Congratulations on Screwing it up Obsidian

[SunTzu]

If you look around on various discussion boards, you will see that a LARGE percantage of those that bought and payed for the game either 1. Cant play. 2. wont play, bc of the game wrecking bugs.

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thats because only the people with problems post about them. people dont post about not having problems....often.

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..And your point is? Most of those that are having problems most likely arent posting on these boards either.

[MBZCLKGTR4]

I can guess you got the PC version. If you did I must say im not too surprised because alot of times when a computer game freezes or something lik that its normally the computer not the actual game...but i do agree kno that they never tested it so i can agree w/sum of da thing on ur list.

[Kinor Vaos]

I maybe a n00b on these forums, but i join alot of game forums (yes i have nothing better to do) (w00t) and i find that alot of people flame games because they dont work how they want them too, like our friend here who started this thread. now myself and 4 other friends run a small community where by we all get the game and test it out on our consoles, now i have to say i have it for xbox so does one of my friends, my other 2 friends have it for pc, and they have encountered no problems, nor have i. so the problem in the eye of the beholder so to speak, if u hve it for pc and its crapping up its more likely your pc, if u have it for xbox and its crappin up, its more likely the game yes i agree there, well ive had my say and i hope people dont flame it nemore, cos its a gr8 game. but ur all entitled to your opinions.

[Trooper]

Xbox version was supposedly buggier then the PC. I love it when people go off on these little rants. It amuses me. If the game was that horrible of an expierence bring it back and continue to rant. I loved TSL. Never had a problem on the xbox. Thats all I gotta say.

[Kinor Vaos]

Xbox version was supposedly buggier then the PC. I love it when people go off on these little rants. It amuses me.  If the game was that horrible of an expierence bring it back and continue to rant. I loved TSL. Never had a problem on the xbox. Thats all I gotta say.

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Here here Trooper, u know when a good game hits yah (w00t)

[NeverwinterKnight]

Want examples of quest bugs?  Here's one (SPOILER ALERT) ... on Dantooine, there's a bonus quest where you find two dead bodies in the sublevels of the Enclave ruins.  The journal says to speak to the military commander in town or somebody in the salvage camps.  If you rescue Vrook from the caves before you complete this quest, the dialogue options *never show up*.  I have documented and proven it to myself.  The problem is that the quest should just disappear from the journal if it cannot be completed at that point.

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kotor2 doesnt list "failed" missions, therefore ones that werent completed, or "failed" remain active.

 

i dont think what you saw was an actual bug, but more the fact that there is no section for "failed" quests.

[Judge Hades]

That is one thing I hope they put in KotOR 3 and any future Obsidian games. I want a list of all the Botched Quests. That is one of the things I liked about Arcanum.

[Kinor Vaos]

would any of u like a signature done? (as in a banner) (w00t) :D

 

lol sorry, just did mine

[SunTzu]

You cant even compare an Xbox game to a PC one, since they are two totally different things.

 

An Xbox game can be created to exact standards, all Xboxes are the like. Computers arent. Saying that "The game works perfectly on my PC, so ur pc is bugged!" is idiotic, saying that "It works great on my XBOX so it must be your computer" is even worse.

 

No, its most likely not our computers. Its most likely a bug in the game that only CROPS UP ON SOME COMPUTERS. It might be that the game only pops up when you run ATi drivers this and that, or that it will only bug if you have 2 256 memory sticks, just like that.

 

That is the main problem with creating stable games for the PC, and you know what the only way to solve that is? Beta testing. Something that Obsidian obviously forgot all about.

[SunTzu]

BTW the reason i am always cranky in my posts, is that i only post when ive crashed. This time, it corrupted part of my harddrive, forcing me to run checkdisk (again).

 

I play it like mad becouse it IS a great game, its also a game with horrible bugs, that needs to be fixed ASAP. The worst thing isnt the bugs. The worst thing is the total apathy of the dev crew, and not informing the community.

 

So, devs, where are you? I have yet to see ONE SINGLE POST here that was written in response to a bug-report, hell you dont even have a bug forum, only one for "self-help". Self help?! Where the hell is your tech support?!

[TentamusDarkblade]

if it only crops up on some computers, then it's a compat issue. Odds are that one of the following isnt' jiving:

a) Graphics Driver

b) Sound Driver

c) Raid driver

 

or it could be your virus protection software, or the porn spyware on your system, or...or...or...or

 

Point is, Bugs on PCs happen. It's impossible for a dev house to test every possible software/Hardware configuration that a consumer may have. Just testing compat on various OSs and just the top brand hardware can cost up around $20K. But even that is generally done off site by a third party test company like Veritest and generally only gives the most baseline results.

 

and about the Beta testing, since when have you head of single player games having open betas? Sure, they may have some in-house pizza playtests that we'd never hear about, but a true blue open beta? you've got to be kidding.

[DarthPanda]

Maybe I'm just being optimistic here, but let's consider the fact that the full team is no longer working on KotOR2 and that the game has been out for four whole days...

 

Maybe the few who are left are busy taking down notes and working on possible solutions while they wait for LucasArts to give the go ahead, rather than waste time posting "I read the problem, but I can't magically make your game work over a post, so hang tight" to every bug report that's been put up? I mean, a majority of the people posing their errors haven't even bothered checking if someone else posted it before them (not saying they shouldn't post, I'm saying they should add to the other post rather than starting a whole new redundant thread).

 

Then again, they could have gotten sick of all the complaints and took a week off to soothe their battered souls

[Eplebit]

Saying that it's the users fault is all wrong. Yes, it is difficult to develop a game that will run on a lot of different hardware. But guess what, that's what PC developers have to do. And when my computer should be able to run a game according to the developers, I actually expect it to do so. I don't really understand why everyone is running up and defending OE and LA when they obviously haven't done good work in that category. And look around for reviews. Every one of the larger online reviewers have complained about bugs in the game, and these people play games for a living.

 

And "This game worked wonderfull on my computer, so it's all your fault" is just bs. That it worked on your computer doesn't meen it works on all.

[kastrenzo]

I'm guessing you have the PC version? I can't debate that since I don't own it for PC. However it doesn't seem to be tht bad for xbox. Maybe for once xbox gets the advantage....  :D

 

But I must agree that if you don't test a game, you can't expect it to actually be 'good'. If I wasn't such a fan of Star Wars and Kotor 1, I probably wouldn't have got it. I mean simple things like spelling errors are just not excusable.

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The Xbox vision seems fine to me.

[realjellic]

The game seems to be particularly problematic for those with radeon cars. I got a 9800 to play HL2 (which incidentally, is a very boring game ) and am having periodic graphical problems (strange bars appearing across the screen) with the latest drivers.

 

Consoles are much easier to QA because they are standardized. Every pc is different, so it is hard to ensure a good performance in eveyr possible hard/software iteration.

 

On the other hand, I just reformatted my HD and have virtually nothing installed other than the latest cats and HL2. It's hard to understand why there would be so many graphical glitches, given that my hardware is all standard fare.

[SunTzu]

if it only crops up on some computers, then it's a compat issue.  Odds are that one of the following isnt' jiving:

a) Graphics Driver

b) Sound Driver

c) Raid driver

 

or it could be your virus protection software, or the porn spyware on your system, or...or...or...or

 

Point is, Bugs on PCs happen.  It's impossible for a dev house to test every possible software/Hardware configuration that a consumer may have.  Just testing compat on various OSs and just the top brand hardware can cost up around $20K.  But even that is generally done off site by a third party test company like Veritest and generally only gives the most baseline results.

 

and about the Beta testing, since when have you head of single player games having open betas?  Sure, they may have some in-house pizza playtests that we'd never hear about, but a true blue open beta? you've got to be kidding.

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Yes, exactly my point. The thing is though, thats what you get when you decide to develop a game for the PC. A ****load of problems. And, yes, its expensive to fix, but so is every part of the dev process.

 

Every other succesful (or damn near every) manage to get their products to work without major issues, at release. Those that dont aplogize quickly, then release a patch.

 

When a developer house creates a buggy game, people are pissed off. When the same people are ignored and get no answers, they get even more angry.

[SunTzu]

Maybe I'm just being optimistic here, but let's consider the fact that the full team is no longer working on KotOR2 and that the game has been out for four whole days...

 

Maybe the few who are left are busy taking down notes and working on possible solutions while they wait for LucasArts to give the go ahead, rather than waste time posting "I read the problem, but I can't magically make your game work over a post, so hang tight" to every bug report that's been put up? I mean, a majority of the people posing their errors haven't even bothered checking if someone else posted it before them (not saying they shouldn't post, I'm saying they should add to the other post rather than starting a whole new redundant thread).

 

Then again, they could have gotten sick of all the complaints and took a week off to soothe their battered souls

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Writing a quick note saying "We are working on a patch, these are the major issues:, isnt that hard. It does NOT take a long time, and not alot of effort. We arent asking for them to answer every single post, we're asking them to post SOMEHWERE saying they know of the problem, and answer one simple question... "Are you fixing the problem?"

 

Where is their official tech-support forum? Thats right, there is none. There is one for newbies and amatuers to give out random advice, but no tech-support.

[Sifixs]

might as well just ignore him and let him vent.  He just wants to piss and moan. Rational arguements against "Wronged Fans" is a waste of time?

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If Obsidian had made a solid game then they wouldn't need all these people rushing to their defense.

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I dont have the PC version so wont make any statements about how buggy or not buggy it is.

 

I will mention the original posters claim doesnt seem to be backed up by the MAJORITY of the PC posters tho.

 

I Do however want to touch on the idiotic statement Laozi made about why people come to Obsidians defence.

 

*Speaking for myself* Im sick to death of whinners making up crap about games. Obsidian can defend themselves Im sure if they feel there is a actual problem. Im just tired of the vocal minority bashing games and making crap up.

 

My Xbox version didnt CRASH once. Only bugs I encountered in 8 play throughs were 2 slow downs after extended periods of time playing and the handmaiden bug on the Ebon Hawk when dueling ONCE!

 

My friends who purchased the game experienced no bugs. The huge majority of posters here experienced some but not a obscene amount of bugs. Yet there were always that small minority that bashed the game and made up bugs and crap about game! Pretty much everything these whinners say was a bug or unfinished quest turned out to be just them not paying attention to what was said in the game!

 

So Laozi, you are 110% incorrect far as myself (and others Im sure, ive yet to see a blatent fanboi on this site to be honest) is concerned. Im not sticking up for Obsidian or coming to their defence! My ONLY purpose for CORRECTING false whine posts is so the OTHER players dont take those inaccurate posts at face value! And from what I have read of the others that come and correct the blatent bashing posts, it sounds pretty much like they tired of it to!

 

PS: I had more problems with KotOR1 then I did with KotOR2. Neither game had serious game ending bugs though for me and both games were top notch products! By your logic I should have been stomping my feet over on Biowares site last year! If either game had been as buggy as the Diablo series of games or even remotely near MMORPG retail releases, I might have. But neither KotOR1 or 2 come even remotely close to those games for bugs.

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Well and Im sick to death of "OBSIDIAN CHUPAMEDIAS" LIKE Kalfear

[Stargate: 2000]

Writing a quick note saying "We are working on a patch, these are the major issues:, isnt that hard. It does NOT take a long time, and not alot of effort. We arent asking for them to answer every single post, we're asking them to post SOMEHWERE saying they know of the problem, and answer one simple question... "Are you fixing the problem?"

 

Where is their official tech-support forum? Thats right, there is none. There is one for newbies and amatuers to give out random advice, but no tech-support.

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your right it wouldn't be hard or take long just they don't care anymore and have all moved onto the NWN project. this game is like the crazy uncle and OE are the family members who are trying to forget it even exists.

 

Well and Im sick to death of "OBSIDIAN CHUPAMEDIAS" LIKE Kalfear

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(w00t)

[Laozi]

So Laozi, you are 110% incorrect far as myself (and others Im sure, ive yet to see a blatent fanboi on this site to be honest) is concerned. Im not sticking up for Obsidian or coming to their defence! My ONLY purpose for CORRECTING false whine posts is so the OTHER players dont take those inaccurate posts at face value! And from what I have read of the others that come and correct the blatent bashing posts, it sounds pretty much like they tired of it to!

 

PS: I had more problems with KotOR1 then I did with KotOR2. Neither game had serious game ending bugs though for me and both games were top notch products! By your logic I should have been stomping my feet over on Biowares site last year! If either game had been as buggy as the Diablo series of games or even remotely near MMORPG retail releases, I might have. But neither KotOR1 or 2 come even remotely close to those games for bugs.

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[Kalfear]

if it only crops up on some computers, then it's a compat issue.  Odds are that one of the following isnt' jiving:

a) Graphics Driver

b) Sound Driver

c) Raid driver

 

or it could be your virus protection software, or the porn spyware on your system, or...or...or...or

 

Point is, Bugs on PCs happen.  It's impossible for a dev house to test every possible software/Hardware configuration that a consumer may have.  Just testing compat on various OSs and just the top brand hardware can cost up around $20K.  But even that is generally done off site by a third party test company like Veritest and generally only gives the most baseline results.

 

and about the Beta testing, since when have you head of single player games having open betas?  Sure, they may have some in-house pizza playtests that we'd never hear about, but a true blue open beta? you've got to be kidding.

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Yes, exactly my point. The thing is though, thats what you get when you decide to develop a game for the PC. A ****load of problems. And, yes, its expensive to fix, but so is every part of the dev process.

 

Every other succesful (or damn near every) manage to get their products to work without major issues, at release. Those that dont aplogize quickly, then release a patch.

 

When a developer house creates a buggy game, people are pissed off. When the same people are ignored and get no answers, they get even more angry.

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Thats not true Sun.

 

Just immediately off the top of my head I know I experienced bugs and problems that required a after release patch in

 

1) Diablo 2

2) Civ 3 AND the Conquests expansion

3) Rollercoaster Tycoon (original one)

4) Call to Power

5) Axies and Allies (original one, dont have the most recent released one)

6) Pool of Radience (the newer one, not the old gold box game)

 

And any and all MMORPGs to date.

 

Im sure there is far more that im forgetting or never played in the single person game genre (PC games).

 

And that short list covers some HUGE HUGE selling games by some MAJOR forces in game creation.

 

So its not fair to say that all other single player games are released bug free. They quite simply are not.

 

*most common issue for them all I listed was graphics and incompadability with specific drivers and or video cards. Not all patchs were for game stopping issues either and patching was optional at best. I wouldnt be surprised to hear the mass majority of people that bought the games never bothered patching as you only found out about patchs by going to respective companies web site and searching for the fix/patch.*

[Caelib]

Xbox version was supposedly buggier then the PC. I love it when people go off on these little rants. It amuses me.  If the game was that horrible of an expierence bring it back and continue to rant. I loved TSL. Never had a problem on the xbox. Thats all I gotta say.

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Don't get me wrong, the game content is very well done. There's a LOT of technical issues with the PC version and that is the problem. I don't think you're going to see very many people complaining about the story, etc.

[LoneWolf16]

...I just played for 5 hours....and um...just crashed. That good, or bad, in terms of an initial release for a game?

[Icon]

I played this game for several days, with several marathon sessions. I had one crash. No missing feats, could've been spelling errors but if so they weren't so major as to overshadow the gameplay. The problem isn't the game, its substandard PCs trying to run the game. You should know that when they say "minimum requirements", they really mean your hosed and the games gonna have trouble if you don't exceed the suggested reqs. Every company does this, its part of the business, has been for quite a while.

[Carrie]

This game is just fine.

 

If you really want to see a game released with bugs, go find an original copy of Starfleet Command II: Empires at War.

 

THAT game was abysmal when it was released, it took tons of patches to get it right, the devs eventually even had to give it over to a couple private people who were troubleshooting all of it. Took a year or two or such, for it to work totally right. Hell, single player didn't work either with that one.

 

This game is fine. I haven't seen any/many bugs. I had one crash this morning, as a clue from the universe to stop playing it and go do what I needed to do... Otherwise, the only problem I've found with it is the same one as original. When its been running a long time, it'll act like ctrl or something is being pressed, all through dialogue . It'll all rush past till youneed to answer something, with no voice. Gotta save it, shut it down, and restart it, then.