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Yeah, fine. I may accept the fact of Jedi wearing armor (even though I don't like it), since in the EU it's not unheard of. But, what I don't see coherent, gameplay-wise or storywise, is that Jedi robes are treated as armor, but without incurring in the penalties associated with armor. Gameplay-wise, a Jedi PC doesn't need a boost to defense, the game is already easy enough. And story-wise, there's no explaining how a piece of cloth may offer protection against blaster fire... or worse. In fact, in the movies Jedi are often hit by blasters, and it doesn't seem their rags protect them at all. But then again, I may be asking this game to be something it was not meant to be. BTW, how come we always end up hijacking the thread so badly? "

It's been speculated how that could be. Wether PC was stripped of his/her force connection (like Ulic Qel-Droma), or he/she lost the ability to use the force due to not exercising it for a prolongued period of time, much like Kyle Katarn in JKII. Whatever the case, the PC is cut off both from the DS and the LS. I'm now wondering... what's the whole point of starting as a Jedi class if you don't have a lightsaber and you can't use the Force?

I'm not speaking about the materials used to fabricate the robes here. I'm referring mostly to Jedi never wearing any kind of armor. For a Jedi the Force provides all the needed defense. Jedi robes are, as you said yourself, a symbol of the Jedi order, the traditional attire, if you will, but not an armor. Jedi aren't warriors, they are peacekeepers, they have no business wearing armors. Not completely accurate. The only powers that you can't use while wearing armor are Force speed and Force armor, if I'm not mistaken, you can use all the DS powers at your leisure. It makes sense, since it both Force speed and Force armor grant heavy defense bonuses, which added to the armor's defense bonus results in cheese, big time. If you watch carefully, Bandy only uses DS powers and Force immunity, so he's not 'cheating'.

All right. But this is a RPG after all isn't it? You should be allowed to do whatever you felt like (within reason). Anyway, I wouldn't really mind if only Jedi could wear Jedi robes, but it's a long way from there to considering a piece of cloth a +5 armor with max DEX bonus of +8, and an extra +5 to WIS. Darth Bandon's armor was balanced and coherent with the SW universe. Qel-Droma's & SF robes, were not. If the standard clothes had looked like Jedi robes, that's all I would have worn in K1.

It's not the same. Even with invulnerabilty you could still fail a mission. I believe they included it there just so it wouldn't be so utterly frustrating having to fly one mission over and over again. TIE Fighter had some really difficult missions IIRC. That is not the case of KotOR.

Easy for you to say. You don't have to wait two more months. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gotcha.

In fact I hate that idea. It's bad enough that Jedi robes are treated as some kind of special uber-armor which only Jedi can use, it would be reeeeally cheap if you needed a special training to wear them effectively. They are simply clothes after all. Since when did you need training to wear your pants?

Just to knitpick: "Surviving" does not necessarily mean "killing people." Nothing says that the PC wasn't living a peaceful-but-dull existence back on Uncle Owen's farm for those years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ...as well as gaining some nice bantha herder levels in the meantime.

Funny... the first post you make, is to ask about cheats...

This may be a silly question but, why are you all assuming those seven forms are going to be the same that Obsidian will put into the game?

The skipable tutorrial in TSL is while controlling T3. Your character (along with any others on the Hawk at that moment) are lying either dead or dying. T3 is only guy that is able to do anything. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was referring to the Endar Spire in K1...

Agreed. Actually you don't start the game as a lvl 1 char, since after the tutorial you are like lvl 3 or so. You get tons of XP for doing ridiculous things, a clear example of what Silver stated. And a lvl 3 char is pretty powerful compared to your average Joe, not because the 3 levels, but mostly because of the class. Peasants and commoners can't get access to the classes allowed to PCs.

Exactly. I would usually go for a 10 STR (+0) and the highest possible DEX. That way you don't get bonus damage, but you're still pretty good at hitting things, and those +3 or +4 to DEF really help. Then again, that's something that wasn't explained in the manual, IIRC. In the D20 you needed to get a specific feat to use your DEX modifier instead of STR in to-hit rolls. Manuals aren't supposed to be puzzles or bits of info to help 'figure out' how the game works. They are supposed to be sources of comprehensive and detailed info. They used to be, anyway.

It isn't his fault however. Maybe GoA was right after all... :ph34r:

Agreed. That is the main reason why I didn't like that Dark Side much. I would've love to be able to behave like the Emperor in the movies, rather than a simple bad-tempered-launchbox-money-stealing thug. Hopefully the Dark Side will be more appealing this time... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep. Unless your character was a total jerk there was no point in behaving DS. No succumbing to your passions, not reaching out for the DS when in trouble, just plain old mugging n' bullying. Until DS is presented as in the movies or EU (I specially like Anakin Skywalker's downfall), I'll always go LS first.

It's obviously the 'I hear voices whispering' button. :ph34r: Ooh... I'll just go to bed now. Tough day.

Deus Ex, I agree. Deus Ex IW however, was a poor excuse for a RPG, and a boooring FPS.

Yes... my eyes are sore too...

It doesn't make much sense if he decided to leave his old life of killing by becoming... the Mandalore, does it?

Yes. It's called 'XP inflation'. First time you open your inventory screen and TADA! you level up.

Umm... now that you mention it. I believe since I knew the D20 system I had no problems understanding all the penalty/bonus system. But come to think of it, I don't think there was any explanation of the inner workings of the combat system.

That's because Deus Ex IW sucked as a RPG. Don't expect TSL to have such a crappy and linear plot development. And yes, you could get both endings in K1 in just one go, but that didn't allow for full exploration of plot and/or gameplay options.

So, what you're trying to say is, you would replay the whole game again to get to try some new items, maybe a few new fights, but you wouldn't replay it to see the alternate ending and try other gameplay options? Get real.

You have a point. However, you don't have to save the universe. You can conquer it. Now on the other hand, taking over a barn doesn't really qualify as a valid game plot...