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Bearing in mind that I have to save somewhere, no name industry standard or 9/9/9/24, or 7-7-7-20 cas corsair ram might be the place to do it. It costs barely anything, and if the actual performance difference is still negliable and I'm going to be throwing it in storage at my next upgrade anyway.. well.

On the verge of a major shift in technology is a really bad time to be buying I guess Maybe I should just get a DDR 2 compatible board and chuck cheap ram in it to save money. Or, wait it out with my archaic system, but when is Nehalem going to get cheap enough for mere mortals. Christmas, Christmas next year....

Is DDR 3 worth it. I mean if I can get twice as much DDR 2 for the same money and DDR2 is going to be supported well into future nehalem boards ? These are all ifs I'm asking, not telling

So, who knows anything about Ram specifications. This is the test report sheet for the x38 diamond. http://global.msi.eu/uploads/test_report/TR10_1328.pdf As you can see not a whole lot tested compared to what is out there. Is there any real danger in choosing something else, There is a real shortness in the 1333, 2 gb section. I take it the 'DDR' heading is synonymous with FSB, since it goes 800/1066/1333 same as the boards FSB speed options. So I can buy something higher than 1333 mhz, but not lower if I want to run 1333 mzh on the board. However, the price comparison site I am looking at has an array of options. Including the prefixes 'PC', 'PC2' and 'PC3'. I surmise 'PC3 11000' and 'DDR3 SD Ram' is what I'm looking for in the drop down menu, You can see that here http://www.edbpriser.dk/Products/Showsubcategory.asp?ID=37. It's in danish but the categories should be self explanatory. The pricing for similar specifications from different producers vary wildly, I suppose roughly according to timings. Anywho 2 x 2 GB '(4 GB) / DUAL RAM / DDR3 SDRAM / PC3-11000 / 1375 MHz / ? Bit /' is a listing for two kingston 2 gb sticks. Will that run happily at 1333 fsb, and OC to 1375 fsb ? I wonder if I should look at another board. Don't want to order all this stuff and not even get the board to post.

I just noticed it weighs 20 kilograms - EMPTY lols.

So, this is the 'monster from the blue lagune'. http://www.antec.com/uk/productDetails.php?ProdID=09191# It has a few positive reviews, although you should be cautious of impartiality of price comparison sites. The Zalman PSU alone costs half of what I would pay for this PSU+Case. It's a two in one PS split in a 650 watt for the mobo and PCI cardds and a 550 watt for the drives and the rest. http://www.antec.com/pdf/flyers/Neo-link_flyer.pdf Now comes the hard part. Is this sufficient for new cards in Sli/Crossfire. Is it going to last me a long time. I read something about the PCI connectors needing to be 'running on a dual rail' in the PS thread. I have no idea what this means. My guess is that this combo is better than a single 850 watt because they share the load. The case has the HDDs isolated from the board for more efficient cooling and materials designed to lower noise. The way I see it there is not very much to save by getting a Zalman or quatro 850 watt + another case, and this way at least I know the internal cables are going to be a snug fit.

Now I'm torn, trying to figure out if I should hold out for a 4870x2, counting my money. I bloody knew this was going to happen

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, with electricity potentially lethal. Fortunately I don't know a damn thing.

Waht...

I guess this has something to do with the magic that is electricity, more specifically grounding. Why she didn't get more seriously damaged that is.

Screwing a company while you are leaving creates a bad impression that may stick, nothing wrong with playing out all your options before you are hired.

Morality is not an emotional response, it usually entails hard choices with no immediate benefits. Thats not the same as sympathetic neurons making you feel glad when you see a smile and distressed at pain. That would be empathy, the most important building block of human socialisation. You might say Morality is the long view. I'm not sure what I'm responding to, but I thought it was an interesting differentiation.

I'm remembering that scene from the Matrix where the Frenchie says 'Morality is an illusion created between those with power and those without.' Who is he quoting again, Nietzsche ? Anyway, morality is an abstract, you decide if it means anything to you. Fortunately a lot of people wind up thinking just that.

Apples and oranges. Getting away with it is not the same as being right.

I'm thinking I want a case too. I like Antec, thats what I have now, a big unwieldy case with plenty of unobstructed airflow and space that doesn't make a lot of noise, just the way I like it. The ones that come with a PSU are usually good value, unfortunately theres a huge gap between the 1200 watt monster from the blue lagune and the rest. Zalman makes gorgeous cases that are unfortunately way out of my budget.

He's a 15 year old kid, not a terrorist mastermind. Jeez.

I would probably be jumping for joy, if I were 13 years old.

To clarify I should say that the 'C0' stepping matches what I found on intel (some of it) and there is no listing on 'E0' which might be an oddball not produced in any great number. This is promising as far as I can see.

I like the MSI because it supports DDR 3 SD ram, which is what I want if I'm to salvage it later.

So i'm on Intel and according to them 'E0' is not a valid stepping. Which is odd. http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx...c=&OrdCode= However, armed with the local retailers product number, I find that it matches what Intel calls the 'Box order nr'. Well one of them, because of course there is two, and the other one doesn't match mine from the retrailer Retailers supplied product nr BX80570E8400 On intel : Box Order Code: BXC80570E8400 BX80570E8400

Yeah, but I don't want to buy a combo thats not verified to work.

Ok so I looked at this MSI, remember it's not expected to last through an upgrade so I might as well save where I can. Going with an x38 rather than a x48 chipset. http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=prodcp...p;cat3_no=#menu This is all the cpu info I have for the one i'm looking at : Core 2 Duo E8400 3 GHz / Socket 775 / 1333 MHz / 6 MB L2 / 72.4

yeah typo. Anyway looks nice

Also, will any chipset that is on the crossfire ready list from ATI accept the cards. Is there some special feature or designation in PCI express that must be present. I ask because the Radeons are called PCI-E-A series and the Nvidia cards PCI-E-N series - but I'm having trouble finding that differentiation when I'm looking at board they just list the number of PCI E and PCI 32 slots. Is the PCI E slot just where the graphics card goes ?

Look at the sound chart, the numbers for 4800 and 4870 are about the same