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Core 7 is comming out probably late fall, if you can wait that long the older mobos and processors will be dirt cheap. Great opportunity for getting the most out of your money.

It's very innocent, perhaps a la Calvin and Hobbes, but it's so well made you don't care that it's 'for kids'. It's a fantasy story about a war involving dragons and lost heirs, but mostly you just fall in love with the Bone cousins. You can get the whole series compacted on the cheap, or just buy one of the first compilations to see if it's for you.

I'm a bit strange in that for a comic to interest me there has to be something about the linework that draws me in. Mike Mignola did the excellent Hellboy series, no fault of his it was turned into a kid's movie with Ron Pearlman, not half bad movie either, and he did something called Fafred and the Gray Mouser, and a novel called Ironwolf and the fires of the revolution. I notice a lot of vintage stuff on people's lists. I guess you haven't been keeping up either. I mean I like Miller's Daredevil as much as the next guy, but it's pretty old, and showing it too. If you haven't already, get Jeff Smith's Bone. It's hilarious and awesome all at the same time.

This is my budget system from the long running build thread. Processor Core 2 Duo 3 Ghz . E8400 6 MB Board. Asus Maximus Formula, republic of gamers edition. Ram 2x 2048 MB Dual Mushkin Xtreme. DUAL RAM / DDR II SDRAM / PC2-8500CL5 / 1066 MHz GFX Saphire HD 4850 Sound Soundmax extreme fx, this is from the makers of the pretty unimpressive onboard solutions, but this particular card is quite excellent, comparable to much more expensive name brand cards. HDD Samsung SpinPoint T166 - 750 mb CD/R SalvagedIDE PSU& Case Atech P190

I have a 4850 and it runs very hot, but it\s rated to be hot, no artifacts although I actually burned my skin on it while installing a soundcard. When I get the other one for crossfire I might consider doing that, as well as putting another case fan in near the cards. Although messing around with tiny components on a circuit board with a screwdriver, that sounds pretty terrifying.

So one last update, after I discovered that all the fans in the case can be regulated from the outside, and set the CPU fan lower. The thing runs very silent, the quietest system I have ever had, you would have to look at the front LEDS to even know it was on. I can then flick the fans to a higher setting when doing an extended gaming session. I can heartily recommend this case. One small worry is that the maximus formula northbridge runs very hot, it hovers around 42-45 degrees, making it the hottest component in the system by more than 10 degrees. Maybe the big passive coolers means it doesn't benefit as directly from the four case fans.

I miss the bots, they are somehow more easy to accept than someone trying to plug something with no relevance whatsoever in his first post.

I am philosophically disinclined towards animated gif avatars, unless its something very subtle, and it never is.

It\s because you can waltz through primary education without applying yourself, so no one takes it too seriously. At least thats the case here.

Ahh brilliant, I found it, in a sub menu of a sub menu, that made a huge difference in noise set to autoadjust performance mode. >_

So I couldn\t wait and I bought the arctic cooler off him, and well, it kinda destroys the whole concept of big slow moving fans on the mobo . It is louder than the stock cooler, but cheap, I can get another cooler if I decide its too annoying. It shows 23 degrees in the bios and 15 degrees in windows. Sadly it does not appear that maximus formula has fan RPM controls. Or can set a target CPU temperature, I guess this is because it\s basically an enthusiast oc board, and not concerned with noise.

I\ll be honest, I mostly remember people from their avatars. Hell I can\t remember the names of half the people I work with and I\ve been there for a year. >_

According to what I have been able to find out, you are all wrong. No only is 65 degrees not high, it is in fact the default target temperature set by most 775 socket motherboards. What that means is that if the cpu is below 65 degrees the temperature control unit will automatically reduce the fan speed untill it reaches 65 to reduce noise. This fits perfectly with what I have observed if, as Bokshi says, the cpu is under full load while observed in the bios and affected by power saving mechanisms while in windows. You might think it sounds like a lot, but thats just an overclocker\s subjective opinion. The processor is rated to run at 65. It all depends on the exact stepping and model of the CPU. This is an overclocked example of my processor from a a core 2 temperature listing at Tom\s hardware forums. Example 2: Duo Tcase = 25c Idle, 60c Load (SpeedFan: CPU or Temp x) Tjunction average Core = 29c Idle, 67c Load (SpeedFan: Core x) Ambient = 22c Chipset = P45 CPU = E8400 CPU Cooler= Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Frequency = 4.0 Ghz Load = Prime95 - Small FFT`s - 10 minutes Motherboard = Asus P5Q Deluxe Stepping = C0 Vcore Load = 1.325 http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/221745...mperature-guide This is from the manual of an artic cooling Freezer 7 I borrowed. All of our socket 775 coolers come with a pwm controller chip in the motor according to intels specifications, This allows the BIOS to to control the fan precisely. In case the fan is not regulated according to CPU load respective temperature, enter the BIOS. Most socket 775 mainboards offer a target CPU temperature. Set it to 65

Justice for Yang Peiy NOW !!!11

China deserves bashing, its a one party state. Since when did we get all touchy feely about calling a dictatorship what it is.

This was supposed to be a budget system, where did all my money go all of a sudden.

Im getting one of those Zalmann Copper Jobs, they look so beautiful it's almost a shame I dont have one of those gamer porn cases with glass doors to show off all the LEDs.

Oddly enough asus PC probe, which is bundled with the mobo, has the CPU at 43 cel. The Bios has it at 62. Both are asus, who is right...

Well I guess another cooler is in order. I suppose all the wiggling around get the damn thing to fit ruined the termal coating. Intel idiots. Any recommendations here

Well everything posted, no sudden death moves from the hardware. The CPU registers as 62 degrees celcius while idle in the bios, the auto shutdown temp set by the mobo is 90 degrees celcius. Is this this an acceptable temp ? Couldn't install though, the ancient CDRom was detected, but it couldn't spin up. It gave a few unsavory noises and just stopped, works just fine when I put it back in this box. I thought about installing over a network, but I have no drivers installed on the new box, so that can't work. I guess a cheap CD/DVD drive is the next move.

Better keep a close eye on temps when I post and have a look at the bios

It's more like a random smudge on the top of the fan+heatsink now after fidgeting with the plastic snap on assembly of the cpu fan. Whoever thought that was a better idea than a set of screws ought to be shot in the heat.

Do you put thermal paste on the back of a core 2duo. The pamphlet is in a dozen languages and is exclusively legal mumbo jumbo, there are some drawings, and they don't show it, but who knows. The back of the cooler, intel boxed, has a sort of striped pattern in gray goop that looks like it might be thermal conductor.

The nosferatu particularly active ?. You don't want to invite the wrong person in.

Why the need for many reflective surfaces ?