Morgoth Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Bioshock had an interesting setting, but ended up being a little bit over-the-top and lolly-pop colorful. Quite a let down thinking that System Shock 2 was a much darker game. But the US audience doesn't want that. They want their games served the same as their junk food is served: Fast, unnutritious and wanting for more. Infinite will probably end up the same. I will still enjoy it, but I know Levine can do better. Edited July 8, 2011 by Morgoth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2B Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I've seen 12 years olds that have jugs like a... But hey. ... i wasn't talking about "jugs". look at her face, yeah its anime looking with big eyes etc, but it doesnt look like a 15 year old. there is a big difference between how a 15 year old girl looks and how a 23 year old girl looks. That actually largly depends on the person. I know ~30 year olds that regulary have to show their ID because people can't tell if they are over 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I've seen 12 years olds that have jugs like a... But hey. ... i wasn't talking about "jugs". look at her face, yeah its anime looking with big eyes etc, but it doesnt look like a 15 year old. there is a big difference between how a 15 year old girl looks and how a 23 year old girl looks. Son, she has an anime face, so her age can be everything in between 9 and 85. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Bioshock had an interesting setting, but ended up being a little bit over-the-top and lolly-pop colorful. Quite a let down thinking that System Shock 2 was a much darker game. But the US audience doesn't want that. They want their games served the same as their junk food is served: Fast, unnutritious and wanting for more. Infinite will probably end up the same. I will still enjoy it, but I know Levine can do better. Levine talks a big game, but he has sold out just as Warren Spector and countless other developers. Loved his complete 180 on motion controls at this year's E3, moneyhats all around. Edited July 8, 2011 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Neither Levine nor Spector have sold out. Spector just has the luxury that he can do whatever he wants. He's a big Disney fan? Fine, let him make Epic Mickey! I don't blame him for it. Game designers shouldn't be stuck in a hole just because some vocal fans have "expectations" from them. Like everything in life, people change their tastes, preferences etc. Levine is imo a no-nonsense guy. When somebody interviews him, he tries to at least making sense. He's not that Dave Gaffe guy or CliffyB that thinks "Yo, let's blow **** up bro!" is the apex of the medium. There are really only 3 companies left that do immersive FPS/RPG/adventure hybrids with no ingame cutscene narrative: Arkane, Irrational and sister studio 2K Marin. I buy all their games day 1. Edited July 8, 2011 by Morgoth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 After Raven's work with Singularity, I hope they join that list. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Neither Levine nor Spector have sold out. Spector just has the luxury that he can do whatever he wants. He's a big Disney fan? Fine, let him make Epic Mickey! I don't blame him for it. Game designers shouldn't be stuck in a hole just because some vocal fans have "expectations" from them. Like everything in life, people change their tastes, preferences etc. Levine is imo a no-nonsense guy. When somebody interviews him, he tries to at least making sense. He's not that Dave Gaffe guy or CliffyB that thinks "Yo, let's blow **** up bro!" is the apex of the medium. There are really only 3 companies left that do immersive FPS/RPG/adventure hybrids with no-ingame cutscene narrative: Arkane, Irrational and sister studio 2K Marin. I buy all their games day 1. Spector decided to make his masterpiece on the most limited platform with tacked-on motion controls and ended up with a mediocre game. I'll grant you that it might have just been him screwing up, but looking at the concept art, I get the idea that the vision and the end result parted ways somewhere along the development process. I'm sure Levine is a nice guy in person and there are certainly much worse "star developers" out there, but the reluctant "apology" about motion control pretty much sealed the deal for me. It's obviously my fault if I expect more from the guy who made System Shock 2 and Freedom Force, but that's how I feel. I have long ago abandoned buying games based solely on their genre or the developer, there are just too many good games out there for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 After Raven's work with Singularity, I hope they join that list. The first 15 minutes of Singularity had quite some potential, but then it turned into just another boring killfest. Also the sound isn't up to the par of my quality expectations. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Cleavage of a 15 year old girl, no less. But since it's not a Bioware game, no personal attacks involving paedophilia will be made. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Cleavage of a 15 year old girl, no less. But since it's not a Bioware game, no personal attacks involving paedophilia will be made. I don't anyone here is in a position to make such attacks after the 30+ page Sis appreciation thread on the AP forums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I don't anyone here is in a position to make such attacks after the 30+ page Sis appreciation thread on the AP forums... Wow, didn't know about that. Interesting idea for a character but creepy, heh. Amazing how Bioware comes up for no reason at all, as well. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Amazing how Bioware comes up for no reason at all, as well. Probably a reference to the Saerileth mod 15-year old romanceable Paladin of Tyr, yeeeaaahhhh Edited July 8, 2011 by virumor The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I've seen 12 years olds that have jugs like a... But hey. ... i wasn't talking about "jugs". look at her face, yeah its anime looking with big eyes etc, but it doesnt look like a 15 year old. there is a big difference between how a 15 year old girl looks and how a 23 year old girl looks. Son, she has an anime face, so her age can be everything in between 9 and 85. touche! Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mera Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Saerileth mod Some of the comments are amazing. If I could meet someone like Saerileth in real life, I'd be the happiest man on earth . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 This thread is going places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 lolol man that is some funny stuff Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Amazing how Bioware comes up for no reason at all, as well. Probably a reference to the Saerileth mod 15-year old romanceable Paladin of Tyr, yeeeaaahhhh No, it was a reference to one of the DA2 threads in this forum. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 And Saerileth will love you like no other. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Let this be a reminder that our compatriots, our fellows enthusiasts of RPGs, our brothers, have been creepy for a long time. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) I liked the LP with the Saerlelth mod. Hilarious stuff. looking at the concept art, I get the idea that the vision and the end result parted ways somewhere along the development process.Yes and no. The steampunk concept arts were just tests on how far Disney will let them take the edginess. Not that far, sadly. Edited July 8, 2011 by Oner Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2B Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) I liked the LP with the Saerlelth mod. Hilarious stuff. looking at the concept art, I get the idea that the vision and the end result parted ways somewhere along the development process.Yes and no. The steampunk concept arts were just tests on how far Disney will let them take the edginess. Not that far, sadly. I don't really the steampunk part here is correct. At least from looking at the concept art. Edit: Well the concept art on the right. The left one fits probably more. Edited July 8, 2011 by C2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Maybe you're right. Maybe it was clock punk. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Well, call it industrial decay. My point was that if the end result was Spector's vision, he's fallen a long way from what he used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 they don't make em like they used to /end old man ranting Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) they don't make em like they used to /end old man ranting No, they make them better. *Prepares flame shield. Edited July 9, 2011 by Bos_hybrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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