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I'm beginning to think that no amount of examples would be enough for you. Remember that 'the Force is for defense and enlightenment, never for attack' babbling? That's what it all comes down to. So you say. The Force is not a law court. It doesn't accept 'mitigating circumstances', there are no intermediate positions. Attacking other beings with the Force is wrong. Not only that, those poor pigs were not in a threatening attitude, either. They were just in his way. If choking them is not DS, then nothing is. So Force lightning some bloke who happened to be in your way, while being in perfect control of your emotions would not be DS just because you are not in anger? Please. If anything, using the Force against others is wrong, because most beings are defenseless against that kind of attacks. Attacking a defenseless being is wrong by my book.

Nov 16, same day as Half-Life 2. Ooooh... that's tomorrow... (w00t)

Is there a point in digging out all the old threads?

That is your opinion. You have nothing canon to support it, while there are plenty of examples which point otherwise. You admit it yourself. Luke used a dark side power. From the moment it harms other living being, it is the DS. I'm glad you finally understand it. Your point being? I never said the Force is light or dark. It depends on how it is used. Again, using it to harm others, no matter the circumstances, is DS.

LOL. Someday you will run into Flash Gordon and then he'll crash your party...

There's other matter, however. There are no examples of Jedi using the Force to harm others, no matter the circumstances, unless they are darksiders. I have provided one example to support my arguments, you have provided none. It turns out the EU is canon as far as it doesn't go against the movies. Moreover, the dark horse comics are defining the main plots of the clone wars, probably on guidelines provided by Lucasfilm. Maybe it's an EU author's idea of how the Force must be used, but as for now, it's canon. I didn't like it very much myself, but my opinion doesn't count when it comes to defining what is SW.

Star Wars: Jedi - Yoda is a comic by dark horse. It's set during the Clone Wars. You want to understand what I'm talking about, read below: There's the evidence you wanted.

Read Star Wars: Jedi: Yoda.

It's better to let others do your dirty work, rather than risking your own neck in potentially dangerous business. Revan learned that the hard way. "

Yeah, it could be a krayt dragon for

I thought it always was 'Wild Speculation Time'. Anyway, there's a flaw in that theory. You know, Bastila could die by your own hand in K1, and nothing at all happened to the PC's connection to the force. If at all, I believe Bastila's turning to LS or DS could affect the PC, but not much more.

Lilarcor... anyone? :ph34r:

Well, if the speculation and the info provided by OXM are accurate, then those are some major spoilers. But then again, you won't know until you play the game.

Haha! A girl? It can be interpreted in so many ways... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LMFAO

If you are referring to any of the D20 sourcebooks, it doesn't say so in any I have read. And I have read most of them... except for the NJO one.

Hmmm, I'm wondering the same thing. Bastilla Skywalker, I hereby officially request you to show us a photograph of yourself. I (and probably a lot of other Star Wars/RPG nerds) am honestly curious about what kind of person a female Star Wars fan is, and more important, how they look <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You sir could certainly use some fresh air. <_<

Yep. I'm guessing a Force ghost appearance whose nature will be determined by the answers you give to Atton. Maybe even the encounter with the ghost of Revan marks your rise as a [insert prestige class here]. That would be a plausible story development and it would solve a lot of practical problems with Revan's appearance. Some fans would be disappointed, including myself, though. Others will just be mad at Obsidian.

Those 'spoilers' are some rumors, some speculation on the author's part, and some info from that OXM mag. Nothing confirmed. I like it better that way. Nice post, though.

The Jedi had a plan for infiltrating Dooku's camp and finding out the identity of the other Sith. It involved Jedi master Quinlan Vos, but it didn't turn out as expected. Just because it's not in the movie doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Vampire Bloodlines is the solution to your problems.

There are degrees of darkness in dark side actions, you know. Attacking an innocent person with a lightsaber is evil. Actions like that change your nature into a soulless person, but not necessarily a puppet of the dark side (think Adm. Karath). Attacking an innocent person with the Force is an evil action performed through the dark side. That makes you evil, soulless, and a slave of the dark side. Attacking an innocent with the Force in anger, not only makes you a slave of the dark side, but also a pawn of your own emotions. In the K2 website you can read 'Your mastery of the DS is only surpassed by your animal rage'. Very enlightening on the nature of darksiders. Using the force to cause harm to living beings, be it directly through choking, lightning, or indirectly, by say, bringing the ceiling down on your enemy, is considered giving in to the dark side. A Jedi can never find an excuse to do that kind of things. In fact you will find that most Jedi masters would rather die (and yes, let others die) than use the Force with ill intent. Now, I can understand the need for some degree of adjustment to these rules in order to make them fit into a cRPG. But going past anything like Force Wave is crossing the line.

Good point. Not only he used the Force to harm others, but it was totally unwarranted. He choked them to get them out of his way. I guess the GM awarded Luke a good set of DS points for that...

Yep. In the D20 you could take an apprentice as soon as you achieved Knighthood, and that was when the sum of your Jedi class levels was 7.

Err... Master Valor added +5 to saving throws AND attributes. Force Armor added +6 to defense and saving throws. That's it.

I believe this was in fact specifically denied by the devs. Look in some of the weekend programmer threads.