Hurlshort Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 Spoken like a true teacher. I remember those scenes from school. A group of older bullies beating some younger kid and teacher saying afterwards. Well you swinged your leg at him when he was jumping on your head so it was clearly two way street and you are as responsible as him and deserve equal punishment. So Trump is a defenseless young kid? Oh, well now I really feel bad for him. Poor guy.
Gromnir Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Spoken like a true teacher. I remember those scenes from school. A group of older bullies beating some younger kid and teacher saying afterwards. Well you swinged your leg at him when he was jumping on your head so it was clearly two way street and you are as responsible as him and deserve equal punishment. So Trump is a defenseless young kid? Oh, well now I really feel bad for him. Poor guy. https://www.npr.org/2017/07/04/535429508/trump-s-weekend-gives-twist-to-meaning-of-bully-pulpit the present chief executive has helped change the definition o' a word while he attempts to simultaneous and incongruous appeal to his base by means o' his no-apology bluster (bullying) and at same time portrays self as the victim o' a media plot. is fascinating how a segment o' the US voting populace doesn't see the inherent inconsistency, but such is 2018. during the election, many defended trump's less-than-accurate bluster as campaign rhetoric. of course President trump wouldn't resort to such shenanigans once elected. started day one with trump calling the media liars in spite o' clear evidence undercutting his claims. unfortunate, trump's base is holding the media to a much higher standard than they hold their guy. admitted you got more than a few members o' the media jumping down into the mud with trump to sling dirt, but by doing so the press loses legitimacy in the eyes o' ordinary republicans while the president mudslinging is applauded as tough and real. so while Gromnir sees ugly, brutal and pointless trump supporters see the following: madness. HA! Good Fun! ps double-link removed Edited August 17, 2018 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Elerond Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Why didn't previous presidents whine about fake news every day? How many articles were comparing previouse presidents to Hitler? Well Obama typically got compared to socialists, Bush got the village idiot labels, and Clinton got the Jerry Springer cheater treatment. I am pretty sure even you can see that being called cheater (and in the end rightfully so) is not same as being called Nazi holocaust supporter Obama got quite lot Nazi comprasions from his political opposition and it was not limited only to opinion columns https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7888741/Barack-Obama-compared-to-Hitler-and-Lenin-in-Tea-Party-billboard.html Barack Obama compared to Hitler and Lenin in Tea Party billboard Edited August 17, 2018 by Elerond
Malcador Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 I guess this proves Americans just scare easily in general 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Hurlshort Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 As I said, I actually give Trump a lot of credit for knowing how to manipulate the media situation to his advantage. There is no way he separates himself from the republican field without having a decent enemy to attack. Everyone else was targetting Clinton and he went deeper.
ShadySands Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing; he's undergoing a systematic effort to change this country and make America more like the rest of the world. 2 Free games updated 3/4/21
Gromnir Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 As I said, I actually give Trump a lot of credit for knowing how to manipulate the media situation to his advantage. There is no way he separates himself from the republican field without having a decent enemy to attack. Everyone else was targetting Clinton and he went deeper. am thinking you give trump too much credit. conspiracy theories exist in part 'cause o' the need to see coordinated human agency behind events. as a history guy, hurl no doubt recognizes how often events is simple the result o' mistake and misunderstanding. is no doubt some axiom which expresses how human involvement in any event increases unpredictability. hanlon's razor? *shrug* am not seeing a plan behind trump. as often as not he does things which hurt his efforts and he is utter surprised by the lack o' praise. stuff such as the putin meeting and charlottesville were not part o' some kinda trump plan. during the election, each mainstream republican candidate assumed that as their real rivals dropped out o' the race, they would gain additional supporters. fundamental misconception. exit polls showed how at the time o' the election, republicans were not enamored with trump (curious, trump has become more popular with his base since the election in spite o' a couple years worth o' relative impotence) but the trump voters hated hillary. well guess what? the republican voters hated most o' the other republican candidates near as much as they hated hillary. trump supporters at the time o' the election hated hillary and Congress and the establishment, and mainstream republican candidates were part o' the establishment. republican candidates weren't outmaneuvered so much as they were playing the wrong freaking game. trump hasn't had a plan... evar. describes self as a counter-puncher and am thinking such is accurate. trump responds as 'posed to plans. the thing is, the trump base is thorough invested. sure, fox news enables, but it is the trump base which reimagines every flaw and fumble as a success. hurl is seeing agency where there is none. trump is possible 'cause middle and lower middle-class white americans is seeing trump as their guy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/01/12/trump-loyalists-rush-to-defend-the-indefensible-and-get-left-holding-the-bag/?utm_term=.06c1d78df5f7 if there is agency from the wh, then perhaps melania is behind it all, 'cause Prez trump does little save react, and that is good enough for his base. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Katphood Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Why didn't previous presidents whine about fake news every day?How many articles were comparing previouse presidents to Hitler?George W. Bush he's undergoing a systematic effort to change this country and make America more like the rest of the world. Ah...americans, they always have to be on top. Because 'the rest of the world' can go die for all they care. Edited August 18, 2018 by Katphood There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
Agiel Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Satanic temple sparks uproar by unveiling statue of goat-headed, winged creature called Baphomet in Arkansas state capitol I would have recommended getting Wolves in the Throne Room for the proceeding. Edited August 18, 2018 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing; he's undergoing a systematic effort to change this country and make America more like the rest of the world. Well if I'm elected we'll embrace what makes America the greatest country in the world. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Katphood Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Trump said a lot of bad things, but so far he hasn't leveled a country to rubbles like John McCain and his terrorist croonies did: https://youtu.be/A6tmfxaVRto I remember how Syria used to be a holiday resort back in 2008. I had friends in Austria who visited the place and said how beautiful it was. So yeah, if you look at the numbers and statistics instead of the news, Trump is indeed much better than Obama, Bush or Bill. Now Trump can call me a rapist middle-eastern all he wants, I don't care so long as he isn't willing to start a war. There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
HoonDing Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Trump is destroying Yemen though. Didn't he kill some children on his very first day? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
ShadySands Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 If Bolton gets his way Iran will be next Free games updated 3/4/21
Katphood Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Trump is destroying Yemen though. Didn't he kill some children on his very first day? That is Saudi Arabia and I'd say it would be my first pick as a strategic ally if I'd see some neighnouring country is constantly chanting 'Death to America'. Our government(Iran) never slowed down in any of these activities one bit, with all the bonus Obama was handing over to every Muslim country, all our government did was send Afghan refugees directly to the line of fire in Syria(while promising their families small amounts of money, most of which they never get) to help some guy named Bashar Al-Assad because... yeah! We don't need that when our people are hungry over here. I have enough money to get on with my life but for many others who don't, I think they would rather have our government not spend money in 4 different countries while it's own people are struggling to get food/medicine/rent etc. Let me clarify, those countries are: -Syria: tons of money spent helping the government of Assad -Yemen: money and missles sent to houthi rebels -Iraq: money spent on the shia militia and the government of Iraq which comfortably kicked our people out a few months ago...lol! -Afghanistan: our government also supports the Taliban which beheaded about 10 of our diplomats in our own embassy in Kabul some 20 years ago...but now they are somehow an ally because they hate America I guess! It is very sad and depressing, I am 34 years old and the islamic republic of Iran has been a torn in everyones arse since I can remember. Problem is though...NATO/U.S hasn't been any better in the past 15 years. I think the human race is pretty much doomed... 1 There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
Gorth Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Usually Fox "News" is only good for a laugh, but in this case, the Danish politicians response to the rather uninformed (nicest way I can put it) person making some really weird claims about Denmark is more funny than the original video... 2 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Raithe Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 2 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Guard Dog Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Seems like this get's dusted off for each new President. But it has never been more relevant: He does not belong there. He couldn't have gotten there by himself. He does not know what to do now. No good comes of him being there. You wonder what idiot put him there. 3 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
HoonDing Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Usually Fox "News" is only good for a laugh, but in this case, the Danish politicians response to the rather uninformed (nicest way I can put it) person making some really weird claims about Denmark is more funny than the original video... Copenhagen is like living in a hellhole though. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Malcador Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 If Bolton gets his way Iran will be next Sure hope not, that is going to be even worse than Iraq. Bolton seems like a typical hawk, at least reading his rationalization of trying to avoid the Vietnam draft makes me think so. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Malcador Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Seems like this get's dusted off for each new President. But it has never been more relevant: He does not belong there. He couldn't have gotten there by himself. He does not know what to do now. No good comes of him being there. You wonder what idiot put him there. Obviously some one that failed the Voigt Kampff test 2 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Maedhros Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Usually Fox "News" is only good for a laugh, but in this case, the Danish politicians response to the rather uninformed (nicest way I can put it) person making some really weird claims about Denmark is more funny than the original video... Copenhagen is like living in a hellhole though. Wut? Copenhagen is great. Probably my favorite city in Europe. Didn't live there though, so perhaps you can elaborate? Was it perhaps the language? 1
SonicMage117 Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 Fox News is worse than CNN or any other poitical driven news network? Lmao Okay. To me, they're all for nothing more than a good laugh but hell, this thread is a good laugh all in itself is it not? I'll answer for all of you. "YES." Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail...
Zoraptor Posted August 18, 2018 Posted August 18, 2018 -Syria: tons of money spent helping the government of Assad -Yemen: money and missles sent to houthi rebels -Iraq: money spent on the shia militia and the government of Iraq which comfortably kicked our people out a few months ago...lol! -Afghanistan: our government also supports the Taliban which beheaded about 10 of our diplomats in our own embassy in Kabul some 20 years ago...but now they are somehow an ally because they hate America I guess! That's pretty overblown, in practice, though- most of those expenditures come out of existing (training) budgets though, as does Russia's contribution. Liwa Fatemeyoun- the Hazara Afghan 'mercenaries' for those not au fait with Syrian Civil War word soup- was not an expensive group to set up or maintain and the vast majority of effort has gone into training rather than fighting despite US/ Saudi claims to the contrary. Arms came from the enormous military stockpiles Syria and Yemen, and to an extent Iraq, already had and about the only arms to come allegedly from Iran were the missiles in Yemen (still a lot more likely to be Yemeni Army stocks though, even the Saudis aren't stupid enough to not be able to enforce a blockade on Yemen and if they were the US isn't), a few dozen T90 tanks plus some Toophan TOW knock offs. Even after 5/6 years of war and in a besieged enclave (Ayyash, Deir Ez Zor; two separate links) the Syrian government still had tens of tons of ammo and weapons, in storage, for example. There were one or two examples where Iran definitely spent a fair bit of cash like supplying Fuah/ Kefraya for 3 years, but that's about it. And there wasn't really an alternative there given the moderate head choppers surrounding those two towns and what would likely have happened if they fell. That's also the first I've heard of Iran supporting the Taleban from anyone who isn't named Bolton/ Wolfowicz/ Rumsfeld. Everything I've seen suggests it's the standard since soviet invasion days- support an Ismail Khan or his equivalent in Herat and the shia minorities like the Hazara elsewhere. There's as much value supporting the Taleban in Afghanistan as supporting Al Qaeda in Yemen. Iran's military expenditure is also one of the lowest per capita in the region, not one of the highest. Highly militarised region so it's only comparatively low, of course, but still.
Katphood Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Well, they don't call us the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world for nothing. I know, every smart man knows that the title is actually a whole lot more fitting for the U.S... There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
smjjames Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) In the past when there were all kinds of sheneinighans during the Cold War, probably. But now, no. Though as the world hegenemon, we get targeted anyway. Plus we've done things in the past two decades that haven't helped people in the MidEast view the US more favorably, and I'm not only talking about Israel (though that one is a much longer running issue) If Russia steps up it's influence in the MidEeast, it might end up bringing the attention onto themselves rather than the US. Not that I wish it on them. Also, doesn't Iran primarily rely on it's proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, others) for it's influence abroad rather than expending it's military? Edited August 19, 2018 by smjjames
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