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I don't agree that it ever could be. You can't make history completely neutral and fact-based. Someone has to select which facts to include in the curriculum, and which to exclude, and that person has his own agenda. So the biases are still there, only they're hidden, and the students don't learn the skills to deal with the biases. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i don't agree that it ever could be too. however, the someone who selects which facts to include in the curriculum, and which to exclude, could have an agenda to just present the cold-hard facts. and they could also say that. and they could also have a section to teach about bias and tell kids they are dumb if they take it at face value.

This thread is not a work in progress anymore, as it claims in its description. Kumq, or anybody have time to do their own? it's a lot of work, so i am not whining about it, but this thread dissappoints.

the other day i only just realised how dumb consoles were. i mean, you can do it all with your computer just by investing in it's own hardware instead. this revelation has changed my opinion about consoles and i like pc for gaming better now. plus you can do more with the keyboard, seriously, a lot more. <second opinion> but the consoles aren't that bad. there is something satisfying about slapping in a cartridge and immediately being cast into an unadulterated state of playing. However, as the nex-gen consoles get more and more multimedia capabilities, i see the line between console and computer thinning. <free rant> multimedia is so stupid. everything is multimedia nowadays. My cell phone reeks of options that it shouldn't have, i.e. GPS. okay, i don't want people knowing where i am at, and i don't need a GPS. Nobody ever uses their cell phone's GPS. even a person who is stranded and lost would want to be found the old fashioned way, not with their phone. phones should stay phones, the "cell" doesn't make it more than transportable. Also, i currently can't buy a houseware appliance that doesn't say my name when i activate it. For instance, when i go to cook something in the microwave, i have to shuffle through the address book menu and built-in dvd player just to nuke my corndog. My socks sing "jingle bells" and have wireless networking capabilities. The only thing not multimedia in my house is my dog, and he is also disturbed when the automated food dish/thermometer violates his private space unwarranted. my computer is enough multimedia for me, and it does its job better than the alarm clock/mp3/scheduler could. so please, anybody that makes anything, don't make it multimedia unless it is actually practical.

Any history major will tell you that history itself is rarely, if ever, about cold hard facts. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But ideally... hence the words "should be". unless you were just noting that it is not that way and it would be difficult to get it to be that way...

i concur... partially. i'd rather not buy an xbox 360 just to play a K3, so having it for my computer would be better.

Rockstar's games have never appealled to me. beating and killing everything while trudging through a lame excuse for a storyline gets old for me somehow I don't know, it must just be me. Okay, so for the first day of having a rockstar game you say, "wow you can kill this and destroy that and run around more and shoot that and it blows up so funny and then you sprint over there and kick the fuzz with your special combos and realistic combat abilities" But then it got boring for me. sorry, but i will save myself some time, stress, and money by not coming out to play with the warriors.

i like how it says K3 rumours and then it says "well its true!" lol. and then you shouldn't have put the rumour's source, it would have had more credibility that way. like, from .000021% credibility to .001034% credibility. definitely more though.

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I think public morality can ill afford to turn away any assistance whatsoever. Oh, okay that was a lame joke, but i actually think it is a good point... I agree with what Azarkon said about history education, that it should be only the cold hard facts and not coated with different flavours to change what it actually is. I mean, there are other facets of education that can do that such as humanities or our own religion or whatever. we all make our own opinion anyway, but to be biased in reporting the facts is sickly demented, erm, i just think it is not fair. < opinion alert , well, it was all my opinion, but this moreso > For France to uphold that law in order to smooth their history is prideful and opens cause for strife in their dealings with other nations. Blank thinks this is unwise. Blank thinks Blank is lame for talking in third person. Blank does not edit this part so that everyone can see the cold hard facts of how lame Blank is.

I am one of those "too many people". We think that we enjoy our old and boring ideas and we also think that they don't get old. that is why we are too "many" and not only a "few". K1's romance was slightly cheesy at parts (i've said this before on another thread). Whereas K2's romance was not complete, (the game itself wasn't complete ) Kalfear, you should try writing a romance for a sci-fi/fantasy and then attempt to satisfy everyone; it won't work. I didn't mind the "true sith" junk they had. and i didn't think the "echo" was so overused as many people believe, i mean, they say it like 15 to 20 times. you all must've gone to Kreia a whole bunch and went through the same loophole dialogue. <warning: rant> Rpg's with relatively linear stories are better i think than smelly pieces of slimy poop such as: elder scrolls 3 morrowind which i recently bought used (looking for an rpg to pass the time) and was very dissappointed in. not my type of RPG. it was like a MMORPG without the second M and the O and without quality for the R and P. basically it was in its own money-wasting genre. in essence, an MRPG: Massively Really Pathetic Game. The fighting system compared to Kotor was sorely lacking to say the least. The graphics were also atrocious. and no parties? wHAt!? NO PARTIES IN AN RPG!??! i would take Final Fantasy 7 graphics over that any day. And Final Fantasy 7 was made in '97. Mhehh, this game i need to go destroy... right now... serious... no game has ever made me feel this way. i'll be back when i am done. Okay, back... i much better now Guys, just be happy there are people from Obsidian and Bioware that brought to us a coulple of good RPG's with romance in them too. i appreciate the creators more because of this experience.

i didn't find anything to hate about him, but i also didn't find anything to like about him. i thought he was just a well-made enemy boss for the game.

Yeah, i was under the impression that it had a defence penalty. and does the critical strike have a penalty? because i didn't think so, and if not, then one should use critical strike all the time... but normal attack still works better than flurry for me. i am so unlucky with my to-hit ratio.

*head perks up* Hmm? a messenger of bad news? STONE HIM!

I heard that Korriban was kind of a final add-on to the game. is that true? and if so, then i think they did a really good job on it with the cave

Like Vashanti said, Visas is a woman undone. Her planet and all she cared about was destroyed and she is a forced apprentice/slave to Nihilus. She had no reason left to live and went to find the exile, but because the exile spares her after the battle, and because she sees the exile as a reason to live, then it makes sense that she is always in servitude and ends up loving him.

Basically i think it was foolish for the kings to decide to cruscade for the Holy Land. It's just land and doesn't do anything special. but they may have thought it would give them prestige or special favour with God, or maybe the cruscades were just a conspiracy and they just wanted the large amounts of oil for their failing economy

But didn't the Pope commission the cruscades? as for christians looking bad, yes, it happens a lot... *looks at self and pauses* you don't mean me do you? On topic: movies movies... um... i'm not much of a movie guy.

But i know we both agree that the cruscades made the Christians look bad, and the Romans had Gladiators. I wasn't really being specific in names or anything.

I just saw Kingdom of Heaven a couple days ago. The story shows a lot about how Christians totally lost credibility by going on the cruscades and killing "infidels". my favorite theologically incorrect quote in the movie was from a young catholic monk, "To kill an infidel is not murder, it is the path to salvation." lol, such bad theology for a Christian. I enjoyed Orlando Bloom's character because he looked past his illogical priests/advisors who were spouting out blasphemy and instead he focused on being rightous and benevolent. Surprisingly, it was a emotional movie for me, even though i felt that it slightly lacked in the romance department. i don't know how you could make that better, it must be hard to write romance well, but i thought it was good enough for what the movie is, and it complimented it. The Muslim main character i thought was generally a nice guy from what was shown. In summary, you should watch the movie if you already haven't, but make sure you don't go generalising Christianity solely because of it, and even Islam for that matter. It's more of a historical fiction, so keep that in mind. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good thing one of us did That movie was as accurate as Gladiator, it was enjoyable, but largely false. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was simply saying that the cruscades made Christians lose credibility, and the movie had cruscade type elements in it. largely false meaning none of it truly happened, but it was based on real events. Yeah, if i am totally wrong though and the cruscades to retake Jerusalem never happened, then please tell me. Historical fictions are still somewhat historical, otherwise it is just fiction.

Sorry man, Pixie's trademark saying is one of a kind, you can't have a successful variation of it IMO. But (+5 influence points) for making me laugh.

"I will wait to see the reactions of the gamers who will purchase it immediately after it's apparition!" funny wording, luke77. I chose the second option like most of the other people did. i like K1 and K2 and i will probably like K3 if it is made

I just saw Kingdom of Heaven a couple days ago. The story shows a lot about how Christians totally lost credibility by going on the cruscades and killing "infidels". my favorite theologically incorrect quote in the movie was from a young catholic monk, "To kill an infidel is not murder, it is the path to salvation." lol, such bad theology for a Christian. I enjoyed Orlando Bloom's character because he looked past his illogical priests/advisors who were spouting out blasphemy and instead he focused on being rightous and benevolent. Surprisingly, it was a emotional movie for me, even though i felt that it slightly lacked in the romance department. i don't know how you could make that better, it must be hard to write romance well, but i thought it was good enough for what the movie is, and it complimented it. The Muslim main character i thought was generally a nice guy from what was shown. In summary, you should watch the movie if you already haven't, but make sure you don't go generalising Christianity solely because of it, and even Islam for that matter. It's more of a historical fiction, so keep that in mind.

Good analysis