Agiel Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) I did not particularly object to the concept of paid mods. The Grey Wolves Mega-mod for Silent Hunter III required a one dollar donation fee to the devs in order to get the download link (though admittedly that was a bargain of the century compared to some of the stuff we saw on the Workshop for the amount of stuff it added) and the Microsoft Flight Sim series has had paid planes developed by third-party developers, which is a practice continued with Digital Combat Simulator. The issue was that Valve adopted a "Sink or Swim" approach when putting this out there. If there was a spiral testing approach and a slow roll out of the system as was done for Team Fortress 2, then hardly anyone would have raised a stink, and the problems (which are still many) associated with this system would have been worked out early and rather painlessly as they came rather than everyone having to deal with them all it once. In the words of Rear Adm. Wayne E. Meyer: "Build a little, test a little, learn a lot." Edited April 28, 2015 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling
Mera Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. Pretty much means they will do it again with game that doesn't have "a years old modding community". Yep 1
LadyCrimson Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 ^ Kind of what it sounds like to me, too. But who knows. 1 “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Fighter Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I still think in principle the ability to sell mods isn't a bad idea.
WDeranged Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) I hope they implement a donation system instead... Edited April 28, 2015 by WDeranged
Mamoulian War Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I still think in principle the ability to sell mods isn't a bad idea. The idea is not bad, but the implementation and execution was goddamn terrible. But I think like many others, for mods, much better solution would be donation based workshop. Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
Fighter Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I am a big fan of the idea of tools and resources evolving to become easier to use and less expensive to access. A triple "A" game's resources including a ready set of functioning mechanics that don't have to be made from scratch is a big resource for developers. A donation button is nice. But I think entirely unreliable for someone to get into full time and maybe invest into the quality and scope.
Blarghagh Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 And the first "news articles" about how entitled gamers ruined something else are popping up. I wonder if games journalism will ever have news instead of clickbait-via-offending ever again.
Gorgon Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Bottom line is the greed bothers me. 75%. That, and the profit motivation is going to stifle innovation and creativity not promote it. On the other hand if it means that they are going to release dev tools on any major titile in the hopes of being able to collect forever from the efforts of a potential modding comunity - Dev tools are a nice thing. In a perfect world they would just make the game and however many offical DLCs then open up the game for modding by hack or accident or intentionally and then GO AWAY FOREVER. Those days are probably gone though. https://steamcommunity.com/games/SteamWorkshop/announcements/detail/208632365253244218 Why is this 'Alden' felllow calling it 'our own game's community'. Is he from Bethesda ? Pretty sure not. Valve/STEAM doesn't have developer creds anymore, they are just a middleman. stop pretending you are one of the cool kids. You just work at the cash register. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Azdeus Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Great, developers won't even have to develop their own DLC - they'll get paid from the modders efforts! Win! Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
Fighter Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 But in a way it's like saying Epic will not have to make their own games other devs will make it for them. It's the 75% fee that sounds like a ripoff.
Humanoid Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I have a problem with Steam doing it regardless of the breakdown of numbers, because even if implemented competently, too much of the industry is already concentrated in the hands of one entity and this would just lock us in even more tightly. I'd be a lot more open to the Nexus implementing such a system, even if the agreement they sign with Bethesda was no different. 2 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
Malcador Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Great, developers won't even have to develop their own DLC - they'll get paid from the modders efforts! Win! Well, it's worked well for Valve but with games proper 4 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Meshugger Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Fallout 4 would be the logical choice, no doubt...but perhaps Bethesda will not wish to stick its hands in this controversy again. We'll see, I suppose. Yeah, that sounds about right. Customers won the battle but the war still rages on. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Gorgon Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I'm a bit annoyed that they caved so quickly. I'm not entirely done being angry. 3 Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Malcador Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I'm a bit annoyed that they caved so quickly. I'm not entirely done being angry. Feed your anger on the potential. Be mad at what could have been and how they could do it in the first place. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
213374U Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I'm a bit annoyed that they caved so quickly. I'm not entirely done being angry. Feed your anger on the potential. Be mad at what could have been and how they could do it in the first place. And then we'll find a way to monetise the anger. Because we strongly believe that angry people should be rewarded for the effort they put into getting pissed at stuff. We want to encourage angry people to work full time on their pet peeves, so more quality rants are produced. We believe this will result in more butthurt for for everyone, fostering competition to produce top-notch foaming at the mouth. We want minor annoyances to lead to bloodshot eyed-frenzies, and we want it to happen organically for any mildly irritated person who wants to take a shot at suffering a stroke. 4 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Meshugger Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Responses from /v/ on 8chan: http://i.imgur.com/1hgX5Ad.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PiZeXK0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oB6aEyh.jpg Responses from /v/ on 4chan: http://i.imgur.com/WWdyud1.png "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Responses from /v/ on 8chan: http://i.imgur.com/1hgX5Ad.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PiZeXK0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oB6aEyh.jpg Responses from /v/ on 4chan: http://i.imgur.com/WWdyud1.png Does this mean if enough people fight for it....incline will happen? And still going to cuckchan, pfft. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Meshugger Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 I just pasted the links from somewhere else, i swear! "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
HoonDing Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 The world would be better if everything was for free. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Gfted1 Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 The world would be better if everything was for free. QFT. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Mamoulian War Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 The world would be better if everything was for free. COMMUNIST!!!111 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 The world would be better if everything was for free. COMMUNIST!!!111 Well.......with software piracy allows distribution of something to anyone for free, so piracy = communism. Makes sense when you see how bunched corporations get their panties over it. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Malcador Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 And then we'll find a way to monetise the anger. Because we strongly believe that angry people should be rewarded for the effort they put into getting pissed at stuff. We want to encourage angry people to work full time on their pet peeves, so more quality rants are produced. We believe this will result in more butthurt for for everyone, fostering competition to produce top-notch foaming at the mouth. We want minor annoyances to lead to bloodshot eyed-frenzies, and we want it to happen organically for any mildly irritated person who wants to take a shot at suffering a stroke. So....the Daily Mail ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
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