Turkey shoots down russian jet

[HoonDing]

This passive-aggressive nonsense is boring.

How about accidentally shooting a rocket in the Aya Sophia dome.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Why bomb a christian cathedral when there's an identical Ottoman one in Istanbul.

[Chilloutman]

I have seen article about Endrogan want to change political system to one man show president system, its telling you something

Edited December 7, 2015 by Chilloutman

[Gorth]

I have seen article about Endrogan want to change political system to one man show president system, its telling you something

He wants to be Caliph?

 

[Zoraptor]

Ironically, I rather think that Erdogan wants to be Putin.

 

Some Syrian Army soldiers got blown up by an air strike, US blames Russia (ironic, since most of their media output is accusing the Russians of bombing only the 'moderate opposition' which doesn't exist in the entire Deir ez Zor governate) and everyone else including SOHR which is usually wildly pro west blames the US. Probably a mistake either way unless Saudi Arabia/ Qatar/ Bahrain has reinstated their bombing of ISIS, in which case it would have been a 'mistake'. The stated facts don't really match anyone entirely.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Apparently wikileaks has something on Erdogan planning this thing weeks in advance as a pre-election stunt

Edited December 7, 2015 by Drowsy Emperor

[Meshugger]

Apparently wikileaks has something on Erdogan planning this thing weeks in advance as a pre-election stunt

 

Yup,

 

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/673221504356786176

 

oooh boy, i tell you.

[Darkpriest]

Should I grab some popcorn and sunglasses?

[Meshugger]

I think some people are having an aneuyrism at NATO HQ right now.

[Malcador]

Apparently wikileaks has something on Erdogan planning this thing weeks in advance as a pre-election stunt

And people say US politics is extreme.

[Drowsy Emperor]

If he really did this for his next election then he's a complete idiot and probably desperate too. I wouldn't be surprised if he's so deep in criminal dealings that he simply cannot step down and must do anything and everything to remain in power.

[Meshugger]

Bump:

 

- Assad didn't gas his own people according to RT: https://www.rt.com/news/325825-sarin-gas-syria-turkey/

- Apparently it was Al-Nusra and alikes: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22424188

 

Oh my, what have the Turks gotten themselves into here? Not to mention what kind of people who finance this kinds of things...like Quatar? Maybe even The White House gave a thumbs up? Who knows, but fun times ahead either way.

[Darkpriest]

I would take what RT is writing with a huge dose of doubt, especially now when we have a propaganda war goin on due to Turkey actions against Russia.

[BruceVC]

I would take what RT is writing with a huge dose of doubt, especially now when we have a propaganda war goin on due to Turkey actions against Russia.

Yes it has been proven irrefutably that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people...not sure what Meshugger is trying to say?

[Meshugger]

 

I would take what RT is writing with a huge dose of doubt, especially now when we have a propaganda war goin on due to Turkey actions against Russia.

Yes it has been proven irrefutably that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people...not sure what Meshugger is trying to say?

 

 

The source is two members of the turkish parliament (CHP). Take it as you will.

[Zoraptor]

Whenever I see CHP I expect either our old Christian Heritage Party (disbanded when their leader was convicted of, uh, paedophilia) or for it to involve Erik Estrada and that redhead bloke who wanted to be in Miami Vice.

 

The accusations of false flags are pretty old, this just adds some detail. The only two credible scenarios involve usage of chemical weapons by rogue elements in the Syrian military or usage as a false flag by the opposition, probably using Libyan CW rockets and possibly Libyan Sarin- certainly the (Libyan) rebels were accused of using Sarin in Bani Walid well before their use in Ghouta- or Turkish precursors if the MPs statements are accurate. That would have involved firing from rebel territory over government territory or similar to make it look like it was the government doing it. Certainly the timing was suspicious as there was already a UN chemical weapons team in the country, so it was a moronic time for any official use of CW. There's no conclusive evidence for either scenario though.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Zoraptor

[Darkpriest]

Something from Reuters

 

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/12/15/why-russias-payback-to-turkey-could-be-lethal/

Edited December 15, 2015 by Darkpriest

[Mamoulian War]

 

I would take what RT is writing with a huge dose of doubt, especially now when we have a propaganda war goin on due to Turkey actions against Russia.

Yes it has been proven irrefutably that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people...not sure what Meshugger is trying to say?

 

 

You mean this evidence?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

 

/sarcasm

 

TLDR: UN had testimonies already in 2013, that sarine was used by rebels...

Edited December 15, 2015 by Mamoulian War

[Meshugger]

Deleted link about connections to Britam to conduct the operation:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

 

Money funneled through Quatarian (what a surprise), and God knows what else, channels. 

 

I have to admit that a sales pitch with the phrase "Washington approved" can be quite hard to resist. Lots of dollar, good dollar.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Meshugger

[HoonDing]

Must be even more fun times for non-Slavic looking people in Russia's big cities.

[Mamoulian War]

and this one on reuters is pretty interesting as well...

 

image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Qvd0a_Nk9iUzB1U3dXUk5NVGs/view?usp=sharing

 

the article from 5th november is long time deleted and the link was replaced to article from 6th november...

 

EDIT: no way now to know, if they just changed the headline of the article, or something in the article too...

Edited December 15, 2015 by Mamoulian War

[BruceVC]

 

 

I would take what RT is writing with a huge dose of doubt, especially now when we have a propaganda war goin on due to Turkey actions against Russia.

Yes it has been proven irrefutably that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people...not sure what Meshugger is trying to say?

 

 

You mean this evidence?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

 

/sarcasm

 

TLDR: UN had testimonies already in 2013, that sarine was used by rebels...

 

No this ...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10796175/Syria-chemical-weapons-the-proof-that-Assad-regime-launching-chlorine-attacks-on-children.html

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/syria-chemical-weapons-assad_n_3437640.html

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/07/assad-using-chemical-weapons-again-us-eyes-new-allegations-consequences-unclear.html

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/25/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html

 

 

Lets not's defend Assad, lets not try to understand his reprehensible decision to use the full might of his army to suppress any political change. He has spent 5 years desperately hanging on to power. It is highly unlikely he will supported by the West in any future negotiations where he plays a part in the future government of Syria and this is understandable 

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

I would take what RT is writing with a huge dose of doubt, especially now when we have a propaganda war goin on due to Turkey actions against Russia.

Yes it has been proven irrefutably that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people...not sure what Meshugger is trying to say?

 

 

You mean this evidence?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

 

/sarcasm

 

TLDR: UN had testimonies already in 2013, that sarine was used by rebels...

 

No this ...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10796175/Syria-chemical-weapons-the-proof-that-Assad-regime-launching-chlorine-attacks-on-children.html

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/syria-chemical-weapons-assad_n_3437640.html

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/07/assad-using-chemical-weapons-again-us-eyes-new-allegations-consequences-unclear.html

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/25/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html

 

 

Lets not's defend Assad, lets not try to understand his reprehensible decision to use the full might of his army to suppress any political change. He has spent 5 years desperately hanging on to power. It is highly unlikely he will supported by the West in any future negotiations where he plays a part in the future government of Syria and this is understandable 

 

 

Nah, how about the US and EU not meddling with Syrian internal affairs at all? like trusting the Saudis and Quataris to establish channels for arming rebels who just either took the weapons and joined ISIS or are just as bad as them? The current civil war, ISIS and the refugee crisis is a direct result by this level of incompetence by those who thought that the Arab spring would give unicorns and rainbows overnight.

 

Well, my angle is that the current policy is morally repugnant (just ask the Assyrians, Yazedis, Kurds and Alawites in the region on what they think), sorry about that. If your angle is Realpolitik without any scruples, i am then keen to listen on what the end game is for your part.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Zizek gets some Turk very angry

 

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[Meshugger]

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