Malcador Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373311-nunes-creates-own-media-outlet-to-deliver-news-sports-and-analysis Nunes certainly is an odd character 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Guard Dog Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 You ever want to ask someone "Dude, what the heck were you thinking?" http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199440204.html "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Guard Dog Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 He's quoting sources that are over 120 years old and largely discredited. The whole notion of IQ is way outdated IMO. Intelligence is impossible to quantify. Especially by administering tests that rely largely on acquired knowledge rather than the ability to acquire knowledge. In my opinion only what matters in not intelligence but drive. The desire to learn is what we should be looking at. Not antiquated notions on measuring ability. To say nothing of the fact that a project like this is waving a red flag at an angry bull. I'm not saying it's not OK to do that but you better be right when you do. 5 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Malcador Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 You ever want to ask someone "Dude, what the heck were you thinking?" http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199440204.html Teenager being edgy, not a surprise. Then again, likely he won't grow out of that. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gfted1 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 /notsureifserious Imo, intelligence is not equally distributed. To me, being an eager beaver has no advantage if you cant understand whats going on. Well unless you are doing something menial I suppose. If your job is to mop the floor and youre a hella good floor mopper then I'm sure that's advantageous. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Malcador Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 /notsureifserious Imo, intelligence is not equally distributed. To me, being an eager beaver has no advantage if you cant understand whats going on. Well unless you are doing something menial I suppose. If your job is to mop the floor and youre a hella good floor mopper then I'm sure that's advantageous. Well being smart but being lazy or lacking tenacity is no help either. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Guard Dog Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) I disagree Gfted. I've taken a personal interest in self-education of late (autodidaction). In my reading what truly separates high performers from low performers is not comprehension but motivation. 99 times out of 100 if a student studies, they pass. Understanding comes from study. There is not doubt that some folks are smarter than others. But what's missing in that is the way to quantify it. And it's over valued at any rate. In grade school I realized early on I could succeed without really trying. I could get a C or B just listening in class. If I applied myself just a little I could get A's. Being the lazy SOB I was back then I learned to be content with mediocrity and get Cs & Bs. Had I not joined the Marine Corps I probably would have slouched through college and life much the same way. Getting by doing the minimum. In the Corps I learned being average is not something to aspire to, I saw guys who barely passed high school master advanced math and physics in training to go on and excel in very demanding and technical jobs. So I did the same and it completely changed the course of my life. Granted no one motivates like the military. They will put 10 students in a class for a field with only 8 billets. The top 8 pass and the last two go to something else (likely infantry). If you fail a test you get 1 retest. You fail that: infantry. If you don't want to go to infantry or field sanitation or wherever, you pass. THAT is motivation. Granted all this is anecdotal. My experience not evidence. But it's taught me with the exception of 5% on the margins one person is much the same as another when it comes to ability to learn. All that stops them is motivation. Edited February 12, 2018 by Guard Dog 2 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Chilloutman Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 /notsureifserious Imo, intelligence is not equally distributed. To me, being an eager beaver has no advantage if you cant understand whats going on. Well unless you are doing something menial I suppose. If your job is to mop the floor and youre a hella good floor mopper then I'm sure that's advantageous. Well being smart but being lazy or lacking tenacity is no help either. yeah, story of my life (just kidding, I am just lazy) 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 You ever want to ask someone "Dude, what the heck were you thinking?" http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199440204.html I have a pretty good idea what he was thinking, I'd just tell him to stop looking at infographs and read recent studies instead of being obsessed with skull size. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Hurlshort Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 You ever want to ask someone "Dude, what the heck were you thinking?" http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199440204.html I don't see the problem. And that is the problem.
Guard Dog Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 @Sharpie: In terms of "measuring" intelligence as a science yes, factually discredited. Taken in context of the work however, it comes from the Eugenics era when people believed you could selectively breed a "superior human". The truth is, you can. Anyone who doubts that take a good look at your dog and realize where their ancestors came from. However the notion is (and definitely should be) out of favor because it has been used by some pretty evil folks to justify genocide. Even that aside selective breeding is dangerous in other ways because subtle genetic abnormalities that are insignificant in a diverse gene pool because much more problematic when the pool gets shallower. No matter how clear the water is. But that is a different discussion. Acquired knowledge stems largely on the opportunity to acquire it. And the drive to take advantage of that opportunity when they do have it. A highly intelligent student that has not received a quality education will fail a test on acquired knowledge. It does not mean he's less intelligent. I will bet there are many intelligent people in the world who can neither read nor write because they were never taught. There is the problem when it comes to "measuring" something that can't be measured. My education was in Electronics Engineering. If you and I each took a test on radio wave propagation there is a very good chance I will do better than you. That does not make me smarter than you. That is the exact assumption IQ tests are making. If someone is truly eager to learn they should be able to learn. If they can't then the fault is mostly on them I think. They need to identify WHY they are failing and correct it. Failure to learn something usually stems from 2 thing in my experience; Insufficient drive or a lack of underlying knowledge. If you want to learn Calculus but you never learned Algebra you will fail. The key to everything is foundation. So if you WANT to learn Calculus you need to buy an Algebra book and read it first. That is on the individual. In terms of employment however some employers ARE willing to take that leap of faith. My own career is an example. The job I have now uses almost none of my education and previous experience. It took me almost a year of intense study to get up to speed. But it was important and I was willing to do that. As to your last point, no argument here. 2 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
HoonDing Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 Obviously ppl from ****hole countries have lower IQ because of lower standard of education. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Malcador Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) The controversial project also included a bibliography and quotes from five books, one a text from 1904 called “The Essential Kafir” that argued South African blacks were intellectually inferior to whites Shame they didn't list the full bibliography. Edited February 12, 2018 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Guard Dog Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 The controversial project also included a bibliography and quotes from five books, one a text from 1904 called “The Essential Kafir” that argued South African blacks were intellectually inferior to whites Shame they didn't list the full bibliography. They did on the other site I saw that article. None of it was post-WW2 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Malcador Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373434-trump-proposes-eliminating-federal-funding-for-pbs-npr I forget, what is the GOP's obsession with killing PBS ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
injurai Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373434-trump-proposes-eliminating-federal-funding-for-pbs-npr I forget, what is the GOP's obsession with killing PBS ? It's not privately controlled, it's publicly funded, focuses on educational broadcasting. Killing PBS seems far more nefarious to me than wanting to kill off NPR, because NPR is actually liberal leaning where is PBS is very moderate. But even NPR is an important American staple.
Hurlshort Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 They clearly didn't grow up in Mr. Rogers neighborhood. 1
ShadySands Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 The eminent domained his neighborhood and built a parking lot for a casino 1 Free games updated 3/4/21
smjjames Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373434-trump-proposes-eliminating-federal-funding-for-pbs-npr I forget, what is the GOP's obsession with killing PBS ? It's not privately controlled, it's publicly funded, focuses on educational broadcasting. Killing PBS seems far more nefarious to me than wanting to kill off NPR, because NPR is actually liberal leaning where is PBS is very moderate. But even NPR is an important American staple. Isn't PBS pretty much in the same boat as Planned Parenthood where they want to kill federal funding, but there is no federal funding to kill in the first place? You can't defund something that you already aren't funding. Edited February 12, 2018 by smjjames
injurai Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373434-trump-proposes-eliminating-federal-funding-for-pbs-npr I forget, what is the GOP's obsession with killing PBS ? It's not privately controlled, it's publicly funded, focuses on educational broadcasting. Killing PBS seems far more nefarious to me than wanting to kill off NPR, because NPR is actually liberal leaning where is PBS is very moderate. But even NPR is an important American staple. Isn't PBS pretty much in the same boat as Planned Parenthood where they want to kill federal funding, but there is no federal funding to kill in the first place? You can't defund something that you already aren't funding. Not sure, but hopefully.
Valsuelm Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373434-trump-proposes-eliminating-federal-funding-for-pbs-npr I forget, what is the GOP's obsession with killing PBS ? It's not privately controlled, it's publicly funded, focuses on educational broadcasting. Killing PBS seems far more nefarious to me than wanting to kill off NPR, because NPR is actually liberal leaning where is PBS is very moderate. But even NPR is an important American staple. Well.. it's arguably unconstitutional for the Federal government to be funding such things (and most other things the Federal government funds these days). If states or municipalities want to fund a PBS, NPR, or the like, they're able to do so, and in fact have. Historically a large majority of the funding for some of PBS's most iconic shows came from the private sector and state/local funding. Also... PBS is a bit more subtle than NPR but holy smokes is it a propaganda machine. Arguably a worse one even than NPR due to that subtlety many wouldn't pick up on. It has always been so but in my observations it's become worse as time has gone on. And I've been watching PBS fairly regularly for nearly 40 years. Frontline and Nova are a few of the only shows I still check to see what they're covering (along with Walking Dead for it's coverage of the zombie apocalypse, though the quality of it's coverage is waning: ZombieChowTigers are fake news!). Though I watch less and less as Nova has become incredibly dumbed down overall, and Frontline..... well Frontline is still occasionally good, but too often is just downright blatant bull**** and unintelligently produced at that (see the recent stories on Putin for examples). Edited February 13, 2018 by Valsuelm
injurai Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 I don't watch Frontline, and haven't watched Nova since I was a kid. But I thought it was always an important channel amongst plenty of other trash and propaganda. I've become more of a C-Span guy myself, but I must admit I don't really use traditional broadcasting at all anymore.
Valsuelm Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 I don't watch Frontline, and haven't watched Nova since I was a kid. But I thought it was always an important channel amongst plenty of other trash and propaganda. I've become more of a C-Span guy myself, but I must admit I don't really use traditional broadcasting at all anymore. C-Span is generally where it's at for U.S. politics, as it's one of the best places to get primary source material. Frontline and Nova have had some gems in the past, though it's been a few years I think since they broadcast a well polished one. Their better shows generally have little to nothing to do with politics. Nova has sadly not only become horribly dumbed down in recent years, but it's pushing insano political agendas these days (see recent episode on black holes). I've been wondering if the talent is just gone.... if no new good episodes pop up in the next year or two I'll eventually come to that conclusion and bid the shows a sad farewell. 1
injurai Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Well, I'd imagine it's hard to always source new content that is also ripe for pop-sci. They've put out an insane amount of content over the years. You'll have to fill me in on the insano bits as nothing is turning up from a quick search and I'm not inclined to go watch an episode. As for C-Span, Brian Lamb is an unsung hero. Perhaps once sung about, but media has changed. America often feels too iconoclastic to have national treasures, but to me he would be one. There are very few people I hold in such high regards period, and he's coming from the journalistic tradition to boot.
smjjames Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Well, I'd imagine it's hard to always source new content that is also ripe for pop-sci. They've put out an insane amount of content over the years. You'll have to fill me in on the insano bits as nothing is turning up from a quick search and I'm not inclined to go watch an episode. As for C-Span, Brian Lamb is an unsung hero. Perhaps once sung about, but media has changed. America often feels too iconoclastic to have national treasures, but to me he would be one. There are very few people I hold in such high regards period, and he's coming from the journalistic tradition to boot. Same here with filling in on Nova and the insano bits. Haven't watched it for years, since I was a kid. No idea how the heck a political agenda would be pushed into an episode about black holes.
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