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that is very unfortunate if it is true. but even if you are mentally unstable, that is a mighty fine delusion to entertain. i mean, there are some things that are believable, for example "i saw a gremlin on the wing of the airplane. He's trying to bring us down!" but saying you have a bomb and seeing all the marshals come to you and tell you to stop and then you start taunting them by going for the "bomb"? i don't think so.

The reasons this man had to claim that he possessed a bomb elude my mind. When they shot him, i am sure they weren't trying to kill him right off (the article said "wounding the man"). and i think they doubted the fact that he had a remote, since he was reaching for his bag. there is no excuse or good reason for doing what he did. that is too stupid and the marshals responded as their training advised them to.

luke 15:1-3,11b-31 Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying,

anyvays. i will leave now. sorry again about my editing. but just look at it like this, you guys are pointing out a fallacy in my belief and i want to make it right. (Wednesday=Onsdag... interesting)

1. lust is in our nature because we have a sinful nature. 2. we are obligated to do good, so it shouldn't count for us. doing a sin does count against us though, because we are obligated not to. 3. i totally edited most of the points you are speaking against as you were making them. sorry. 4. REALLY SORRY. I WILL MAKE IT A POINT TO HAVE IT TOTALLY RIGHT BEFORE I POST SO I WILL NOT WRITE ANYTHING I WILL HAVE TO EDIT!!!!

i don't know exactly what God will do to them. but i edited my post again and said this, "And like you guys have been saying, how could Jesus judge them automatically as total sinners? Doesn't make sense for a gracious God. so i will just leave with the fact that God is gracious and omniscient and will judge the babies accordingly." edit: and baptism for babies is more of a catholic thing. i don't see how throwing water on a baby will absolve them from their sins in God's eyes it would have to be a decision they made on their own. and since they can't really make it yet, how do you think a gracious God will judge?

You do realise that the idea of humans hanging out with god would be akin to you hanging out with a bunch of ants for eternity... Nice to see you can pick and choose whatever interpretation suits you , just like all the other creators of their own religions. In some circles what you just said would be considered a heresy and thats a fast track trip to hell if ever there was one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> um, no. even catholic theology agrees with what i said. and i am sure any fundamentalist christian group too. this is just stuff you don't hear often because either #1 people don't want to give you the time of day to explain it, or #2 they don't know themselves, or #3 read the bible and see for yourself if you are so incredulous! EDIT: i edited the post i did before this one and a few posts happened since then, so in case you thought you read it all... i ask that you would go back to read it again, since i don't want to post the same thing over and over and become annoying.

When i am saying death, i refer to after you die on earth and come to judgement before Christ: you have sinned and are penalized by eternal separation from God in a pit of fire where satan is going to go and will suffer along with all other non-believers and won't be the king or whatever of that hell. which is a stupid misconception. here is a verse that shows why one should accept Christ so that we can be saved after our life on earth. if you read this in context, you will see that it is making the point that i am claiming it is making. but i hope you can trust my use of scripture as 'in context' since i have done it many times and wouldn't use it otherwise: 1 corinthians 15- "If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied." (because it would be pointless! since He wouldn't be able to save us for eternity! however, he can, so no worries.) Also, you couldn't lock everyone up from birth unless you believed that you are God's supreme hand of judgement. lol. and you wouldn't be Biblically based if you believed that. God will judge us with the same standards we judge others. Matthew 7:2- "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." But search your heart. you know you have sinned don't you? haven't you ever done even one of the following: lied? stolen? lusted after a woman? coveted another's possesion? Used the Lord's name in vain? very hard to believe that you are that rightous. A court won't matter when you are before Jesus in the end. He is the only judge that matters. As for babies, they are born into sinful nature (sorry about before when it just said "sin") because of Adam. Adam was an idiot and sinned, but we would've all done the same thing. we already have sinned and we aren't in his position anyway. here is a verse that supports this: 1 corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." Yeah, it seems unfair that we are condemned to sinful nature from birth, but then there is Christ, through whom all can be made alive, so stop complaining and start believing (jk about the last 6 words, but really, why would it be so bad to accept Christ?) Some people try to make cases for babies who died at an early age saying, "God knows what they would've done in their life". And like you guys have been saying, how could Jesus judge them automatically as total sinners? Doesn't make sense for a gracious God. so i will just leave with the fact that God is gracious and omniscient and will judge the babies accordingly.

i must not have specified: Jesus died for the faithful, which is the means by which the faithful are forgiven!

hopefully while they are milking the dead and rotting corpse of this franchise they will include banshee and gambit as leading characters so we can say they had our favourite characters and they totally messed them up. it'll justify our dislike of it even more

uh, sorry for triple posting... but one big long edited and spliced post is harder to read i think. In answer to the question: God is just. He has laws, we broke them, we are guilty of death. God is good. He provides a means of salvation for us that we do not deserve. What part of this is not good? the fact that God won't say, "well i gave you free will and you disobeyed me, so i guess i will just take my law and screw it." No, instead, He has Jesus satisfy justice for our sins. (a prayer i felt compelled to write) thank you Papa for loving us enough to have your son live a perfect life and die a painful death. we don't deserve it, but we greatly appreciate it. please help us to return thanks to you in our obedience by loving you and loving others.

well, i don't think God's ways are mysterious. lol. i don't think God is wrong at all. i have said a few times before that God is the definition of "good" since He invented it and "sin" is all that is apart from Him. I believe that there is an absolute truth and that people interact with it on a subjective level. and when people agree on certain things and verify them over and over again then it is just as good as truth: i.e. the force of gravity. we don't know exactly what it is, but it seemingly happens to all of us, so we just accept it as a truth.

thanks. if i was never challenged, what good would my faith be?

No. Socrates is not necessary for your worldview. Jesus is necessary for my worldview. if socrates was necessary for your worldview, then i would pity you, but i would still respect your views. What the idiot psuedonym was saying in my other post was random things all conglomerated into one that suited him best. at least my worldview is backed up with a thousand and a half year old book that many smart people believe in. i also feel that it is inspired by God Himself as do many others when we read it. edit: so what is the "truth"? at least i believe it actually is the truth and have no doubt about it. i am simply confused about people that know what they believe may not be true and they don't care if it is true or not, which is what i think started this in the first place.

You really know truth. Your smarter then Socrates! (w00t) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> do you know as truth that Socrates existed? Or isn't he just a character in Plato's writings? but anyway, of course i am smarter than Socrates. i could beat him in chess any day.

yeah, i intentionally got a lot of stuff about all the religions wrong when i wrote the last part. it was just to get people thinking about how there are people who do things like that: make their own religion that is totally without truth and not even caring either. edit: i certainly wasn't trying to flame or skew any other religion. like i said, it is just an example of some people's beliefs.

Duh, thats why we invaded Iraq, rememeber? ... Is it me, or would everyone but Canadians benifit if the US invades........ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey! stop giving away the top-secret plans! :ph34r:

not according to my psuedonymous idiot character, he can believe whatever he wants. he even says so (it's part of his religion). the truth can die for all he cares.

I side with Mothie on this one. Jesus will be the judge of that. As for my opinion, works can't save you. good deeds are works. that won't save you. is it a waste? well, if you were doing those works to get to heaven, then yes, because that won't work for you. but Christians are still commanded to do the good works, because that is why they were created, it glorifies God: Ephesians 2:8-10 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." If you want to ignore reality! that's why, of course. Why would they not care if it is right!? that is very disturbing. I know many people would agree with me that extremist terrorists are a result of that, among some other reasons. I don't understand why one wouldn't want the truth. this boggles my mind. "They simply follow the belief system that suits them best" humans are lazy creatures... example: i will make a religion that is best for me. okay, let's see, we have that jesus from christianity, he's a nice character, i'll take some of that. and then in other religions they don't meet all the time every week, so i will take that. i dont want to meet every stinking week! i am a busy person you know. there are things that are very important to me. i don't care if the things i do aren't important to anybody's "true God", that doesn't bother me. and whatever i do will be considered good deeds in my religion, and it'll also be my "manifest destiny" too. and screw other people, this is about me and only me. next there is buddhism, and i like that reincarnation idea, so i will take that one, but i will definitely be a super rich person in my next life, because that is just what i will put in my religion. and those buddha statues look cool, like, i can't stop looking at them and talking about them because they are so cool, better than any other statues for sure. i will call mine "Jay Lent" because i like that one funny guy on tv at night (jay leno) and i also want it to be a catholic sacrament as well (lent). wow, my religion is shaping up to be very convenient for me. hmm, what else. oh, islam, if i ever kill somebody on accident or on purpose, they will be considered infidels in my religion, and i will have lots of virgins when i go to heaven, and i'll go there when i die, but that is after i am reincarnated as a rich man...*stares at Jay Lent statue* wow that statue is so cool. it is made of jade you know. alright, i will also be a god, like in mormonism i think. i will get my own planet and stuff. i'll make it so my religion can be the same as anybody else's at any time, so if they ever ask about it, i will just say we believe the same thing. it changes as i go about my day. And i almost forgot! Jedi are so cool. i will be one with the force when i die for a while because i get to be a blue ghost and i can walk through all sorts of walls and statues, like Jay Lent *fawns at Jay Lent*. and when i am rich in my next life i will get a lightsaber, single bladed, no, double, yeah, double bladed with a blue crystal. i will think of more stuff later, but for now, this religion is the best for me.

What else is symbolism? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is one of the places where a fundamentalist Christian and a Christian that is not fundamentalist would disagree. It just seems like, when you read the passage, that it isn't talking about long periods of time, rather, a day as we know it (the original text's word for "day" is the equivalent of a morning to night cycle.

Baley you never cease to make me laugh. We talked about this verse in a thread long ago, and i am sure you read it, which is why i laugh. here is what i said about it in the response to the quote fourth down: here

i didn't think so, but i gtg now. i'll pick it up later

lol

Exactly he's lazy and good for nothing. If he were a parent he'd be in gaol. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the emphasis is on "justly". if you think that the OT God ever existed then why would you assume He with all His power just suddenly lost it or became lazy? That is one of the more illogical things i have heard you allude to.