Dark Post-Apocalypse

[Lord Belial]

I bet i am not the only person who is disappointed with inXile's project Wasteland 2 and I hope Obsidian will eventuallly create their own spiritual successor of Fallout or maybe another non-fantasy isometric RPG. There is too much fantasy and few decent RPG placed in modern or sci-fi settings, unfortunately.

[Endrosz]

Are you from the future? I mean, you're talking about a game that just reached beta stage, but you have already passed final judgement on it.

[Lord Belial]

Not the final, but i am not encouraged by the game, anyway, Obsidian can do better than inxile i  suppose.

[Nonek]

You know that's one thing that i'm absolutely looking forward to, the lack of lighting in the post apocalypse world, for an amateur astronomer the light pollution of modern cities is utterly ruinous.

[Plutone00]

Wasteland 2 is aimed at specific audience. While some aspects of it may look obsolete by modern standarts, it does not make it a bad game. It is paying homage to original Wasteland (and to old-school Fallouts by assosiaton), which I'm sure is appreciated by fans of the classic.

[AGX-17]

I bet i am not the only person who is disappointed with inXile's project Wasteland 2 and I hope Obsidian will eventuallly create their own spiritual successor of Fallout or maybe another non-fantasy isometric RPG. There is too much fantasy and few decent RPG placed in modern or sci-fi settings, unfortunately.

"Dark Post-Apocalypse"

 

What are you saying, that Wasteland 2 is too light-hearted? Too much of a fantasy game? Obsidian shouldn't make fantasy games? Existing post-apocalyptic games are too brightly lit?

Edited December 29, 2013 by AGX-17

[Keyrock]

Maybe when the apocalypse that wiped out civilization as we know it happened, lighting technology miraculously came through unscathed and continued to flourish.  Maybe as all the other aspects of technology and civilization collapsed, the survivors (mutant and non-mutant) continued working feverishly on higher efficiency illumination.  I mean, that should be a priority, right?

Edited December 29, 2013 by Keyrock

[HoonDing]

Obsidian Kickstarter will be only Dark Heroic Fantasy.

[PIP-Clownboy]

Wasteland 2 is aimed at specific audience. While some aspects of it may look obsolete by modern standarts, it does not make it a bad game. It is paying homage to original Wasteland (and to old-school Fallouts by assosiaton), which I'm sure is appreciated by fans of the classic.

 

It makes it a mediocre game... and what specific audience would that be? Those very fans backed the game and are just as disappointed unless you're claiming W2's reception has been positive.

 

 When you look at what Expedition: Conquistador dudes did with with 80k~ you wonder what the **** Fargo did with all that money. 

 

Have much more faith in Obsidian delivering though as they have proven themselves over the past 10+ years. Inxile however has yet to release an actual good game while profiting on people's nostalgia. 

Edited December 29, 2013 by PIP-Clownboy

[Plutone00]

Oh, boy...

 

It makes it a mediocre game...

 

 

I does not. It just makes it not suitable for your particular tastes.
 

 

and what specific audience would that be?

 

 

The fans of the original Wasteland and old-school Fallouts that I mentioned in my previous post which you apparently did not read...

 

Those very fans backed the game and are just as disappointed unless you're claiming W2's reception has been positive.

 

 

First of all, there was no reception yet. The game is still in development. Secondly, the purpose of the beta is precisely to collect feedback. So head on over to http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/index.php if you have something constructive to say to the devs instead of ranting at me. I do not deny that some backers may have been dissapointed, because they were expecting isometric New Vegas, but that's the way it is with kickstarter-type projects: you take a leap of faith and it does not always pay off the way you expected.

 

When you look at what Expedition: Conquistador dudes did with with 80k~

 

 

Nice game, I agree.

 

you wonder what the **** Fargo did with all that money

 

 

Spent it on different aspects of the game, obviously. Taken from http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2

 

sounds like a lot of money, but in normal AAA video game development it is less than 7% of what a big publisher spends to make a game. The last game you bought probably had a game development budget of something closer to $15,000,000. Wasteland 2 will have a team of programmers, character artists, environmental artists, animators, writers, designers, sound designers, musicians, and level designers working for 12-18 months.

 

Have much more faith in Obsidian delivering though as they have proven themselves over the past 10+ years.

 

 

Where did I say anything about not having faith in Obsidian? Please, read messages carefully before posting replies.

 

Inxile however has yet to release an actual good game while profiting on people's nostalgia.

 

 

They have not yet profited anything. All donations have gone to fund their projects.

[Lord Belial]

Yeah, Fargo's brainwashing compain went too far, i hope he will pay for it. Some East-European games, released 7 years ago, look much better than this. I cant recall when I played a game having such a primitive and boring combat and game mechanics in general. 

[Lord Belial]

Wasteland 2 is turn-based, combat oriented, squad RPG, if it wasn't, than i could forget  primitivism,  that somebody call combat.

 

Inxile however has yet to release an actual good game while profiting on people's nostalgia.

 

 

They have not yet profited anything. All donations have gone to fund their projects.

How can you know exactly which way they use their money and time?

[Plutone00]

Yeah, Fargo's brainwashing compain went too far, i hope he will pay for it.

 

 

How can you know exactly which way they use their money and time?

 

 

From progress reports at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2 obviously.

 

If you do not believe them, their "brainwashing compaign" clearly failed, or did it?...

 

Some East-European games, released 7 years ago, look much better than this.

 

 

I sincerly doubt that, but It's all a matter of taste. I'll not argue.

 

I cant recall when I played a game having such a primitive and boring combat and game mechanics in general.

 

 

Once again a matter of taste. Simplifications had to be made in accordance with tight budget and in order to make game accessible to new fans.

 

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Seriously, if you've got something constructive to say (and you don't from what I've seen so far) head on over to http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/index.php (unless you've already been banned there for trolling) and voice your very valuable opinion to the devs. Ranting here is pointless.

[Bill Gates' Son]

 

Wasteland 2 is aimed at specific audience. While some aspects of it may look obsolete by modern standarts, it does not make it a bad game. It is paying homage to original Wasteland (and to old-school Fallouts by assosiaton), which I'm sure is appreciated by fans of the classic.

 

When you look at what Expedition: Conquistador dudes did with with 80k~ you wonder what the **** Fargo did with all that money. 

 

 

You mean incredibly simply combat, horrible optimization, bad overworld controls and camera, and mediocre graphics.  I hope wasteland 2 is nothing like that EC, which I found mediocre (but that's my subjective opinion; I know a lot of people like the game).  But even then, EC is a finished game, while WL2 is still in alpha (despite the description, it's certainly not a beta).

Edited December 30, 2013 by Bill Gates' Son

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Wasteland 2 is turn-based, combat oriented, squad RPG, if it wasn't, than i could forget  primitivism,  that somebody call combat.

 

How can you know exactly which way they use their money and time?

 

Yeah, Fargo's brainwashing compain went too far, i hope he will pay for it. Some East-European games, released 7 years ago, look much better than this. I cant recall when I played a game having such a primitive and boring combat and game mechanics in general. 

 

 

...Oby? Is that you?

Edited December 30, 2013 by aluminiumtrioxid

[Walsingham]

If you are from the future, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS TO MY PANTS!

[Keyrock]

Maybe we're all reading this wrong?  Maybe it's Dark Post Apocalypse, as in all the posts will die, there will be no more posting?  Or it could be that all the posts become really dark.  Maybe we'll all be ousted and Obsidian Forums will just be a bunch of goths posting?  Or maybe we'll become assimilated and become goths ourselves?  

 

/shudders

[Zoraptor]

Well, when I saw Dark Post Apocalypse I did think 'yes, Garrett in a post apocalyptic version of his world would be great. What if the Trickster won?'.

 

Post apocalyptic steampunk, basically, there ain't enough (any?) of it.

[Mor]

 come on guys, its pretty obvious that by "Dark Post Apocalypse" he meant dark and gritty realism..

 

 

 

Yeah, Fargo's brainwashing compain went too far, i hope he will pay for it. Some East-European games, released 7 years ago, look much better than this. I cant recall when I played a game having such a primitive and boring combat and game mechanics in general.

uhm.. Fargo's brainwashing campaign?  I don't think he did anything that others before didn't do, he just said good ol' RPGs, fallout and ranted about big publishers, and you said shut up and take my money without reading the fine print on what the project entails and now you are disappointed that Wasteland 2 is successor to Wasteland and not a disguise for the "real" fallout 3.

 

I agree that compared to some 3D games or "isometric" games like fallout(or eternity turns out), Wasteland2 doesn't look that good. But, IMO they delivered what they said they will within the confines of their budget.

 

As for East-Europeans game, I bet that Chinese developers pays even less for developers time..

[ilhdr]

They have not yet profited anything. All donations have gone to fund their projects.

 

Which in turn paid their own salaries, so they are making a personal profit anyway.

[Plutone00]

 

They have not yet profited anything. All donations have gone to fund their projects.

 

Which in turn paid their own salaries, so they are making a personal profit anyway.

 

 

No, they are not. They are just paying their bills. What kind of job do you have IRL anyway? Are you making a salary? If you are doing your job for free, then what do you do with your living expenses?

[ilhdr]

Sorry, I don't get what you're saying. Of course they are not working for free, which was what I said.

Edited January 8, 2014 by ilhdr

[Plutone00]

I was just the way you you phrased it. Making a "personal profit" at funder's expense is not the quite the same as working.

[Chilloutman]

I was just the way you you phrased it. Making a "personal profit" at funder's expense is not the quite the same as working.

 

Does it mean you are not working for your personal profit? Your Boss must love you (if you are still in schoole just skip my comment)

[Jobby]

Wasteland 2 looks good, what's the fuss about? The current combat system isn't fully implemented and they iterating it through fan feedback, what exactly is your problem with the game? The fact that its turn based? Or that in this particular post apocalyptic wasteland they didn't nuke that big thing in the sky that provides light for free!