Darth Brooks Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 All the loose ends have been cleared up for me, either from forum topics, missing content, or just playing the game way too many times and reading all dialog possible. What I still haven't figured out: Why is the Disciple considered a betrayer? Who exactly is he betraying? What is he a desciple of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleCookiee Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 He was a padawan, but because of the Exile he left the Jedi and left for the Mandalorian war. I think Kreia didn't liked him doing that, don't ask me why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Phantom Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Well, I'm sorry to say that I never have actually completed any of my female files (one can only do Peragus so many times over, unlike any other world imo). But I do know from looking around some, the Desciple is searching for the Jedi, is a spy for the Republic, and was (at one point in his life) trained by the Jedi. I think it may have been the Exile, but I'm not positive (who trained him). And before the end, Desciple sees the Echoes and realizes that if they continue at the current rate, all life in the universe will be wiped out by Kreia's plan... That's all I know. Sorry I couldn't be of any better aid. Geekified Star Wars Geek Heart of the Force, Arm of the Force "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" -Obi-wan to Anakin (NOT advocating Grey-Jedidom) "The Force doesn't control people, Kreia controls people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawyl Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Why is the Disciple considered a betrayer?Who exactly is he betraying? What is he a desciple of? He was considered a betrayer? Refresh my memory, please. :"> He is a disciple of the Jedi/Republic, I believe, and later yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 My guesses/thoughts on the Betrayer thing: 1) The Jedi, since he quit them after the Exile decided to go to war - making the title more of a philosphical thing. 2) Of the Exile - there's some dialogue bits in the folders that indicate he's caught sending messages to the Rebublic while on the EbonHawk - I don't know if you get these or not, ever - maybe they've been cut, like so many others were. In that case, 'betrayer' might be a reference to something he was supposed to do in the game that isn't there anymore - and Kreia knows the future, so calls him that. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 He was considered a betrayer? Refresh my memory, please. Kreia calls him that during one of the cutscenes where she's running around tormenting Disciple on the ship. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Phantom Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Well, he does call Carth if you're Male... Kreia doesn't know the future for sure. She may know the near future, but noone is SW knows the future for sure... Geekified Star Wars Geek Heart of the Force, Arm of the Force "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" -Obi-wan to Anakin (NOT advocating Grey-Jedidom) "The Force doesn't control people, Kreia controls people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawyl Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Of the Exile - there's some dialogue bits in the folders that indicate he's caught sending messages to the Rebublic while on the EbonHawk - I don't know if you get these or not, ever - maybe they've been cut, like so many others were. Aaah! Those darn cut bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleCookiee Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Of the Exile - there's some dialogue bits in the folders that indicate he's caught sending messages to the Rebublic while on the EbonHawk - I don't know if you get these or not, ever - maybe they've been cut, like so many others were. Aaah! Those darn cut bits. Well, there is one in, where Atton finds out and he explains that he sends them to prevent the Republic Agents searching for him because he didn't call in. Well, he does call Carth if you're Male... When??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Yes, she can't read the whole future...if at all...more likely she's just reading his mind (or spirit, or whatever) and knows what his true motivations/intentions are or something, and in her eyes, it equals betrayer...for whatever reason. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawyl Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Well, there is one in, where Atton finds out and he explains that he sends them to prevent the Republic Agents searching for him because he didn't call in. Hmm...I had full influence with both Atton and the Disciple and never got those...ARGH Well, he does call Carth if you're Male... ? Disciple can't be in your party if you're male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleCookiee Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Well, there is one in, where Atton finds out and he explains that he sends them to prevent the Republic Agents searching for him because he didn't call in. Hmm...I had full influence with both Atton and the Disciple and never got those...ARGH I only got this one because I entered/exited the ship on my last planet before Dantooine 2 untill the movies were depleted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Perhaps Disciple does something when he goes back to Khoona on Dantoonie, during your defense/non-defense of the place, if you're male? And I never got that scene w/Atton reporting etc. either. Maybe you need to have low influence w/Disciple & high w/Atton to get it. (and I always enter/reenter to trigger scenes...) “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Phantom Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 No, on Dantooine after meeting him as male, in Khoonda office, he calls Carth. Geekified Star Wars Geek Heart of the Force, Arm of the Force "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" -Obi-wan to Anakin (NOT advocating Grey-Jedidom) "The Force doesn't control people, Kreia controls people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Phantom Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Oh, and its your first time after seeing Disciple when you report that Vrook wasn't in the enclave. Not during the battle. Geekified Star Wars Geek Heart of the Force, Arm of the Force "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" -Obi-wan to Anakin (NOT advocating Grey-Jedidom) "The Force doesn't control people, Kreia controls people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe -mkb- Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 There are two cutscenes on the Ebon Hawk regarding the Disciple contacting the Republic. They are still in the game. The first one is when T3 encounters him in the Communications room using the comm system, they talk for a bit and T3 displays a hologram of Carth to the Disciple. The second one, which is a continuation of the first, is where the Disciple is in the Cargo Hold and Atton comes in, confronting him about the transmission to Telos that Atton had intercepted. In order for the first cutscene to trigger, you must have found three of the Jedi Masters (Vash, Vrook, Kavar, Zes-Kai-Ell) and Atton and Disciple must have had both their Argue/Fight cutscenes. (Those two cutscenes only trigger if Atton has less influence than Disciple, 15+ and 30+ less respectively.) The second cutscene where Atton confronts Disciple about the transmission only triggers once the first one with T3 vs. Disciple has been played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Interesting! Thanks, stoffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanC9 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 In order for the first cutscene to trigger, you must have found three of the Jedi Masters (Vash, Vrook, Kavar, Zes-Kai-Ell) and Atton and Disciple must have had both their Argue/Fight cutscenes. (Those two cutscenes only trigger if Atton has less influence than Disciple, 15+ and 30+ less respectively.) The second cutscene where Atton confronts Disciple about the transmission only triggers once the first one with T3 vs. Disciple has been played. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This sort of thing makes me wonder ... how many times would you have to play the game to see all the cutscenes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth spock Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Kreia calls him that during one of the cutscenes where she's running around tormenting Disciple on the ship. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I LOVE it when she does that. When Di is "working" in the medlab, Kreia runs past really fast and he turns round like he doesn't think people can run on board a ship. I was rolling on the floor laughing for some reason... at his own stupididty or my own stupidity... I'm guessing its the latter though. ^_^ Fanfics: KotOR II: After the Credits Rolled: Read Force Sight: Read Other: Gaming Blog: Read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 @ stoffe -mkb- Thanks a lot for info that led to me getting to see more of the cutscenes! Amazing how little things like that can make the game feel a little more sensible....not a lot...but a little. --------- @ AlanC9 - maybe more times than one would play, if a player tends to stick to one kind of behaviour regarding NPC's. Not sure I would have seen those on my own. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchzenka Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I really need to get this for the PC so I can externally manipulate the influence. For some reason I simply can't bear going through the game for long with more influence with Disciple than with Atton. -Zenka The Evil Cow http://kotorsocial.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryDove Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 This sort of thing makes me wonder ... how many times would you have to play the game to see all the cutscenes? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably just twice for female/male scenes...On my second run-through I learned running into and out of the ship triggered tons...all on the same planet mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Quasar Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 No, on Dantooine after meeting him as male, in Khoonda office, he calls Carth. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In my playthrough as male he didn't call Carth, because it was another admiral on the Sojourn. Of course, I declared Revan to be a female darksider, so Carth couldn't be an Admiral if he was cut down by the woman he loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth spock Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I really need to get this for the PC so I can externally manipulate the influence. For some reason I simply can't bear going through the game for long with more influence with Disciple than with Atton. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just do Dantooine last. It worked like a charm for me. Fanfics: KotOR II: After the Credits Rolled: Read Force Sight: Read Other: Gaming Blog: Read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestine Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I always thought the cut scene with Kreia and Disciple and Kreia said 'betrayer'. I thought she meant herself since Disciple would have figured out who she was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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