thelee 1,875 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) To be honest I don't know were I would vote if I had a twitter account. I do think original Pillars is better, though requires some tweaking. However, Pen system did achieve it's goal with being clear, and scalable. Can we have a C option? I'll repeat what I posted on SA in response to this discussion: The funny thing about the two games for me is that while the second game is superior in just about every way from a design perspective, I still feel like there was more "freedom" to make really off the rails original character builds in the first game. It's hard to verbalize this accurately because I don't want to overstate it, but the first game had a lot of room for really novel "wait, what? that works?" gimmick builds to keep cropping up -- whole parties of pale elf self-damaging wizards, or Long Pain ranged monks, time leech barbarians, etc. It might just be that in the second game a lot of the surprise of those build types has worn off -- I mean, you can still make a Long Pain monk just fine; or it might be that the really exploitative edge case builds got balanced out of existence (debuff barbarians with on-hit Carnage effects, etc), but somehow even though there are so many more combos now in terms of class + class, most of them feel pretty homogenous -- pick a weapon class from column A and a spell class from column B and whip to combine, etc. I think what I really miss is that talents in the first game could be taken with any class, so you could take a bunch of ranged talents on a cipher or monk, or Scion of Flame on a barbarian, or whatever, it was just a very open system in a way that's curtailed somewhat in Deadfire. In Deadfire if you want a cipher with ranged talents you multiclass with ranger; in the first game you just took Gunner directly. The net result was that in PoE 1 each individual class character would have a unique combo of talents, whereas any given multiclass in Deadfire has a more limited set to choose from; no two PoE 1 ciphers would be identical but every assassin/beguiler is fairly similar to every other assassin/beguiler. I definitely share this thought. When I first started looking at ability trees, I was disappointed that they got rid of the very large "common pool" of talents that PoE1 had, in favor of more class-specific stuff (having Deep Pockets and Quick Switch sequestered away into rogue and fighter in particular hurt some of my PoE1 playstyle) and the stuff that is shared is very generic defense stuff (Bull's Will). It seemed like there was a bit more pigeonholing about classes compared to PoE1 (whereas it was definitely fun to go against type to create a super-intelligent barbarian, which is a definitely less viable option now). In the end, to me it's not worse, it's "different." I'll never be able to recreate my favorite priest from PoE1, but I have a whole bunch of other new options to play with in Deadfire. Edited January 28, 2019 by thelee 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Triple - A Foxy Lad 238 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 i was just about to post this but obv u all got there first. thought it looked like the sort of thing where u maths people could help. ive now cleared whole game including megabosses and dlc on veteran-upscaled. Ye ye ye, im not on potd yet, but it feels like a possibility now, which is a big achievement for me. fwiw i like that the ar/pen system remains a factor all the way through the game. juggling damage types and weapon types for encounters was quite satisfying. forced me to up my equipment game. its something id like to see tuned rather than thrown out if possible. tho praise be to whoever it was that said magneras chain was the way to tank dorudugan. (prob kaylon?) i dont think id ever have spotted that. i was using blackened plate all this time isnt of trusting anti-fire to rekvus cloak or whatever it was called. i wonder if its possible to explain that inversion mechanic in the games cyclopedia without it becoming a meme? like i was able to apply it when boeroer explained it, so i think it passes some kind of idiot test. like, i had to take supplementary maths lessons at one point. 1 Quote I AM A RENISANCE MAN Link to post Share on other sites
Frog Man 350 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 More interesting to me is WHY he asked this question; just looking back over the process and curious which worked better? Or more tantalizing...early considerations for PILLARS OF ****ING ETERNITY 3 THE LIVING LANDS. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wormerine 4,303 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 More interesting to me is WHY he asked this question; just looking back over the process and curious which worked better? Or more tantalizing...early considerations for PILLARS OF ****ING ETERNITY 3 THE LIVING LANDS. My thoughts exactly. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Messier-31 2,481 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Josh asks whether people prefer the PoE DR or Deadfire AR/PEN system. Do not care option? Quote It would be of small avail to talk of magic in the air... Link to post Share on other sites
Lamppost in Winter 377 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) No PenNo PenNo P- Poll's sitting at 1/3 DR, 2/3 AR now. I wonder what the results would be like if he polled here instead of on twitter. Presumably more people into the nitty gritty of mechanics around here. Edited January 29, 2019 by Lamppost in Winter 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boeroer 15,012 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Do not care option? That option is always there: don't vote. Edited January 29, 2019 by Boeroer Quote Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to post Share on other sites
Triple - A Foxy Lad 238 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 tbh so long as they find some way to encourage tactical diversity and keep the numbers under control, im pretty chill. neither system damaged my enjoyment. after dealing with the waking nightmare of dos2's armour/gear system and km's bloated natural AC shenanigans, deadfire felt like christmas. the bar dont feel that high atm. lol. tangent: i did like the modals. i liked that each weapon type had a unique(ish) selling point. 1 Quote I AM A RENISANCE MAN Link to post Share on other sites
Enoch 1,988 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1090333683951620096 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lamppost in Winter 377 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 josh is 12th god of eora confirmed 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
house2fly 1,205 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 lol, but I think they shouldn't have that as a challenge mode unless someone on the team has managed to beat the game with it. I suspect it's literally impossible 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thelee 1,875 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 josh is 12th god of eora confirmed noooooooooooooo down with sawyer, forever nemnok! NEMNOK, NEMNOK 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ethics Gradient 2,411 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 josh is 12th god of eora confirmed 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
InsaneCommander 2,583 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 More interesting to me is WHY he asked this question; just looking back over the process and curious which worked better? Or more tantalizing...early considerations for PILLARS OF ****ING ETERNITY 3 THE LIVING LANDS. My thoughts exactly. If he announces PoE3, he can also create a third system and I wouldn't care. https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1090333683951620096 12th God Challenge: play the entire game on a bike. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frog Man 350 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Recent posts on here have confirmed one thing for me - I hope the josh sawyer tweets and teasers thread on this forum continues for the rest of my life 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Enoch 1,988 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Recent posts on here have confirmed one thing for me - I hope the josh sawyer tweets and teasers thread on this forum continues for the rest of my life And we even missed this post a couple weeks ago. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wormerine 4,303 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) Recent posts on here have confirmed one thing for me - I hope the josh sawyer tweets and teasers thread on this forum continues for the rest of my life And we even missed this post a couple weeks ago. Ha! Never knew that “Slavic squat” was a thing. Personally, when reading the name I was hoping for something more like that.https://youtu.be/8EnZc7xjWwA Edited January 30, 2019 by Wormerine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boeroer 15,012 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 It's so a thing. At least where I come from. We had lots of Russian\German minority immigrants in the 90's and the one thing all the male ones did was slavic squats. Nowadays it's mostly gone because those folks got assimilated pretty thoroughly. I also lived in Uzbekistan for three years (2010-2013) and there it's also very common - even though they are not slavic at all. 2 Quote Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to post Share on other sites
Triple - A Foxy Lad 238 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 When i worked in a media warehouse, my colleagues from eastern europe did this all the time. i couldnt narrow it down to a precise spread of countries. we're talking hundreds of people here. women used to do it as well. werent just restricted to masc folk. Quote I AM A RENISANCE MAN Link to post Share on other sites
Phenomenum 885 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 It were common at early-mid 2000's (and maybe still common in province small towns) but now it's mostly used as joke in Russia - you know, squat, vodka, balalayka...all this things) Ah, and bears of course) 3 Quote Pillars of Eternity 1 - Russian Extended Localization Pillars of Eternity 2 - Deadfire Russian Localization Fix Pillars of Eternity 2 - Deadfire Community Patch Link to post Share on other sites
algroth 3,299 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Recent posts on here have confirmed one thing for me - I hope the josh sawyer tweets and teasers thread on this forum continues for the rest of my lifeAnd we even missed this post a couple weeks ago.Ha! Never knew that “Slavic squat” was a thing. Personally, when reading the name I was hoping for something more like that. It is totally a thing, rođak! Here's a tutorial: 2 Quote My Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/alephg Currently playing: Fallout 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mannock 673 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Did you see Eric Fenstermaker's tweet yesterday about an article in the New Yorker? It was, let's say, interesting. Josh concurred in a reply to the tweet. I think it was a pass at MCA. 1 Quote I'll do it, for a turnip. DnD item quality description mod (for PoE2) by peardox Link to post Share on other sites
Triple - A Foxy Lad 238 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 reckon josh were just reacting to the article. speculating as to who fenstermakers on about wont lead anywhere good imo. could be anyone or no one. 4 Quote I AM A RENISANCE MAN Link to post Share on other sites
Boeroer 15,012 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Did you see Eric Fenstermaker's tweet yesterday about an article in the New Yorker? It was, let's say, interesting. Josh concurred in a reply to the tweet. I think it was a pass at MCA. Really? Missed that... Edit: Oh wait, I didn't. The article about Mallory... Yeah well - I think Eric has met his fair share of narcissists during his professional carreer as most of us have. No need to speculate... Edited February 6, 2019 by Boeroer Quote Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to post Share on other sites
Lamppost in Winter 377 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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