Chilloutman

yeah, just settle on that i dont like guns in fantasy games

A little, i am curiouse why they would leave such culture if magic was real - no need to move to technology, thats the point. But now we are probably going into evolution discusion and its really OT

I dont think they arent, but not that shamanistic primal magic, but more priest like or just clasical mage (aka mystic, astronomer etc). at least it doesnt seems like fit their culture. but I think we are getting quite OT here

Why do you figure the Vailians used to have druids and shamans but stopped believing in them? As far as I know, Italians or their cultural predecessors (Romans, Etruscans, Greeks) never did. They encountered Gaulish (Celtic) druids, of course, and reported on them -- just like the Vailians are (presumably) encountering Glanfathan druids. (If you think that Renaissance people didn't believe that magicians couldn't cast real spells, by the way, you'd be mistaken. Witch trials went on looong after the Renaissance.) ok not druids but their equivalent in their culture - eg. witches, sorcerers, seers pretty much anyone able to cast spells, doubt that there is culture which didnt practised any magic. And yes witches were there many years after renesaince and people belived that they can curse them etc, but never relly seen them casting physical manifestation of it. And as I already stated before - Church make them evil devil doubling persons, if there were not Church, they would be recognized as seers, druids, shamans etc.

That sounds awesome, and great fun, I'd have paid money for it if it was'nt for the fact that it'd come loaded with online DRM; Origin or Steam. I am quite ok with Steam, at least they sell all games, but closed platform like Oriign is no go for me

read post above

a little, problem is that more advanced culture should know that druids doest really cast spells are more like charlatans, which is not true in PoE settings, their magic is real and its strange that one culture would probably have in previouse era druids, shamans but for some reason stop belive in them even tho they really can cast real spells

Completely agree, alchemists, astrologers, saints could be good classes for PoE age period, but I am talking about druids, chanters and barbarians now which I have hard time imagine in renesaince era

So why there have to be equivalent of firearms, renesance clothing, weapons, colonization etc.

Why couldn't gunpowder and the crafting of firearms be similar trade secrets? Can be, but then some classes are out of time period - druids, barbarians, chanters.... In real world first firearms in europe where around 15th century, that time anyone acting like shaman or druid would be burned on stick for heresy and demonogy. Church got monopol on miracles - so only 'real' sience was allowed (and sometime they burned them anyway if it was too ahead of time )

Well you dont need much knowledge about basic mechanics or metalurgy and even if they do it can be secret transfered from generations. I see relation in todays word. A lot of people can use things they dont know how works, they dont need to know it to use it. For example not everyone can build computer but a lot of people know how to use it. It can be considered as 'magic' even its not. On other hand thats why I like when fantasy stays in dark ages. Enjoying that conversation guys, keep it comming and sorry for my poor english, too lazy to do spell checks

No, Faust was historical. I don't believe real-life medieval magicians could throw fireballs or control plants either. If pseudo-medieval fantasy magicians are legit, why do they suddenly stop being legit when 1400 rolls along? Ah I think they still can roll in 1400, what I think is that there will not be much 'real' scientific or technological progress if those 'mystics' really have magical powers instead of few tricks and knowelidge about real chemistry/herbology/astronomy etc.

Or ALCHEMY for that matter. Alchemy which works is plain chemistry/herbology

How is Renaissance with magic a "mash-up?" Our real Renaissance had the likes of Nostradamus, Paracelsus, and Faust -- these are as close to wizard archetypes as you can find in real history, fer cryin' out loud. well faus was quite plain christian heretic because he make pact with devil and it was literature figure only if I remember correctly. Nostradamus was astronomer and doctor, dont know what it have to do with 'fireballs or controling plants'

I do understand - I think your feelings about the "issue" are exaggerated. Maybe, thats just my sense for 'atmosphere' or styling. I dont like mesh-ups. With ''you dont understand'' I meant that I dont know why you thinked that I dont like diverse classes (or more of them). On other hand I am quite looking forward to Numenera, where 'magic' and science will mix up, but settings have some interesting explanations on how those things exists

I stated that in PoE is magic quite common so there is probably no need for scietific research as most people would instead of eg. engineer call mage/shaman/druid to make them magical car, flying carpet etc instead of creating mechanical one. But it is just my opinion. IF magic would exist in real world and was quite common I think we would be using it instead of science - who would buy car which consume costly fuel if you can have magical one? Even guns dont make sence since you can summon bullet from thin air and by use of telekinesis thrust it on your oponent

Seems crashes I am having are because of my dual monitor setup, I was able to play yesterday if I run only game and nothing else on second monitor

I have feeling Hassat got hands in that mode I will judge myself

I am so tempted to post cynical response to this xD but on more seriouse note, yeah faith is one thing, but did someone actually see how someone summon angel/undead/whatever? because it seems in PoE there is magic quite common and 'real'

Ooo you understand me wrong in this regard, I am all for more races/classes, I just dont like mix of real science (guns, machines) in world where people can command plants and summon deamons (exception is Arcanum which was perfect in this regard - machines overtaking magic, and it was perfectly described by lore eg. magic disrupt natural science (gravity, electricity etc) and machines not work near it)

While I agree with you on PS:T is highlight on companions for Obsidian I have to say that there were only 3(4) classes in game and all companions where pretty unique (I only didnt like Modron), In NWN you can have only 3 or 4 people in party. I would like to have more party members availible for PoE. But I will have to deal with it.

That's very true, I live in a country where the vast majority of rural people still go to a witchdoctor for medical remedies In Africa there are many examples of people who believe in shamans and other types of mysticism. For example in Nigeria the police arrested a goat as they were told that the goat was a person who used black magic to change shape to avoid capture http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127012/Police-arrest-goat-accused-armed-robbery.html Yeah right, but majority of planet population would rather pick gun that stick from shaman for their protections. I mean there is difference in what some guys which doesnt have education belive and what is actually working even if you dont know how. AKA AK-47 baby. If those shamans are so strong why there are 'fighters' using guns?

Well, I am curently sentinel for max skills, dont know if follow watcher or pick something else

Cool, yesterday I played it for like 5 hours without issue, today I load it up and it crash after few seconds, argh! I also noticed that steam set up automatic updates to yes even when I set it to not update it. Dont know what to do know, if its ¨update it¨ or if there is other reason...

hmm now I am torn, go with single blade or 2 blades? as sentinel I will probably not have those cool feats as weaponmaster for dual wield. Do I get bonus to single blade at least?