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Okay, the Olde testament God is the same God in the NT. Read Malachi and you will see why He stopped being active in the world. He has justly left us to our own devices. Malachi was written, and then i think 300 years later John the Baptist comes along saying that the Messiah has come. the 300 year period drought in the Bible makes sense to me, since God finished what He needed to say in Malachi until the next relevant event (very relevant, that is, Jesus). Now THAT is my kind of signature

There shouldn't even be an argument, he totally did that on purpose. at any time he could've stopped his force lightning from killing himself and used a force push instead or something.

First, i would like to apologize to Kumq for spamming up his thread with religious debate. and now for the apologetics: They never accepted Him though, so the fact that they reject Him means they never had Him, so they aren't children of God by faith, but they have always been children of God by the law, but we all know that the law cannot save one from their sins, since all have sinned and one sin=death according to the law. so their status as children of God by the law is only to serve as an endtime reminder that they rejected their own Messiah and aren't saved unless they accept Him. I do accept that you have to "accept Jesus into your heart" (i.e. believe that He payed the penalty for your sins and accept His sacrifice for your own acknowledged sins) in order to become a Child of God. But like i said in the previous paragraph, just because Jews are born children of God by the law doesn't automatically cause them to accept Jesus. Many haven't, some have. Why would Peter minister the gospel to the Jews if they were already saved? it is because they weren't already saved. They still needed Jesus like the gentiles did, and like everyone else did. just wondering, in what ways do you think he is lazy and incompetent?(so that i can refute as a Christian with the reason why i don't think He is lazy and incompetent)

very well then Walsy, i will start a new thread with my previous post so as to give context. Edit: The Religion + Other Views Thread

They never accepted Him though, so the fact that they reject Him means they never had Him, so they aren't children of God by faith, but they have always been children of God by the law, but we all know that the law cannot save one from their sins, since all have sinned and one sin=death according to the law. so their status as children of God by the law is only to serve as an endtime reminder that they rejected their own Messiah and aren't saved unless they accept Him. I do accept that you have to "accept Jesus into your heart" (i.e. believe that He payed the penalty for your sins and accept His sacrifice for your own acknowledged sins) in order to become a Child of God. But like i said in the previous paragraph, just because Jews are born children of God by the law doesn't automatically cause them to accept Jesus. Many haven't, some have. Why would Peter minister the gospel to the Jews if they were already saved? it is because they weren't already saved. They still needed Jesus like the gentiles did, and like everyone else did. just wondering, in what ways do you think he is lazy and incompetent?(so that i can refute as a Christian with the reason why i don't think He is lazy and incompetent)

you are probably right i already think the verses you speak of are in the Bible. but that's in the OT. however, even if it still applies, Jesus tells His believers to love others, all others, and that this is the second greatest commandment under loving God. and you love God by loving others, so that works out well. and you shouldn't love others in order to get rewarded, because after this one parable Jesus tells His followers: Luke 17:10 "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'" it is only what we ought to do, but God will still reward those who serve Him anyway because He is gracious that way and knows that it is hard to do. i am just saying that Christians who think they should be doing good things exclusively or especially to Jews are in the wrong, because #1- Jews are not the only chosen people anymore, #2- Jesus says to love others and doesn't say 'love only Jews' or 'love Jews specifically', #3- Bush makes mistakes... and so does everybody. you might say, "but his mistake is egregious", however, so are other people's mistakes. drop your armchair judgementality and actively try to change things if you want them different so badly.

What pass on his genetics or die ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oh, it said die? i stopped reading when it said "pass on my genetics"

ah, the plot thickens. Kaf had a pic of himself? or was it from that show that Schmarth was talking about? if the show, then Kaf is watching the same show that Schmarth says is the, "only one Launch ever seems to refer to". Is there a connection or is it coincidence? maybe Kaf and Launch started the joke when they discovered that they both enjoyed the same show. however if Kaf's pic really was himself, which i think it was, then he should get a haircut. wait, he did!

agreed. so if one does something good to a chosen one of God, that is Christian or Jew, then you believe that they will recieve rewards/retribution? EDIT: lol, oh i see what you are saying, you are excluding Christians from children of God. and you are using juxtapose when saying one is a choice and the other is by birth. okay, then disagreed. we will never resolve this probably, but i still would like to see your verses for blessings when one does something good to the chosen people and then verses that refute who i say children of God are (i.e. christians and Jews).

funny picture, i thought it was one of yourself or something, because on that "your own picture thread" i remember somebody looked like that. I don't know where she is... but i miss her.

but which ones are they? anyway, i think it is the same, for here is another verse that backs up what i am saying: John 1:11-13 He [that is, Jesus] came to His own [that is, Jews], and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God , even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. Note that God gave his believers "the right to become children of God"

okay, here it is in better context. i don't see how this is confusing. Paul is talking about Christians, or sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. maybe you are talking about the last sentence in these verses. but you should note that it is conditional, "if you belong to Christ, then you are..." Galatians 3:26-29 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

oh, i don't think that... i don't know how one could earn brownie points by helping israel out other than that it is helping someone. but is it hurting someone at the same time? i don't know. but i do know that the Christians who think that God differentiates between Jews and non-Jews are wrong: Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

But i think he is actually a she. because i was under your belief until a month ago when i said something like you did and then mothie told me he talked to launch about my consistent misconceptions of launchie's female gender. Then also, when i believed she was a he, i was always amazed at his ability to know things that seemingly only girls would know. although i once adopted the belief, "everyone online is a guy until you see them in person", i am more influenced that launch is a female. here is my case: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=492916 http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=492049 http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=492041 lonewolf and metadigital think so too: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=492523 http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=492283 then scroll to mothie's right below that ^ and here is what i will do now: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=492483

please don't...

i'm surprised that Manaan is thought of as second worst in this poll. i really enjoyed it. you have the Genharaadan or however you spell that, the court case, the sith base, and the luny guy in the locker that says "here fishy fishy! you will never get me in here!! HAHAHA" and then you choose the option (insert lightsaber into locker) and he goes "AAAAAAAAAAAAA!" and falls out You get to save a sith lord that will try to kill you no matter what at the end of the game? i think if it was shorter or had more npc's on it, it would've been better. and after you play through once you know what happened to the miners. so to have to play through the same alright mystery again and again is boring for me. replayability comes into play here

As a kid Gambit was my favourite character in the x-men. i am not exactly sure why... but i wish they'd have him in the movies with his exploding cards and bo-staff.

good stuff Kumq

thx battlewookie.

When you aren't secretly in love with one of the characters

i wish... it would have made the story better. Anakin believed that was what was going on, that and maybe more that they were conspirators against the empire he was now a fanatic for. maybe they should have had a scene where Obi cries for Padme when she dies. that would have made it better i think. and have him shown holding back his tears and trying really hard to control his sorrow as jedi would, but then he would break down. that would have gotten Lucas an emmy or two

Also, she says in one of her five dialogue paths that her master showed her the surface of the planet devoid of life. and i think that also contributed to what broke her into being a slave to Nihilus. Her story is actually slightly completed when you are on Nihilus' ship and you walk next to her meditation room. edit: i thought everyone got that cutscene, it'd be hard not to, but i might be mistaken...

If somebody had a belief that was very strange but their actions were only good, why would that disgust you? it disgusts you because they are doing good for reasons they believe to be good? i have a close christian friend who prays for persecution so that he can glorify God more. edit: i edited my post previous to this one, and thought it said something i wanted you to read... double edit: i will step away for now for the sake of the forum. if you would like a parting jab at me, or just to continue the debate, the PM system is ideal for these purposes.

they are dangerous, if used that way. however, i would not use them that way. also, as you said, if they're dying as martyrs on Jihad and they think its a fast track to heaven and all those virgins, then they have a totally different motivation than me. I just want eternal fellowship with God. No, it really isn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> of course, that is because you don't agree with me. if you agreed with me then it would obviously. why? just curious. i don't want to be disgusting for the wrong reasons. but if i am disgusting for things that i believe (christians should always be joyful because of the hope they have for salvation) then you must think Jesus was disgusting: "John 15:18-19 (Jesus talking to His followers) If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you."

You will excuse me if I dont find your attitude particularly funny since those comments are based on real events that occured during WWII. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i am happy because i and my family would be going to heaven. it is actually disappointing that others don't have the same attitude.