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if that means that OE rocks, then agreed

ah, good point and very true. HOWEVER, if you look at the 9/11 terrorists you see that they weren't just trying to blow up the airplane with a bomb, but they ended up taking the planes to crash into somewhere instead. a marshal with a gun would've been helpful there. but how an actual terrorist could get into a situation where it is "shoot-to-kill" for the marshals and they have time before the terrorist does anything is hard to conceive of. and also i think only innocents will die, since as you said you couldn't spot them in time anyway, so all agreed here

i think he meant that we are literate enough to realize how illegible that Sig was. or that we are literate enough to realize how much that Sig sucked. or most likely he was implying that you would get banned: "not here, you wouldn't"

i would hug you, but your hubby might kick my butt :ph34r:

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> ah, thanks for the quote, i read through half the site and didn't see the miracles. By what power did Buddha do those things though? just by thinking about it or what? the site you linked me to kinda made it evident that the person who made the site was a believer in its content, but still very interesting. ideally i kind of want a totally objective site about it, with more facts present as opposed to basically a storybook. wikipedia is as good as any in that case, but i can't get over the strange feeling of being misled when i read it, since anyone can edit it

Yeah man, like this: Marshal1: are you a terrorist!? terrorist: Muhama Jihad! Marshal2: hey, i liked that movie too. terrorist: MUHAMA JIHAD!!! Marshal1: does that mean he's a terrorist?! Marshal2: oh, well, i don't know... terrorist explodes and kills everyone on the airplane THE END Definitely sounds like a good idea to me...

i refer you to Romans chapter 9. It is your new favourite book of the Bible. it is also Reveilled's favourite too, (i enstated that one for him as well. btw i am just joking about giving people their favourite passages in the Bible, if you didn't notice, but that passage explains for what you are asking) i guess i do Wow, i have never been called the most arrogant deist one has ever known. that is... interesting. but you make me laugh since you claimed i said some things that i did not. for example, i know you can't read minds because i am not propping up my ego, even though i enjoy apologetics, and i think God wants me to present Biblical beliefs to others, and that is why i keep presenting my cases. hey man, i am only claiming what i believe, to be true. others here have done the same. Why single me out? "How are you any better than the colonial Europeans who felt the need to teach the Africans through slavery, oppression, and murder?" this one deserves two lol smileys #1 i am not enslaving anyone #2 i am not oppressing anyone #3 i am not murdering anyone #4 i am not european, although i enjoy the British spelling of words. if i do it wrong somebody please tell me. #5 i am not claiming to be "better" than anyone. i was born into the same sinful nature as everyone else, and all sins separate one from God, so my sin is as bad as your sin (although i allow that there are degrees of depravity that sins have. i.e. to kill somebody is more depraved than stealing a candybar) and we all need Jesus to reconcile us to God. Jesus is the leveler here. if you don't have Jesus, i am still not claiming to be "better", but i am saying you need to be reconciled to God since His wrath is upon you for sinning until then. you said: "If you truly followed Christianity, instead of the limited portions which appeal to your engrossed ego, you would not need to proselytize and would accept that everyone has their own journey to make." #1 i do accept that everyone has their own journey to make what makes you think i don't accept that? **runs around threatening to burn people with a blowtorch if they don't start taking the journey i tell them to**... yeah, i am not doing that. i can't really do that anyway since i don't know how to get to all of you and forcefully delete your "unnacceptable" "of the hearth" ways , needless to say it is opposed to my beliefs to do so. #2 "limited portions which appeal to my engrossed ego". you have a way with words that i admire. but i am really not doing what you say i am, even though it might appear that way to you. #3 here is an analogy that i used in the "cbs poll evolution vs. creationism" thread: If you were at an airport, and a person came up to you and said,"i really think you should check where your luggage is right now, because i believe i saw it get knocked off of the converyor belt." I am saying the same thing to you by presenting my truth, except we are not in an airport, and instead of luggage we are talking about your soul. #4 so i would be dismayed if you knew my luggage was knocked off and didn't even inform me, let alone doggedly beseech me about it.

Whoa, Siddhartha did miracles. i am not familiar about this subject, could you link me to a story or two? Caesar though, may be similar to Jesus in some ways, but the ways he is dissimilar are one hundred times more abundant. So the Shakespeare play about Caesar, i have always wondered how much fact it held, neh? since it is a play. according to the play Caesar's senate betrayed to death by shanks, not on a cross. they would've had to get all the nation of Rome to agree that Caesar needed to be hung in order to get him out there on a cross, since there were so many loyalist soldiers and civilians. Jesus made Himself a king?! this is new to me, since He already was king when He was born . and during His life He was not a king at all like Caesar was. Jesus foreknew His betrayer, whereas Caesar is still in disbelief as he is dying, "Et tu, Brute?" ANYWAY THOUGH, what is your point? there are parallels... theoretically there can be parallels with EVERYTHING i don't get it.

that is why the original hebrew word's translation makes no sense when looking at the context. Like, matthew 1:18-19, "This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly." Yeah, "virgin" is mistranslated there since it is used so many times (i am being facetious IT IS NOT USED THERE). even if one of the words is "virgin" in one of the passages, that doesn't explain all the other parts about the passage that define the fact that Mary was a "virgin". i would say "please, i would appreciate it if you researched for a few seconds about what you are claiming to be 'facts'." however, that would make me sound very full of myself and i don't even know for sure if what you said is wrong. What i do know is that you led us to believe Jesus was not born of a virgin when He actually was...

good sketches, DS. it's cool to see an artist in the making, keep it up.

Well, i looked at Siddhartha and Caesar, and they certainly did not seem like Jesus at all. #1 Jesus claims to be the Messiah, the Saviour sent from God. Caesar does not claim to be one divinely sent. Siddhartha says that being enlightened has nothing to do with deity, but that anyone can become enlightened with enough thought. He emphasised that he was not a god. #2 Jesus does miracles... many of them. too numerous to write (John 21:25). Siddhartha does not do miracles. Caesar does not do miracles. #3 Jesus offers eternal salvation to all who repent and accept it. Siddhartha offers the loss of one's self into something that is basically undefined until you get there. Caesar... was an emperor... #4 Jesus was born of a virgin. Siddhartha and Caesar were born like everyone else #5 Jesus basically kept His ministry centralised around Capernaum. Siddhartha traveled all over india with his beliefs, Caesar ruled an empire. EDIT: and i am barely educated about Siddhartha and Caesar, so if i am wrong please point it out and i'll happily edit it or take back the part that is wrong. Yes and below is why \/ Hebrews 4:12= "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." and i enjoyed your free hot dog story. i think the moral is either that paying for things doesn't matter or that emperors don't abide by their own rules (jk)

oh and one time somebody asked why i use the Bible. it is because it gives more credence to what i am saying, i.e. it's in an old old book studied by many many people, and accepted by many smart people and rejected by many smart people. otherwise it would be like i am coming out with my own thoughts (which are welcome in this thread) and telling you guys them. To me a random person's thoughts on religion aren't as weighty as an integral piece of literature in our society.

... My God is love (1 john 4:. and we (christians) love Him because He first loved us. (1 john 4:19, NKJV) chaos, discord... sounds unharmonious... by definition it is "unharmonious"... The passage you gave talks about "greyface". who the heck is a greyface? That doesn't apply at all to me. and of course you think the Holy Bible is inefficient and "dumb", the Bible even says you would think that: "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." My God's foolishness is wiser than your wisdom, and My God's weakness is stronger than your strength. (1 cor. 1:25) dang that is pretty wise and strong. But no hard feelings. i am just presenting my beliefs. i in no way at all hate you. i am commanded by my God to love you. So i shall do that.

NEVER!!!!!!!

Don't you "..." me young man! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ...

Reveilled, have you even read your favourite passage in the Bible? Romans 9:18-22 "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?" of course, i don't expect you to understand it, because i also believe in this passage that says a whole lot about you guys (replace Greeks with your name)... 1 Corinthians 1:18-25. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

For that matter why bother with creation at all? i believe God made everything to be glorified. you, me, him, her, all of our purposes are to glorify Him. He deserves to be glorified too. He has all the credentials: fairness, omnipotence, omniscience, grace, mercy, etc. forever all that is good. (today's Bible reading: Psalm 8... lol jk, but i am just mentioning that Psalm 8 basically says that the universe glorifies God) I won't claim to know why God does everything He does. I know some things about God but certainly not all. Personally, it makes sense. Wouldn't it mean more to you if you had a wife that actually loved you and chose to love you and therefore assisted you, as opposed to a wife that was programmed to obey you and therefore assisted you?

i believe i obeyed God in offering the truth to others as i believe He has presented it to me. I leave it up to you guys (and i leave it up to God) if you will be changed by it or not.

and sorry Hades, all i can offer you is God as portrayed in the Holy Bible. i can't generate a faith you can believe in for you. that is your decision. at least you are open about this subject though, i appreciate that a lot

oh, i didn't know what you were talking about (i was thinking current events) so you are right about that. He created "correctness" and "correctness" is what defines Him. If you have a different definition of "correct" then i believe it is wrong (i.e. i believe God's definition is right since everything He does defines what "right" is, lol. sin/incorrectness is all the things that that are apart from Him.) That's why He doesn't change His policies... they were right evermore to begin with. However, in expressing your grievances it makes it easier to cope with His commands; and you need to understand that He hears what you are saying to Him and He cares. By telling Him these things you are entrusting Him with your feelings and i believe only good can come from entrusting God with things. Jesus can't lie! It is not in His character to do so, therefore He won't! See below \/ James 1:17 "Whatever is good and perfect comes to us from God above, who created all heaven's lights. Unlike them, he never changes or casts shifting shadows." One thing you might try is asking respectable christians you know about their personal experiences for why they trust God. You can always look at the Bible and see that God never breaks a promise. Democracy is not necessarily "Biblical", it is just a form of government that you deem fair. Say there was a fair ruler, that was always fair, then wouldn't that be the best government? The ruler would know what "fair" was and nobody could change the "fairness" of his choices. If somebody came along and had a different idea that was not fair, he wouldn't accept that unfair idea. Well God is always fair like that, and He doesn't tyrannously control your life, but He offers the right choices to you, regardless of the fact that you know it is right or not. I point you to the passage in the Bible that i told you was your favourite: Romans 9. If the god you believe in is not omniscient, then i wouldn't trust him either, that would be very stupid. like blindly following a random king that did whatever he wanted and didn't know that much. God is different, since He knows better than you do about EVERYTHING and He consistently does whatever He wants as long as it is "right", since that is all He does. Again it comes back to the trust and faith thing. How can you know for sure that God is totally correct about everything? like i said before. examine followers of His Word that are actually obeying Him and see. I also want to ask you to examine your own heart and see what you feel. How can you deny God? agh, i give up for now, i mean, if we can't agree on that then it is kinda pointless for me to keep rambling on.

I enjoy KOTOR's fighting system, where you can pause it whenever you want and do a type of turn-based strategy for a little bit, then switch to real-time and let it simulate, then go and give orders again. or you can just let it go all real-time undisturbed. i like that. turn-based is too unrealistic since you have 1 of the 8 combatants doing something while the others are stuck in a perpetually 2-frame animated "ready-stance". But Kalfear, i agree with you when you say that the developers need to be focusing on the story. that is usually one of the special feature that makes RPG's unique from other games. Also, parties are a must with RPG's for me. i hate it when there are no parties...

you are forgetting MMORPG's

"He was flying with his wife, who during the incident ran frantically after him, allegedly shouting that he was bi-polar and had not taken his medication." poor lady couldn't keep pace with her husband. that, or her frantic screaming was unintelligable.

#1- I don't find harm in the fact that pantheists have little or no interest in conversion. #2- i was not claiming that all should come to "my" truth because it is the only right one. i'm not so arrogant as to think i am totally correct in all my thinking. #3- I said humans are lazy because i was referring to the fact that some people know they are probably not right but they don't attempt to change that. to me, that is disturbing, but whether it is because they are lazy or for another reason, i don't know. i just attributed it to laziness because that was the most logical reason i could think of. #4- "People that spend time attempting to understand life's mysteries tend to have a little deeper understanding of those around them" i wish more christians would do that too. #5- you when you believe you are "right", it takes extra self-control to not force your thoughts upon people #6- if you thought you were "right" and you didn't force your thoughts upon people, then you either think that forcing your thoughts won't help get your point across, or you aren't very convicted of your belief. so assuming most christians are insensitive, we can infer that they at least are very convicted that they are "right". however, i am not limiting the reasons people have for doing things into two different choices, but i think in general this is the case. #7- no, "of the hearth" is not very intimidating to me no. if i could kick my god's butt then i wouldn't think much of his power and i obviously wouldn't think he was right. so why he would be my god is beyond me. God never said that... however, i am not so dense as to only refute you with that stupid response. if you think God is doing a poor job, he does not punish you (that i know of, in the Bible...) He will not cast you into hell if you think he is doing a bad job. i believe that God wants you to express your feelings to Him. Heck, just read Psalms. A lot of them are people feeling that God needs to do something different about certain things. i will take this as humour, because what else it could be escapes me. Jesus is omniscient, like you even say yourself, so who the heck needs a jury when they are judged by Him? Jesus does the job better than anyone else could. No one else is capable of it. You can't impeach God because you didn't elect Him and He doesn't give you that option. trust Him, God knows what is best for you and everyone else. He is not willing that anyone should perish. "omnithatjazz" Reveilled, revealed here is your new favourite passage in the Bible Romans 9:18-22 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

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