Drama in the indy gaming biz ?

[kirottu]

*cough*

http://imgur.com/a/Mfh61

 

Even her cherry picked chat logs aren't proof of anything. I'm not sure how to take this. She had to read those logs in order to cherry pick from them, but they still don't make any sense.

Edited September 6, 2014 by kirottu

[Fighter]

So I've read nearly entire thing. Come on, this is the big reveal conspiracy to organize mass harassment campaign? This is hilarious how they jump on it after dismissing everything else as "conspiracy theory".

 

There is one bad conversation that talks about hacking her email. But at least in the provided screenshot it is not show to be leading anywhere. The rest is typical 4chan nonsense.

[Sarex]

Whooosh!

Edited September 6, 2014 by Sarex

[Lexx]

TW : Conspiracies

https://storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate

 

 

"We've seen the MRA ****stain youtubers in there, my ex in there, all kinds of people. And it's going into the police report."

 

"Sorry, already HAS gone into the police report. :)"

 

I don't know how it is in her country, but if you fill a police report here, you are advised not to tell important details to the public. Now the other side can prepare and potentially wrack the thing you've got going.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

*cough*

http://imgur.com/a/Mfh61

 

You do realize that those are just notepad versions of the chat, they don't show anything and are easily doctored.

 

I think that was his point.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I don't know how it is in her country, but if you fill a police report here, you are advised not to tell important details to the public. Now the other side can prepare and potentially wrack the thing you've got going.

It's the same here, you are advised not to announce it because it reduces the chance of catching anyone who has been making threats or harassing you.

[Sarex]

I think that was his point.

 

Oh damn, my bad.

[kirottu]

 

*cough*

http://imgur.com/a/Mfh61

 

You do realize that those are just notepad versions of the chat, they don't show anything and are easily doctored.

 

I edited my previous post a bit. You are of course right. Changing something in notepad is super easy, but is there even need for it? Those notepad logs just give slightly more context. Zoe posted chat logs aren't proof of anything so there is no need to disprove them.

[kirottu]

 

So apparently Quinn has posted logs that this is all a 4chan conspiracy. Which I suppose changes stuff.

 

What took her so long?

 

If I would have to guess we are going to see dozen gaming articles claiming how #gamergate has been proven to be misogynist 4chan raid against women or just Zoe.

[Sarex]

If I would have to guess we are going to see dozen gaming articles claiming how #gamergate has been proven to be misogynist 4chan raid against women or just Zoe.

 

That is my opinion too, this isn't so much prof, as it is a tool to turn the masses in her favor.

[HoonDing]

Am I on Tumblr right now?

Yes, you are.

[namelesshero]

The denial would be funny if that **** didn't involve harassment.

 

People with the child bride avatars going "photoshopped/doctored!!!"  then "it's no big deal!!!"

[Blarghagh]

Even if it were true, how does a few people planning harassment translate to all gamers being white, male, cis gender misogynists or to the games industry not being corrupt? It "wins" nothing, as if this was a thing to win in the first place. Even if she proves she is being harassed, gamers are going to keep on being gamers and not being represented by the people doing the harassment.

 

I enjoy the podcast YouTubers Mangaminx and LeutinGaming did on the subject:

 

For those who don't know, MangaMinx is one of the first Let's Play creators on YouTube if not THE first, and she is also a lesbian woman married to another (nonwhite) lesbian gamer and professional gamer, KrismPro. She is very, very adamantly for the #notyourshield movement.

[NWN_babaYaga]

I can .. seriously. What i can say is that woman like these two egocentric idiots will be the cause of some man to change their viewpoint about woman and feminism in general. Because it is very clear now what it´s all about. Beta males will lick their boots as always but many normal guys will start to get it. If they dont resepect anything then no sane guy will respect them and handle them like whor*s. Because thats what they are.

 

I can just hope you woman will understand what these animals are doing.

[Oerwinde]

If 4chan knew she was in their chat channels, possibly screencapping the logs, why would they go through with it? Its almost like SHE set it up to get into the limelight again, and had this ready to make her look good

[Fighter]

Unfortunately the press makes the narrative and now the whole issue is going to be entirely "a campaign of misogyny". Feminists have a monopoly on the entire public discourse outside of forums.

[licketysplit]

Unfortunately the press makes the narrative and now the whole issue is going to be entirely "a campaign of misogyny". Feminists have a monopoly on the entire public discourse outside of forums.

 

So far they haven't offered any proof in their condemnation of gamers. They just have to type away in their ivory towers. Read the IRC stuff. Sorry Zoe, I see no conspiracy. You're still vile. 

Edited September 6, 2014 by licketysplit

[Keyrock]

Unfortunately the press makes the narrative and now the whole issue is going to be entirely "a campaign of misogyny". Feminists have a monopoly on the entire public discourse outside of forums.

That's the thing, those spinning this aren't really feminists, they're frauds and hypocrites using this to gain fame and profit.  They're driving a campaign of shame and name calling while speaking against shame and name calling, using the guise of feminism to guilt the gullible sheeple into blindly following everything they say and buying the games they push.  It's a classic propaganda trick and it will sadly probably succeed.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Keyrock

[Fighter]

I bet if Zoe was man who cheated on his girlfriend with five people. Not only would we hear the details but he would be an abusive bastard, a misogynist, and no doubt a rapist (using Zoe's very own views on consent).

Edited September 6, 2014 by Fighter

[Blarghagh]

I think it's unhelpful to focus on Zoe and we should keep in mind that regardless of what she did, harassment is not okay. There is no such thing as "deserving" this. Threatening and organizing hate campaigns and calling names is not okay (how much of this has happened is unclear and probably not the amount Zoe claims, but I have seen people calling out to attack Zoe on twitter with my own eyes) and not productive, and why would you do this in the first place? Let's say (probably accurately) that Zoe has no integrity. Why would any intelligent person legitimize her by threatening and harassing her, or consistently making this about her? Why would any intelligent person lower themselves to someone who has no integrity by losing their own?

 

Personally I feel to say the games journalist press makes the narrative is to overestimate games journalist press. YouTubers like JonTron, Boogie, MangaMinx, TotalBiscuit, they have a far larger reach than gaming press does. As MangaMinx points out in the video I posted, even a mid-sized gaming channel is worth a lot more money than most gaming magazines at this point. Gaming press hasn't been relevant for years, pretty much since Jeff Gerstmann got fired back in 2007. People don't read anymore - video content is where gamers go for their news and reviews. I can't go by views because Games Press Websites don't openly show them, but for example if you go to Rock Paper Shotgun, you will see a rough estimated average of maybe 15 Facebook shares and 7 comments on their articles. Even small game review channels on YouTube like Worth-A-Buy that have maybe 3000 subscribers still get TEN TIMES that attention. That seems telling to me.

 

EDIT: Correction, since last I checked the Worth-A-Buy channel has grown to at least 18'000 subscribers. My apologies for the misinformation - but that's still peanuts compared to the high level YouTube Gaming Enthousiasts.

Edited September 6, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[Fighter]

I think it's unhelpful to focus on Zoe and we should keep in mind that regardless of what she did, harassment is not okay. There is no such thing as "deserving" this. Threatening and organizing hate campaigns and calling names is not okay (how much of this has happened is unclear and probably not the amount Zoe claims, but I have seen people calling out to attack Zoe on twitter with my own eyes) and not productive, and why would you do this in the first place? Let's say (probably accurately) that Zoe has no integrity. Why would any intelligent person legitimize her by threatening and harassing her, or consistently making this about her? Why would any intelligent person lower themselves to someone who has no integrity by losing their own?

 

I agree. My post is about the double standards. No doubt there was harassment. But I would bet only >1% engage in that, gaming media however is perfectly happy to make everything about them.

[Keyrock]

I absolutely agree that harassment is wrong.  There are definitely people in the wrong on both sides of this and there definitely are cruel, juvenile, misogynist gamers out there engaging in inexcusable acts.  Sadly, these misguided people are the ones being paraded for the general public to see shifting blame and deflecting attention from the initial issue of the integrity of games media.

[Blarghagh]

Licketysplit posted this originally but it circumvented the language filter. I felt it was good enough to post again so I censored it.

 

It's from this article: http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/09/gamergate-progress-weve-made-far/ This is also a good read.

 

EDIT: Great job, TN. Actually forget to attach the file.

[HoonDing]

Long live adblock.

[Orogun01]

I absolutely agree that harassment is wrong.  There are definitely people in the wrong on both sides of this and there definitely are cruel, juvenile, misogynist gamers out there engaging in inexcusable acts.  Sadly, these misguided people are the ones being paraded for the general public to see shifting blame and deflecting attention from the initial issue of the integrity of games media.

But it seems like one side makes efforts to rise above it sticking to the subject and the issues that matter, while the other seem all to willing to inject their politics into the discussion by garnering sympathy because of their abuse. Frankly the abuse thrown at journalists isn't relevant to the issue of their corruption or the fact that the have made their field into a political battlefield. Or are the two somehow related? 

They are misleading the issue by making about online harassment and on top of that their side which claims the moral high ground also engages in such behavior.