Politics Thread: 13 Ghosts

[Hurlshort]

While choosing knives for my wedding registry, I really wanted knives with stainless steel handles. My wife said no. 15 years later I am pretty sure she made the right choice, since I still have all my fingers.

[Gfted1]

I like the tv show Forged in Fire.

[Pidesco]

 

I guess I'm the only person here who has been to a knife and cutlery show

 

Besides the knife shows, I think there are two different organizations - one for knife collectors (National Knife Collectors Association) and one more geared towards ownership and legislation (American Knife and Tool Institute) - that are knife related.

 

 

 

How many members do those have?

[injurai]

While choosing knives for my wedding registry, I really wanted knives with stainless steel handles. My wife said no. 15 years later I am pretty sure she made the right choice, since I still have all my fingers.

 

Is it because the handles are slippery?

 

Really the important part is that the knives have a full tang.

[redneckdevil]

Do have a question, as a conservative I can't wrap my mind around WHY and HOW the net neutrality bill is gonna be passed with such a huge amount of the population being against it.

Aren't we the people the power? I guess this will the nail to end that fantasy I guess.

This really just smells like Bush and Obama bailing out the car and airport companies again, because I see Comcast and Verizon using this as an opportunity to make up lost money from much much lower phone contracts and cable TV purchasers.

I don't use Verizon **** for quite some time, now I gotta look at Comcast and see what they got under them that I might be spending money on.

[redneckdevil]

In Germany, we distinguish between ownership and property. Ownership means that you are the legal owner of something, property means you can also use it.

 

Why am I telling you this? There are two articles regarding property in the German constitution. The first one, the one I want to look at right now, is article 14, which states that 1) the state grants property within certain limits and 2) that “[owning] property bears responsibility. It should always be used in a way that also serves the common good.”

Because of this rationale, only hunters and sportsmen can own guns in the sense of property around here, and those are strictly regulated. Anyone else, including police, soldiers etc can only own guns in the sense of ownership, not property (at least this is how I remember it). So, if you have a gun, you’ll perhaps give it to the police to store it there. You can sell it, but you can’t use it. Police and soldiers can’t take their weapons home either. So the most dangerous weapon I could buy and use around here would probably be a crossbow.

 

This discussion probably won’t lead anywhere. I’m guessing the cultural barriers are too high. It always seemed to me, that America assumes a very positive idea of human nature.... trusting anyone with guns. Perhaps because, aside from the civil war and the partial ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population, you didn’t have much war in your homeland. Europe of course is marked by centuries of warfare; I guess a rather cynical attitude towards human nature comes with that.

Maybe our founding fathers saw what a huge melting pot we was gonna become and gave the right to us as a psychological comfort and also a way to ease up the govt way to "protect" since as a single country we are much bigger than I think any single country in Europe.

In Europe I'm wondering if it is common to have "big" creatures (not snakes and spiders etc) running around that can kill you as well. Like are bears, lions, tigers, etc very common in y'all's countries still?

[Amentep]

 

 

I guess I'm the only person here who has been to a knife and cutlery show

 

Besides the knife shows, I think there are two different organizations - one for knife collectors (National Knife Collectors Association) and one more geared towards ownership and legislation (American Knife and Tool Institute) - that are knife related.

 

 

 

How many members do those have?

 

 

Dunno, just know they exist.  Looking up AKTI just indicates they had a record rise in membership in 2014, not what the membership was, or is.

 

 

Maybe our founding fathers saw what a huge melting pot we was gonna become and gave the right to us as a psychological comfort and also a way to ease up the govt way to "protect" since as a single country we are much bigger than I think any single country in Europe.

In Europe I'm wondering if it is common to have "big" creatures (not snakes and spiders etc) running around that can kill you as well. Like are bears, lions, tigers, etc very common in y'all's countries still?

You also have to remember that Spain (in Florida and a concern for Georgia) and the French and English (Louisiana, Canada) were also still seen as threats. They'd want frontiersmen and frontierswomen to be able to defend themselves if trouble came. And lets be honest given the focus on the state rather than the federal government, the idea of needing a well-armed and trained militia was probably also needed in case the states squabbled (if you want to see some interstate nuttiness, look up the Walton War of 1804 between Georgia and North Carolina).

[Elerond]

 

In Germany, we distinguish between ownership and property. Ownership means that you are the legal owner of something, property means you can also use it.

 

Why am I telling you this? There are two articles regarding property in the German constitution. The first one, the one I want to look at right now, is article 14, which states that 1) the state grants property within certain limits and 2) that “[owning] property bears responsibility. It should always be used in a way that also serves the common good.”

Because of this rationale, only hunters and sportsmen can own guns in the sense of property around here, and those are strictly regulated. Anyone else, including police, soldiers etc can only own guns in the sense of ownership, not property (at least this is how I remember it). So, if you have a gun, you’ll perhaps give it to the police to store it there. You can sell it, but you can’t use it. Police and soldiers can’t take their weapons home either. So the most dangerous weapon I could buy and use around here would probably be a crossbow.

 

This discussion probably won’t lead anywhere. I’m guessing the cultural barriers are too high. It always seemed to me, that America assumes a very positive idea of human nature.... trusting anyone with guns. Perhaps because, aside from the civil war and the partial ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population, you didn’t have much war in your homeland. Europe of course is marked by centuries of warfare; I guess a rather cynical attitude towards human nature comes with that.

Maybe our founding fathers saw what a huge melting pot we was gonna become and gave the right to us as a psychological comfort and also a way to ease up the govt way to "protect" since as a single country we are much bigger than I think any single country in Europe.

In Europe I'm wondering if it is common to have "big" creatures (not snakes and spiders etc) running around that can kill you as well. Like are bears, lions, tigers, etc very common in y'all's countries still?

 

 

We have bears, wolves and lynxes, although in many places they have been hunted to extinction. Here in Finland they are quite common, but city person can live their life without seeing one.

[ShadySands]

Do have a question, as a conservative I can't wrap my mind around WHY and HOW the net neutrality bill is gonna be passed with such a huge amount of the population being against it.

Aren't we the people the power? I guess this will the nail to end that fantasy I guess.

This really just smells like Bush and Obama bailing out the car and airport companies again, because I see Comcast and Verizon using this as an opportunity to make up lost money from much much lower phone contracts and cable TV purchasers.

I don't use Verizon **** for quite some time, now I gotta look at Comcast and see what they got under them that I might be spending money on.

Special interests > the people

 

Call it pro-business and ignore all the complaints. What are you going to do? Vote Democrat? Unlikely

[Malcador]

Or just say the complaints were all bots. 

[Agiel]

 

You also have to remember that Spain (in Florida and a concern for Georgia) and the French and English (Louisiana, Canada) were also still threats. You'd want your frontiersmen and frontierswomen to be able to defend themselves if trouble came. And lets be honest given the focus on the state rather than the federal government, the idea of needing a well-armed and trained militia was probably also needed in case the states squabbled (if you want to see some interstate nuttiness, look up the Walton War of 1804 between Georgia and North Carolina).

 

 

Help, depending on where you were, could also be several days away, and that was just someone on a horse sent out just to relay the message. Today in terms of travel time the entire world is smaller than France was three hundred years ago and in terms of communication literally light speed. 

[Bartimaeus]

 

Do have a question, as a conservative I can't wrap my mind around WHY and HOW the net neutrality bill is gonna be passed with such a huge amount of the population being against it.

Aren't we the people the power? I guess this will the nail to end that fantasy I guess.

This really just smells like Bush and Obama bailing out the car and airport companies again, because I see Comcast and Verizon using this as an opportunity to make up lost money from much much lower phone contracts and cable TV purchasers.

I don't use Verizon **** for quite some time, now I gotta look at Comcast and see what they got under them that I might be spending money on.

Special interests > the people

 

Call it pro-business and ignore all the complaints. What are you going to do? Vote Democrat? Unlikely

 

 

Regulatory capture.

[redneckdevil]

 

Do have a question, as a conservative I can't wrap my mind around WHY and HOW the net neutrality bill is gonna be passed with such a huge amount of the population being against it.

Aren't we the people the power? I guess this will the nail to end that fantasy I guess.

This really just smells like Bush and Obama bailing out the car and airport companies again, because I see Comcast and Verizon using this as an opportunity to make up lost money from much much lower phone contracts and cable TV purchasers.

I don't use Verizon **** for quite some time, now I gotta look at Comcast and see what they got under them that I might be spending money on.

Special interests > the people

 

Call it pro-business and ignore all the complaints. What are you going to do? Vote Democrat? Unlikely

I dunno if voting to empower the govt more is a good way to protest against what the govt is doing...

[ShadySands]

 

 

Do have a question, as a conservative I can't wrap my mind around WHY and HOW the net neutrality bill is gonna be passed with such a huge amount of the population being against it.

Aren't we the people the power? I guess this will the nail to end that fantasy I guess.

This really just smells like Bush and Obama bailing out the car and airport companies again, because I see Comcast and Verizon using this as an opportunity to make up lost money from much much lower phone contracts and cable TV purchasers.

I don't use Verizon **** for quite some time, now I gotta look at Comcast and see what they got under them that I might be spending money on.

Special interests > the people

 

Call it pro-business and ignore all the complaints. What are you going to do? Vote Democrat? Unlikely

I dunno if voting to empower the govt more is a good way to protest against what the govt is doing...

 

That's kinda the point. They can ignore "the will of the people" because their supporters will still support them and their haters will still hate them. Doesn't matter if you disagree with the blatant handout to special interest because at the end of the day they still have your vote. That's all I'm trying to say, it's just life in heavily partisan times.

 

PS Franken set to resign

Edited December 7, 2017 by ShadySands

[Sarex]

LOL

 

edit: One of the brothers introduced himself our Minister of Foreign Affairs, by stating his name following up with "I'm from Kosovo".

Edited December 7, 2017 by Sarex

[redneckdevil]

 

 

 

Do have a question, as a conservative I can't wrap my mind around WHY and HOW the net neutrality bill is gonna be passed with such a huge amount of the population being against it.

Aren't we the people the power? I guess this will the nail to end that fantasy I guess.

This really just smells like Bush and Obama bailing out the car and airport companies again, because I see Comcast and Verizon using this as an opportunity to make up lost money from much much lower phone contracts and cable TV purchasers.

I don't use Verizon **** for quite some time, now I gotta look at Comcast and see what they got under them that I might be spending money on.

Special interests > the people

 

Call it pro-business and ignore all the complaints. What are you going to do? Vote Democrat? Unlikely

I dunno if voting to empower the govt more is a good way to protest against what the govt is doing...

That's kinda the point. They can ignore "the will of the people" because their supporters will still support them and their haters will still hate them. Doesn't matter if you disagree with the blatant handout to special interest because at the end of the day they still have your vote. That's all I'm trying to say, it's just life in heavily partisan times.

 

PS Franken set to resign

I fully agree. I usually vote republican but last election thanks to guard dog, I didn't vote republican and since I didn't like alot if things with our Democrats we're doing, I didn't vote for them either. Granted now I know Johnson woulda been torn to shreds by the media in office.....dammit where are my good options???

[Hurlshort]

LOL

 

edit: One of the brothers introduced himself our Minister of Foreign Affairs, by stating his name following up with "I'm from Kosovo".

 

Do you think you can explain the humor here? I don't get it.

[Zoraptor]

LOL

 

edit: One of the brothers introduced himself our Minister of Foreign Affairs, by stating his name following up with "I'm from Kosovo".

 

Do you think you can explain the humor here? I don't get it.

 

 

It's an ironic lol. Dunno why it's posted now as the article is 18 months old and still has Carter as Secretary of Defence; guess they've just visited Serbia.

 

(Specifically, going to Serbia and saying you're from Kosovo would be like going to Madrid and saying you're from independent Catalonia or Kiev and saying you're from Crimea, Russia. The views on Kosovo in the article all also a bit... controversial; when NATO's version of what happened in Kosovo and the facts match it tends to be pure coincidence)

[Malcador]

This is why I don't have Twitter. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/12/07/august-ames-suicide-sjw-mob-condemns-refusal-work-gay-actors/

Reddit.

[Lexx]

I find it hard to believe she did suicide because some folks on the internet wrote mean things about her for barely a day. I'm certainly not an expert on the matter, but I bet this kind of stuff needs way more time to build up.

[Malcador]

I find it hard to believe she did suicide because some folks on the internet wrote mean things about her for barely a day. I'm certainly not an expert on the matter, but I bet this kind of stuff needs way more time to build up.

 

Yeah, seems like it might have just been the straw that broke the camel's back.  Porn industry chews through people.

[Epaminondas]

Response from a discussion in the Talking Heads thread.

 

I voted for Trump. I didn't vote for him in the primary, but by the time we held ours it didn't matter. I see Trump as deeply flawed, but those flaws are personal and largely irrelevant. It's not important that he's largely an incontinent schmuck. While I don't honestly believe he's racist, his thought pattern is sufficiently inscrutable that you can never know. His language is imprecise. His tweeting is unrelenting. His manners are largely crude and demonstrate a narcissistic inclination. ...And I don't apologize or regret my decision. Trump isn't the problem. He's the result. Anyhow, his policy decisions are, by and large, okay by me.

 

Now, back to regularly scheduled programming.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I find it hard to believe she did suicide because some folks on the internet wrote mean things about her for barely a day. I'm certainly not an expert on the matter, but I bet this kind of stuff needs way more time to build up.

From what I've been able to tell she had a history of depression, could be the straw as Malc suggested. What I find funny is that those who will be making crocodile tears about this are the same who cry about the evil of trigger warnings and the need for snowflakes to toughen up.

[Malcador]

Yep. It was huge on the Canada subreddit, lots of people whining about SJWs. Any corpse as a bludgeon, I guess

[HoonDing]

Trump has tremendous hatred in his heart

 

just look at him

 

Edited December 8, 2017 by HoonDing