decision to tear down many decades of partnerships and mutual agreements and lessening your buying power from being part of a big block, is good enough reason for it.

 

Are you against Scotland holding another, say, referendum, about leaving UK? #Sexit

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Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them

 

To be part of the UK  should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to  stay 

 

 

Don't you live in country that fought their way out from British(English) rule?

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Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them

 

To be part of the UK  should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to  stay 

 

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In my opinion its because most of our spineless lapdog politicians were useful sock puppets for the USAs interests in Europe, a foothold in the door so to speak and an ally amongst what may be a future enemy.

 

 

It is not in the people of the U.S.A.'s interest for the EU to even exist. Obama and Hillary supporting 'remain' has nothing to do with furthering the interests of the people of the U.S.A., nor is near anything else they ever do or say.

 

 

But the EU does exist and having an ally within it who is easily influenced to support the USAs position is desirable.

 

Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

 

Hardly unexpected, the Auld Alliance is still remembered both sides of the borders. There is enough bad blood between the Scots and English (for good reason) that the large proportion of Scots who want closer integration with Europe, as a buffer against Westminster rule, is warranted.

 

With North Sea oil drying up and the Scottish favouring EU integration I think most Englishmen would think it only fair for Scotland to have another referendum, though obviously this would be a deciding vote for a good while.

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Too bad British progs can't do what American progs always do, just go to court and have any popular vote they don't like nullified.

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https://ricochet.com/the-new-rules-of-democracy-there-are-no-rules-just-give-me-what-i-want/

 

Too bad British progs can't do what American progs always do, just go to court and have any popular vote they don't like nullified.

 

Big part of western democracies is the laws that prevent majority taking rights from minorities. Things like constitutional rights depend heavily on such systems. And democracy is constantly living thing that don't stop in singular vote but continuously evolve through series of votes and even if you lose one vote you continue to argue for values/things/laws that you think are best for society so that society can reflect them again in next vote and so on until end of time. Meaning that there isn't anything that is set in stone in democratic society but only things that society at any given point of time thinks are rules they as collectively accept to abide by.  

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^Ive been waiting for some jackass organization to tie it up in litigation for the next decade. Brits cant do that? Good for them. :thumbsup:

No, they have no Supreme Court, the Parliament is supreme. Of course we can't be sure what the Parliament will do when all is said and done.

 

 

 

https://ricochet.com/the-new-rules-of-democracy-there-are-no-rules-just-give-me-what-i-want/

 

Too bad British progs can't do what American progs always do, just go to court and have any popular vote they don't like nullified.

 

Big part of western democracies is the laws that prevent majority taking rights from minorities. Things like constitutional rights depend heavily on such systems. And democracy is constantly living thing that don't stop in singular vote but continuously evolve through series of votes and even if you lose one vote you continue to argue for values/things/laws that you think are best for society so that society can reflect them again in next vote and so on until end of time. Meaning that there isn't anything that is set in stone in democratic society but only things that society at any given point of time thinks are rules they as collectively accept to abide by.

 

That only works when the courts actually follow the law, not substitute their own opinions for the law. http://joshblackman.com/blog/2015/11/29/posner-the-14th-amendment-is-old-cryptic-or-vague-but-what-about-article-iii/ Edited by Wrath of Dagon
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Although funny enough, the First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been very active over the weekend, exploring options to keep Scotland in EU with or without England

Yes this is true, for some reason Scotland has always been very ungrateful IMO to what England has done for them

 

To be part of the UK  should be celebrated yet many Scottish people resent the UK, you almost want to tell Scotland " fine leave the UK " but Scotland is very relevant and important contributor towards the UK so we want them to  stay 

 

 

Don't you live in country that fought their way out from British(English) rule?

 

No I'm English but I'm South African English and most of us have  ties to the UK

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The Boris Johnsson-look is sure making its way through all spheres of society.

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"Don't you live in country that fought their way out from British(English) rule?"

 

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Hm. Would be interesting if the MPs' surgeries affected this.

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Brexit: Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

 

We will leave EU, but on hindsight how about only half us leave and half will stay.

 

But it sounds interesting arrangement, where country's central government is out of EU but its semi autonomic regions will stay in. Arrangements that are other way, aren't that uncommon in EU, but this kind arrangement would be quite interesting to see if it could work. 

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Brexit: Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

 

We will leave EU, but on hindsight how about only half us leave and half will stay.

 

But it sounds interesting arrangement, where country's central government is out of EU but its semi autonomic regions will stay in. Arrangements that are other way, aren't that uncommon in EU, but this kind arrangement would be quite interesting to see if it could work. 

 

That sounds like that lukewarm british kind of way most of us know :p

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- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

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"Don't you live in country that fought their way out from British(English) rule?"

 

Bruce has proud Imperial ancestry, being a direct descendant of Cecil Rhodes.

Yes of course I'm proud of my British legacy. I know the British did some questionable and cruel things in there empire. We accept this of course but the British did more good than bad and they often unfairly judged 

 

And of course what matters  the most is what they like now? And thats an easy one to answer, they considered a real success story

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Late to the party but better late than never. I didn't see it coming. I thought that even push come to shove, they'd rig it to stay in since it was destined to be close. 

 

American interests in Europe took a stab in the gut with this. No longer will the UK be able to influence European foreign policy (such as it was) to the same extent.

 

As for the EU, the unthinkable has become thinkable. Grexit would have been a nuisance, the eventual economic collapse of Spain and Italy an even bigger one but this is a critical hit. 

 

If the present course of the economy and refugee crisis continues, the France is the next significant weak link. The current government will never organize a referendum but an FN one might and Le Pen's chances were never as good as they are now. That is admittedly, the most extreme scenario - but if it came to pass and succeed the EU would be gone overnight.

 

Even if it doesn't happen, there is nothing but the problems ahead. A clever politician would use this opportunity to patch up things with Russia, now that the key anti-Russian player is as good as gone (Erdogan certainly is, for some reason). I wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

Cameron possibly the biggest political loser in 21st century history so far. From "a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel" to a zero and loser overnight.  

I don't expect them to flip it somehow. The political fallout is so bad already I can't see a reversal happening. 

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Late to the party but better late than never. I didn't see it coming. I thought that even push come to shove, they'd rig it to stay in since it was destined to be close. 

 

American interests in Europe took a stab in the gut with this. No longer will the UK be able to influence European foreign policy (such as it was) to the same extent.

 

As for the EU, the unthinkable has become thinkable. Grexit would have been a nuisance, the eventual economic collapse of Spain and Italy an even bigger one but this is a critical hit. 

 

If the present course of the economy and refugee crisis continues, the France is the next significant weak link. The current government will never organize a referendum but an FN one might and Le Pen's chances were never as good as they are now. That is admittedly, the most extreme scenario - but if it came to pass and succeed the EU would be gone overnight.

 

Even if it doesn't happen, there is nothing but the problems ahead. A clever politician would use this opportunity to patch up things with Russia, now that the key anti-Russian player is as good as gone (Erdogan certainly is, for some reason). I wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

Cameron possibly the biggest political loser in 21st century history so far. From "a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel" to a zero and loser overnight.  

I don't expect them to flip it somehow. The political fallout is so bad already I can't see a reversal happening. 

Why would you possibly say Cameron is a loser? You dont understand the reality

 

Cameron promised the UK he would have this referendum, he kept his word and he understandably stepped down when Brexit won, he isn't required to now navigate the UK exit

 

He is a man of his word and he has integrity, do you see that as a weakness?

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"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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