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Come to think of it, I think you're looking at your own poll the wrong way. To reiterate... Now, options A, G H and O kill either Revan or Exile or both or doesn't get them into K3 at all. Together these come to 11 votes. Options B, C, D, I, L and M have Revan and/or Exile as the main PC in some way. Together these options have 48 votes so far. Options E, F, J, K and N sees Revan and Exile appear in the game in some way, but not as the main characters, though their signficance in the game varies (we might not want to count E here, but then it only has one vote, so it hardly matters and is easy to subtract). Together this comes to a massive 61 votes. So it's fair to conclude that the majority of us want Revan and the Exile in the game, but not as the main character(s) - we want a new main character. We just disagree on how much we want Revan and the Exile to influence the story, though we do want them in there.

Feargus? Isn't he the big meanie that didn't want the magic 8-ball in FO2? Sure shows what he knows about RPGs... :D

Say, how many of the twelve cylon models have we seen by now? Of course, there's number six and the Sharon model, which was revealed as number eight in the last episode. The model played by Lucy Lawless is apparently number three. Didn't we see two other models in the pilot, another one posing as a doctor when Starbuck was back on Caprica, and a fourth posing as journalist on the Galactica? That would make seven so far. Did I miss any?

No, it's an action game masquerading as an RPG due to character development and concepts like classes and levels that many people think make it into an RPG only because they fail to realise that many RPGs don't have classes and levels at all. It has some character development in the skill system, though, and it's fun for a while... But that doesn't make it an RPG. Nor does the fact that it has a plot.

For some reason it only works if you to equip her with standard clothes and a single melee weapon (either a vibrosword or a lightsaber). If done right, you get an option during the confrontation with Nihilus, where you can mention that she has to be sacrificed, if you are to live. Try it if you have a savegame handy. It's worth watching once. Made me feel like a creep, though, but there you go... If it still doesn't work, try dropping all equipment except for the standard clothes and the vibrosword or lightsaber.

Well, we can hope... To be perfectly honest, I'm very uncertain about the whole thing. Fallout was a classic series, but has already spawned a few offshots that were hated by the fans. I'd love a FO3 that updates the old system and yet retains the special FO atmosphere, but I can't say that I'm hopeful about the results... It'll be a killer game if it works, though. But I think the project is sort of doomed from the beginning, because some fans of the originals (be it FO or some other game, or even movies or books) can be pretty rabid. I mean, I can't imagine what Lucas should have done to make *all* the fans like the prequel episodes, or what Obsidian should have done to make *all* the K1 fans like K2. It's just not possible. It'll be the same with FO3, no doubt. It might have been easier if Bethesda had just launched a "Fallout - the next generation" or similar

The real problem with a topic like this is that there is a lot that depends on choices that aren't dictated by Revan's or Exile's alignment and/or gender. For example, is Visas dead at the end of K2? She could be in any event, but doesn't need to be... How about Atris? You'll definitely kill her if you're a proper DS, but you don't actually have to. And even as LS, you can still kill her for her crimes and treachery and be perfectly justified. But you don't have to kill her... Same goes for Bastila, for the reasons already mentioned by other people. All you can say for certain is that a good deal of Revan's companions are dead if he/she ended up as DS...

It depends what you want from a film, a thought-provoking film with a challenging undercurrent of tight philosophical grit told using a genuinely new cinematographic technique that was the resut of two people's combined mind-dump of their entire maturation, or an occidental kung-fu action film with Gucci costumes. But I will defend your right to have a different opinion, regardless of how wrong it is! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gee, thanks... I think...

They are right. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> " The defense rests... NOTE: I didn't say that I liked Matrix Revolutions, just Reloaded

I liked Matrix Reloaded better than the original movie, but whenever I say that (which has gotten less frequent for that reason), people always tell me I'm wrong and that the sequels sucked...

Yes, but I'm not really that surprised. I mean, this is the K2 boards, so it's not surprising to me that the votes go very much in favor of what die-hard K2 fans would prefer. No doubt things would look a lot different if you asked on the K1 boards or some other forum.

Since we're on the subject of Cthulhu, I just thought I'd share a few, er, survival tips that I picked up from somewhere on the net - can't for the life of me remember where, so my apologies to the original author... Still, should be good fun Here goes: In a game like Call of Cthulhu, where the average lifespan of a player character is less than that of a mayfly, pointers are needed to stay on top of things. Have you just inherited a mansion whose previous owner went mad, died horribly or simply vanished? Never ever sleep in the master bedroom, explore the unmapped caverns beneath the cellar and never try to find the source of that insane piping-sound going on at night. In fact, never ever visit the mansion in question. Conduct investigations while the sun is still above the horizon. The common idea that night is the proper time for sneaking around and committing B&E is even deadlier than The Thousand-Faced Rotting Bubble-Person From Beyond ever could be. Being illiterate is a good thing. Yes, there is such a thing as too many tentacles. Always bring a handgun, that way you can make sure that one of your friends will be in no shape to run when your group is chased by outer-dimensional hunting-creatures, thereby giving the horrible being something other than you to munch on. Hopefully. Never become good friends with University professors. They are the living embodiment of trouble. In fact, watch out for people whose job is to read books, specifically old books, or tomes, as they like to call them. They always want help after having summoned The Horrible Horror with a Shady Reputation. Helping them will get you dead right quick or, at the very least, insane. Surreal happenings or outer-dimensional summoning may be commonplace in their lives; better not make it commonplace in your life. Never date women who refer to themselves as cat-persons. Cuddly or not; the Cats from Saturn be damned! Never go abroad. If you, for any reason, have to go abroad it better not be as a crewmember on an expedition. Egypt and Antarctica kills off more investigators each year than cancer does. Always bring explosives. And not pansy explosives like grenades. Instead bring bundles of TNT. Going to your cousins wedding? Great! Just remember to pack the TNT. TNT is good for so many things, like blowing up blasphemous temples or horrible proto-masses. Failing that, TNT makes great firewood for your final bonfire. Never join a cult or sect. Enough said. Curiosity did not kill the cat. Some unspeakable horror did. Not only that, it also turned the cat inside out, had pseudo pods grow from every orifice imaginable, gave it a taste for human blood and made it six times larger than before. Now the cat is coming for you. Stay well away from mountain cabins. Every mountain cabin comes with an obligatory psychopath. Some cabin-retailers may allow for the psychopath to be exchanged for an Unknown Horror Existing in Far too Many Dimensions. Beware cabins! Try not to live your life in England or New England. In fact, you should probably move to Sweden, a country where Mythos activity seems to quite non-existent. Avoid anything that can be associated with the words ancient, elder, forgotten etc. I cannot emphasize this enough. Contracting Ebola is far more enjoyable than being torn to pieces over the course of seven years by the Ancient Guardian-Monstrosity. Make a distinction between Good Slime and Evil Slime. Good Slime does not really do anything except maybe make you disgusted. Evil Slime, on the other hand, tends to eat you, dissolve you, expand like there is no tomorrow, et cetera. A surefire way of distinguishing between Good Slime and Evil Slime is this: When you see a pool of slime for the first time, ask yourself these questions. But before proceeding, take heed; Good or Evil, no slime at all is better. 1. Does it shiver, move about or show any other sign of having means of producing kinetic energy by itself? No? Then it is probably safe to assume that you are dealing with Good Slime. 2. Does it have countless mouths and bulging eyes? No? Good Slime. 3. Does it talk? No? Good Slime. 4. Do you feel threatened in any way by this slime? No? Good Slime. 5. Poke the slime with a pointy stick. Does it react? No? Good Slime. 6. Have any of your pets disappeared lately? No? If yes, can you see the bones of your pets inside the slime? Yes? Evil Slime. 7. Did the slime come from outer space? No? Good Slime. When dealing with beings of incomprehensible power, tread lightly. If you suddenly decompose, burst into flames, explode or suffer otherwise along similar lines you know you have done something wrong. On the other hand, if you deal with beings of incomprehensible power you are a right git and deserve nothing less. Steer well clear of Outer Gods, Elder Gods, Old Ones and their ilk. If your Keeper asks you to print out a couple of new character sheets before the session begins you know trouble and death are afoot. Suggest that you play Dungeons & Dragons instead; a game where being resurrected doesn

That's good to hear. Well done.

True, but I would rather see that happen during or toward the end of K3 than just presuming it beforehand. It seems to me like a major point in K2 that the old masters have long refused to acknowledge the very points that Jolee made in K1 - especially if you pay attention to what Zez-Kai Ell tells the Exile on Nar Shaddaa - and so K3 should conclude with the formation a new order based on the insights and experiences that people like Jolee can give the order rather than the old "nardnosed" discipline of Vrook and his ilk.

Someone would probably argue that this is so because it's an option for the PC to increase his skills in one direction or the other. But yeah, it rather defeats the purpose of having a top-notch mechanic/engineer guy around, if the game won't allow you use him to fix stuff for you...

I don't see Jolee as a council member, at least not early on in K3. He's just a tad too grey for that, and it would take some serious convincing to make him join the council. I'm far more likely to think he's back in selcusion somewhere... Juhani might be a better candidate, but for some reason I always think of her as one of the jedi who died on Katarr when Nihilus attacked. Maybe that's because it's otherwise only characters that know very little or nothing about that died on Katarr, and I think someone should be lost there, that we care about. Then again, Vandar died there... (if Revan is LS in K1) I also don't think you should put Mical and Brinna on DS. If the Exile is DS, then one of them will be, but the other one never joined the Exile, and they were both LS to begin with. To me that means that at least one of them will always be LS, and both will if the Exile is LS. And why would there be a Sith empire on Korriban? Those would not be the "true Sith", and the rest of the sith are scattered and defeated after the fall of the Sith Lords in K2.

Well, the only "Revan robes" you ever to have in the game are created by the Star Forge in the DS ending. So that's what I was referring to. Revan donned similar robes well before ever finding the Star Forge, but those are never named.

Not a lasting one anyway. But if K3 takes place a few years after K2, there could be an emerging "council" on Coruscant. If the Exile is LS, those could be his companions.

Never got above level 43 or so myself... Then again I didn't try to. After all, once you reach about level 35, what's the point? By then you really should have all the force powers you want, and the enemies scale as well, which just makes the game tougher the further you go.

sorry, but you remember that bit wrong - HK was never created on the Star Forge, but before Revan found the Rakatan system. Remember how you get to ask him about it after finding out you're Revan in K1, and he responds that he doesn't know, because you never took him there. Revan's robes were created by the Star Forge, though. Well, the Death Star is also *mobile* - it can actually move through hyperspace. That makes it pretty lethal in any case... unless some stupid pilot gets a lucky shot in there, but really - what are the chances? "

The Star Forge can also create organic creatures (with Force Abbilities!) out of thin air! Remember Deck2? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I can see it now... "Instant dark jedification setting Add: 1 useless lackey 1 red lightsaber 1 appropriately evil-looking dark robe a hint of dark side power stir, then wait for a minute and collect your dark jedi at the output slot" I would have paid real money for that, but then I guess it's KotOR and not Monkey Island :D

Well, we know he didn't kill Bastila or Carth, because they do appear in the game (depending on Revan's alignment/gender as per the end of K1). Bastila seems to appear in any version of the game, and Carth is absent only for the DS male Revan, IIRC. Not sure how far T3 might have gone, though. Sure makes me wonder about all those corpses aboard the Ebon Hawk in the prologue... :ph34r:

yah absolutely...I prefer lightside for either game but an occasional darkside game is pretty fun too Especially since my fave character Mandalore/Canderous gives compliments for that. Also the HK 47 comments are hilarious! -jim <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sure, but you can built influence with them (or at least HK - doesn't seem to be much point for Mandalore...) even if you're light side. Harder, but still a good challenge. I did it myself and got the "jedi kill" tricks from HK in the end... I also gave him LS mastery :D

Maybe she didn't go with him...but did she come back with the Hawk...? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When and how exactly Kreia got aboard the Ebon Hawk is one of those questions of the events leading up to K2 that I'm really curious about. Another is why the Exile was returning to the republic in the first. I know Atris staged his return by rerouting the Harbinger to pick him up, but he was not taken as a prisoner. What was his motivation for going back? Anyway, we do know that Kreia did not follow Revan to the unknown regions. How? Because she says this line toward the end of the game (where I trust she is speaking the truth for once). Kreia: "If he had asked... would I have gone? I do not know."