Mamoulian War

because i had interest in buying it... and was getting more info about the game before i made a purchase... and now i am happy that i did some research, because it saved me 60 bucks

i wonder if you had the same words about it if you got the boot from your job... kicking out 1500 people and then purchasing something for 300 millions... says a lot about the culture of the company...

I am wondering how long until they remove the authentification from them and the DLCs become unplayable

for you it might be effective marketing, for me it is dealbreaking issue... there is reason why i never watch TV stations, which do have commercials in middle of movies... they do break the immersion for me as much as stuff for real money NPCs in computer games... But yes it is effective marketing in a way... it effectively saved me 60 EUR It must be hard for you to find interesting things in life if one little annoyance can deprive you of the entire game experience, such an extreme reaction. I am enjoying my life a lot, because, i do not need to purchase everything shoved down my throat, i have a lot of other things to do. Even in gaming there is so much to purchase, that i do not care if i will miss a game or two i'd like to purchase, i have made a lot of principles during my life and i stand fully behind them, one game will not change that... As Alan mantioned, the NPCs are not only things that did convince me not to buy the game, I was thinking a lot about buying it, but 3 things had put me into dont buy at release date 1) it's EA game 2) marketing campaing 3) the possibility of draconian DRM The built in game advertisement (or however you wanna calll it), is just the final info on the game, which convinced me that i have made right decision of not buying it... And i am not regret this decision at all. My wallet has voted.

same for me... i purchased all expansion packs for all games that i own and have released it... the difference between DLC and Exp pack is in most cases very big... you usualy get more fun for same money from exp packs for you it might be effective marketing, for me it is dealbreaking issue... there is reason why i never watch TV stations, which do have commercials in middle of movies... they do break the immersion for me as much as stuff for real money NPCs in computer games... But yes it is effective marketing in a way... it effectively saved me 60 EUR

I was going to express my mild dismay and surprise that the short-term narrow-minded 'dont like it dont buy it dont care' view is still tanking ahead (and that's not an insult to HK or anyone, because 'narrow-minded' isn't slander if it's true for a particular argument), but I think I posted my point on this a couple of weeks ago. So: prevalent business models and industry practices effect every potential consumer. Also, major changes in a way the game is sold and developed will eventually have an impact on way games are planned, made, priced, etc, and thus is a relevant topic of debate and concern to potential and real customers. Awoo-ga. Amen! Not to mention that NPC in medieval roleplaying game, asking for your credit card number is one of the most retarded immersion breaking features to any game, that i ever heard about... I am now happier that i decided not to buy DA even more...

yes, yes, that's because piracy and 2nd hand market is killing the industry...

this was actualy meant for people who enjoy multiplayer over single palyer in FPS

for anyone who is still thinking about buying MW2 for PC, i recommend you to read whole article!!! http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11...you-thought.ars

and another interesting article on Ars Technica about the issue of P2P and copyright holders with very interesting citation, from people in music bussiness and the European Commissioner for Information Society and Media - Viviane Reding. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...a-hard-sell.ars

Disclaimer: This is my personal oppinion and might not be correct, if you agree or dont' i will not go further into the discussion, because i do not want to turn this into flame war and do not want to get the thread closed. The reason why i think China is so fast pacing is that they do not care about any sort of patens, they take an idea which is successful and most of the time they innovate and they offer it that way. This is very helpful to the nation and their industrial growth as a whole (this works better for centralized government like China has, than for a country with "lobbycracy" and "free market"), but not very helpful to the people who spent initial time to develop the original idea... No copyright/patents at all is imo not very good idea, the people who are working hard on inventing the stuff should be able to get the money invested back and make some profits. But the way how the system works now is completely ridiculous, 12 year patent protection for pharmaceuticals, which can save lives, versus 100+ years copyright protection to everyone who just gets a blowjob and puts it on a DVD...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/20...pyright-law.ars very interesting read and look from different perspective on purpose of current copyright laws, written by a copyright lawyer who is in this bussiness for 27 years...

Now i found that they even offer Digital Download Collector's Edition... This is extremely ridiculous... yeah this sort of collector's edition will realy shine in my shelf near my Night Vision Goggles, PIP-Boy and Yo****aka Amano's artwork... EDIT: And please make something with your bad word filtering thingie... if it filter's out the name of one of the best japanese game artists, there is something wrong

yes that's what we realy need... monthly subcription to be able to play single player games... The only thing we need now, is the introduction of downloadable End Boss fights!!! "Did you enjoy the game, now we offer to you, the possibility to beat it for only 10$ Buy now the End Boss DLC, from our online store!!!" </sarcasm off>

looks like you never met real ex-USSR or ex-yugo mafia... be happy about it... i would say the chance of some of them killing you, me or any other western world inhabitant is about 100x higher than any terrorist killing you or me... Not much, in CS for example you had Airport level, where you could as a terrorist kill innocent hostages...

Never heard of Counter-Strike and Command and Conquer Generals?

and then everybody will start to cry that ISPs are killing the game industries, because they demand extra money for using their tubes, while ignoring the data caps same situation as with classical retailers, but i bet my left nut, that ISPs would want to have even bigger cut of the pie than retailers

All i can say is, that i wish you all luck to sell games like Forza Motorsport 3 or Uncharted 2 through digital distribution to all the people with 10GB per month data caps...

And yes, i have forgotten one more thing to say, which makes me wonder everytime i think about it, about publishers/developers business sense... with digital only you are killing one profitable bussiness model aswell, media renting... Mr and Mrs Average do not have a clue nor give a damn about digital delivery, but would be happy to spent some cash while going to WalMart/<insert your big local shopping centre name here> rent for his kiddie Joe Average Jr. some games for few dollars... PS3 is out for 3 years and is still uncracked, so if you guys would rather stop bitching about how hard to code it is for PS3 and finaly learn how to do it properly, and rather used all the money and effort you spent on destroying 2nd hand market, into working rental system, you could have already collected few billions <insert your favourite currency here> on royalties, in these 3 years. but yeah, i bet, this lost opportunity is accounted into piracy and second hand sales when you show your annual bottomline to your shareholders, right? EDIT: It is realy ridiculous, how long is your business whining about piracy, and when someone offers you crack-proof (at least until now) all you do is whine about how hard it is to code for... Man just have to wonder how serious is the piracy threat to your business, when you are wasting this opportunity...

sorry but for that you have guilt on your shoulders aswell, the problem of the industry is not only piracy and second hand sales, but lower and lower quality of software produced aswell... you see the same in music and movie industry. If consumers don't see a value in the product they purchased, they are more likely to sell it second hand... it goes for all goods, not only software!!! until you notice that, going 100% digital will not save the publishers, it just makes people spend less money on new goods, because frankly, if you sell your old stuff for 10-30 EUR, you are more likely to buy new stuff for 50-60EUR... unless you change the prices of new digital only software to 10 - 20 EUR maybe even less, you will harm only yourself... 2nd hand market makes adds brings loads of cash into 1st hand sales aswell, and looks like only gaming, music and movie industry is not seeing it, for whatever reason... if i sell my used car for 10000 EUR i am more likely to add another 5000-7500 EUR into the pool and buy me new car... same for games, movies, music, consoles, TVs, just different prices... 2nd hand market is aimed for the less fortunate people with lower income, especialy in the time of crisis, and think whatever you want, these people are powerful market aswell, helping to fuel more fortunate people with higher income, but not high enough to spend 50 EUR on new entertainment each month... if you take away their possibility to sell their games seconhand, they just say themselves "**** YOU, I AM GONNA BUY ME AN IPHONE, THEY HAVE GAMES FOR 10EUR EACH I DONT NEED YOUR 50EUR DIGITAL ONLY **** WHICH I CAN'T SELL" to blame everyone else, except myself, is always the easiest thing for humankind to do... edit: more and more people are in these rough economical time just waiting to buy Platinum/Game of the Year/Budget versions of games... even Gabe Newell admited at some time, that most sales they see, is when they do make special sales offer for 10 USD or less...

Nope. I'm not asking you to like it, I'm telling you what's happening. The industry is sick of the killing that retail is making HENCE, digital delivery avoids retailers, so its one less person taking a munch of the pie. and retail is sick of companies going digital... with no retail, no consoles, so suck it up, like all other industries which have to live with second hand sales, i dont see a reason why software or music should be the only exceptions allowed... and besides one or two more DRM server shutdown and you can bet your ass, European Commission and their US counterpart will have big drama running about it, because of the first sale doctrine, which is in almost every civilised world law... and on other half the future of internet in the eyes of every single ISP are download caps... good luck with digital distribution with harsh caps like most of EU and Australia/New Zealand have

Or 1TB big BluRay Discs, which works on current hardware, and can play 1080p video with uncompressed sound, without any delay or prebuffering

QFT

I can say the same about FO1 and FO2...

Does that mean, that we get something which punish us for playing recklessly in comming Obsidian Games aswell ???