Leferd Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Look, the Clintons have street cred with minority communities. Victimized groups have long memories and the Clintons built up a lot of equity through their past deeds. Bill in particular knows and understands Black America. He knows the poor. For all his moral lapses, Bill Clinton comes across as genuine in his commitment to public service. Bill Clinton is also the best politician in the modern era. He understands how to get elected and how to run a government. Throwing all useless cyncism aside, the Clintons aren't Machiavellian schemers whose endgame is to rule for the sake of maintaining power. Hillary's not nearly as likable or charming as slick Willy, but I believe her commitment to public service is as strong as Bill's. Sanders is also genuine in his commitment to public service on behalf of the poor. But he'd make a terrible President for the sheer fact that he won't be able to get much done. He's a zealot, similar to Cruz and other Tea Party candidates, and zealots are just bad for Washington. Realist > Idealist. The Clintons at the very least have history and know how to make things happen despite a hostile legislature. There will be a waiting cadre of experienced and talented staffers and Cabinet members to make the administration work. And I think a lot of Hillary's intangability for the population really comes down to how her campaign portrays her. I've said it before, and will say it again, her experiance makes everything she says (unless she's caught almost totally off guard) come off as prepared. So people don't like her because her speeches are prepared ? You also support her Calax...sorry I forgot No, people dislike her because she's to prepared. She's to perfectly political for them. They don't know that she'll do anything she says because she seems like she'd prefer to say what's correct (for her audience) vs what she thinks is actually right. That's where Sanders and Trump are scoring points, they don't care about traditional politics as they were, so they don't care that their ideas might not test well with men 18-45 (or whatever) but they still stick by them. Hillary has been in politics so long that she comes off as incredibly focus tested and always with the most political answer for her audience. Well put! I think this is where Hillary lacks Bill's political and communication skills. Bill can think quickly on his feet better than Hillary and it's pretty rare that he's going to be caught off guard. He can explain policy and nuance and make you believe it like no one else can. 2 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle
Guard Dog Posted February 7, 2016 Author Posted February 7, 2016 Plus as you already pointed out, Bill is charismatic and likeable. Hillary is none of those things. Far from it. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Calax Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 I will back up Hillary in that I think she would end up being very good as an executive, and she'd end up carrying out and following on her personal agenda rather than what's politic. But because she's doing the politics on the road she's losing points. The other part of it is that I think most of what would happen in a Clinton 2 presidency, is that Hillary would use Bill to push her agenda. And it's not like they have a vastly different political outlook or goals, it's just that Bill's got the ability to speak and the Charisma to pull things together, while Hillary sets the agenda and figures out what she can get going. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off.
ShadySands Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) I'm a minority and all the other minority democrats I talk to prefer voting Clinton > Sanders. Me too but my minority dem friends prefer Sanders Most of my family and friends live on the coasts --California (North and South), Washington D.C., NYC, Philadelphia, Oregon. A few were Sun Devil and Wildcat graduates though. They're conservative though. Go Cats! Arizona is pretty conservative also excepting the area that I'm from which is blue and honestly a bit hipstery. Most of the people I know and hang out with in Denver aren't even from the US and tend to lean leftish. That said, the older crowd in my family does swing heavily in favor of Clinton but pretty much everyone I know around my age or younger that would* vote blue supports Bernie. *Had to add this because probably about half of my old military buddies would never vote Democrat no matter what**. Straight party line voters pretty much. **Though some of them hate Hillary so much that it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility that they would vote for Bernie now and the Republican nominee after Edited February 7, 2016 by ShadySands Free games updated 3/4/21
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Guys supporting the Democrats on this thread there are two things I wish I feel sometimes I am part of your group and I can also vote ...but then I realize I can't vote and its just a dream Don't you guys wish GD would vote Democrat ...I feel bad that he isn't part of our group If the Democrats win, Sanders or Hilary, are we allowed to invite GD to the Internet forum party "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
ShadySands Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Sorry Bruce, but I'm actually really glad that it's not an echo chamber in here Edited February 7, 2016 by ShadySands 2 Free games updated 3/4/21
HoonDing Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Things might get better in the USA, but things'll only get worse for the rest of the world. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Elerond Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 I must say that Hillary is consistent in her politics1, even though it isn't necessary consistence that brings her support from people. Although her war stories seem to be effected by same thing that effects most war stories, they become bigger and more dramatic every time one tells them. 1 She consistently support politics that are supported by her party or interest groups behind her.
Volourn Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Hilary Clinton is just another Trump. Evil to the core with absolutely no morals. It says alot that I think her cheating husband has more morals than her. He was also a pretty darn good president. She would be a terrible one. If it is her vs Trump, everyone loses. L0L DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
HoonDing Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Women are the worse evil. http://www.timefornews.nl/171715_female-farc-rebels-are-the-worst-if-you-are-captured-you-pray-it-is-by-men Wouldn't vote for one even with a gun to my head. Edited February 8, 2016 by HoonDing The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
BruceVC Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Things might get better in the USA, but things'll only get worse for the rest of the world. Not really, what do mean the " things'll only get worse for the rest of the world." You not suggesting things in the EU are going to be worse? In what way? While you considering what is getting worse let me tell you what is getting worse. emerging markets like South Africa and the Middle East. But this is due to the oil price and the Chinese economy restructuring ....so I am genuinely interested in what you think is so bad? I am really irritated by the Chinese and there false friendship towards Africa "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "Because the Democrats believe in supporting the middle class and also supporting minorities ." L0L That's baloney. Demos like Liberals are about ENSLAVING the middle class and minorities. They NEED them to feel bad about their spots in life because the worse they feel the more they want gov't to babysit them. Demos WANT blacks to whine about Oscars being 'too white' while holding their own racist black focused awards. LMAO DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Hilary Clinton is just another Trump. Evil to the core with absolutely no morals. It says alot that I think her cheating husband has more morals than her. He was also a pretty darn good president. She would be a terrible one. If it is her vs Trump, everyone loses. L0L Volo thats very offensive....its sexist ? I watched an interview on CNN with your prime minister. I was very impressed, he is intelligent and sincere and really seems to care about creating a better society. He convinced me and I would proudly support him "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
aluminiumtrioxid Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 http://www.timefornews.nl/171715_female-farc-rebels-are-the-worst-if-you-are-captured-you-pray-it-is-by-men The rebels hold there than among themselves loving relationships after, according to a report from 2014 by the BBC must FARC women who become pregnant are forced abortion. "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
Malcador Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Always some new low in that war. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Zoraptor Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 And I think a lot of Hillary's intangability for the population really comes down to how her campaign portrays her. I've said it before, and will say it again, her experiance makes everything she says (unless she's caught almost totally off guard) come off as prepared. I'd say that's the problem with being the 'establishment' candidate rather than being experienced as Rubio has much the same problem and he's certainly a lot less experienced than Hillary. There's a whole lot of baggage being the anointed one, not least that that position usually requires a lot of overt pandering to vested interests. The funny thing is that being prepared (or experienced) is hardly a sin, indeed it's genuinely a trait you'd want in a leader and there are ways in which to deal with criticism for being over prepared- which Rubio failed epically at last night- if you are able to vary the script on the fly when necessary. But, what might broadly be called 'likeability' was also the problem Hillary had last time and the comparison to Obama in that regard probably cost her the nomination then.
Volourn Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "Volo thats very offensive....its sexist ?" How is it sexist? She is a piece of crap like Trump. So.. it is sexist to call her a piece of crap but noto call Trump a piece of crap? btw, our new PM is also a piece of crap. He got voted in because he is 'hot' and 'charismatic'. He is a liar and a scumbag tool. Only a moronic fool would support him or vote for him., DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "Volo thats very offensive....its sexist ?" How is it sexist? She is a piece of crap like Trump. So.. it is sexist to call her a piece of crap but noto call Trump a piece of crap? btw, our new PM is also a piece of crap. He got voted in because he is 'hot' and 'charismatic'. He is a liar and a scumbag tool. Only a moronic fool would support him or vote for him., Trump is a rude, offensive and arrogant demagogue. You can't seriously compare him to how Hilary conducts herself? Yes he is very charismatic but lets give your fellow Canadians some credit, he believes in a better economy and better overall life for all Canadians. He is very convincing so why wouldnt you vote for him...I listened to his interview, he is not a fool Compare him to Trump.....you Canadians seem to be an unpatriotic bunch? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "he believes in a better economy and better overall life for all Canadians" No, he doesn't. he doesn't give a crap about Kanadians. Yes, Trump, Hilary, and Trudeau are all the same pile of scum. They are anti freedom and believe in slavery. Not cool. Accusing me of being 'unpatriotic' because I am anti slavery and oppose a politician is HILARIOUS. Since when is being 'patriotic' mean sucking the **** of some politician? LMAO My country is awesome but in spite of scumbags like that not because of. CAPICHE!?! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Guard Dog Posted February 8, 2016 Author Posted February 8, 2016 Guys supporting the Democrats on this thread there are two things I wish I feel sometimes I am part of your group and I can also vote ...but then I realize I can't vote and its just a dream Don't you guys wish GD would vote Democrat ...I feel bad that he isn't part of our group If the Democrats win, Sanders or Hilary, are we allowed to invite GD to the Internet forum party Well if the Democrats abandon the whole "The Government is your God & Master" thing and actually starts respecting individual liberty again I'll vote for them. They are a long, long way from that right now. And heading farther away everyday. The Republicans are not much better but when the choices are between bad and very bad, bad wins every time. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
BruceVC Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "he believes in a better economy and better overall life for all Canadians" No, he doesn't. he doesn't give a crap about Kanadians. Yes, Trump, Hilary, and Trudeau are all the same pile of scum. They are anti freedom and believe in slavery. Not cool. Accusing me of being 'unpatriotic' because I am anti slavery and oppose a politician is HILARIOUS. Since when is being 'patriotic' mean sucking the **** of some politician? LMAO My country is awesome but in spite of scumbags like that not because of. CAPICHE!?! No because you are dismissing the views of large numbers of Canadians, Trudeau won a majority. In other words why do you feel you are better than all those people? I would still say its unpatriotic and very arrogant If he narrowly won then I would say you have a point ...but he didn't "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Elerond Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "he believes in a better economy and better overall life for all Canadians" No, he doesn't. he doesn't give a crap about Kanadians. Yes, Trump, Hilary, and Trudeau are all the same pile of scum. They are anti freedom and believe in slavery. Not cool. Accusing me of being 'unpatriotic' because I am anti slavery and oppose a politician is HILARIOUS. Since when is being 'patriotic' mean sucking the **** of some politician? LMAO My country is awesome but in spite of scumbags like that not because of. CAPICHE!?! No because you are dismissing the views of large numbers of Canadians, Trudeau won a majority. In other words why do you feel you are better than all those people? I would still say its unpatriotic and very arrogant If he narrowly won then I would say you have a point ...but he didn't I am not sure if your logic actually holds water, or is this one of those cases that is in effect only when you support those that are in power?
BruceVC Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) "he believes in a better economy and better overall life for all Canadians" No, he doesn't. he doesn't give a crap about Kanadians. Yes, Trump, Hilary, and Trudeau are all the same pile of scum. They are anti freedom and believe in slavery. Not cool. Accusing me of being 'unpatriotic' because I am anti slavery and oppose a politician is HILARIOUS. Since when is being 'patriotic' mean sucking the **** of some politician? LMAO My country is awesome but in spite of scumbags like that not because of. CAPICHE!?! No because you are dismissing the views of large numbers of Canadians, Trudeau won a majority. In other words why do you feel you are better than all those people? I would still say its unpatriotic and very arrogant If he narrowly won then I would say you have a point ...but he didn't I am not sure if your logic actually holds water, or is this one of those cases that is in effect only when you support those that are in power? So Elerond hear me out for a second as you are logical, watch this interview and tell me what you think about Trudeau http://wn.com/justin_trudeau_cnn_interview_in_davos_for_fareed_zakaria_gps Edited February 8, 2016 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Elerond Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 "he believes in a better economy and better overall life for all Canadians" No, he doesn't. he doesn't give a crap about Kanadians. Yes, Trump, Hilary, and Trudeau are all the same pile of scum. They are anti freedom and believe in slavery. Not cool. Accusing me of being 'unpatriotic' because I am anti slavery and oppose a politician is HILARIOUS. Since when is being 'patriotic' mean sucking the **** of some politician? LMAO My country is awesome but in spite of scumbags like that not because of. CAPICHE!?! No because you are dismissing the views of large numbers of Canadians, Trudeau won a majority. In other words why do you feel you are better than all those people? I would still say its unpatriotic and very arrogant If he narrowly won then I would say you have a point ...but he didn't I am not sure if your logic actually holds water, or is this one of those cases that is in effect only when you support those that are in power? So Elerond hear me out for a second as you are logical, watch this interview and tell me what you think about Trudeau http://wn.com/justin_trudeau_cnn_interview_in_davos_for_fareed_zakaria_gps Tell me what you think about Putin that won Russian election with wider margin?
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