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I can't tell you how much I need a better-organized quest journal


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https://i.imgur.com/LJc4BNK.jpg

 

Just looking at this is exhausting. It is why I only recently finished the main story of POE1 despite being a kickstarter backer. I can't deal with it.

 

I don't know if it's normal or if it's related to my being on the autism spectrum, which I didn't know about until my son was diagnosed. Some of what I've learned concerns difficulty with processing information and dealing with too many tasks or too many choices.

 

So part of me thinks it might be just me, but another part of me looks at this and says it's ridiculous; that of course it should be better organized. There are even White March quests here that say nothing at all about where they take place.

 

I don't know how Obsidian wants to organize it. I would really appreciate it if companion quests had their own list. Sort by level? By area it was obtained? By area of the next step in the objectives? I don't think the actual game designers need my help.


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You might have some particular issues as *well*, but it's not just you. That quest journal is a *cluster*****.



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Wait, is that a picture of your current active quests, or does it also include the entries from completed quests?


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It would be also great to have a button on Character Creation screen that would open the Cyclopedia (specifically: Status Effects and Mechanics), because there arise many unanswered questions when trying to create a character for the very first time.
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Wait, is that a picture of your current active quests, or does it also include the entries from completed quests?

 

 

Only the bottom one, "Servant of Death," is inactive.



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I don't quite get what is actually bothering you. You're saying it's bad, but it's not evident to me what exactly is bothering you about that screenshot.

 

The order in which the quests are listed? The descriptive text of the quests?

 

I never had a problem with the quest log; I just do all the available side-quests when I get them before proceeding to the next main quest. I don't think I ever had more than 10 active quests at the same time.


Edited by Doppelschwert, 16 October 2017 - 09:35 AM.

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The journal is as ok as it can get I think. You got your quests/tasks on the left, their phaces/descriptions on the right. What else can be done? The only thing I can think of that could help is to let you custom tag your quests. Like put a number or a color or mark so you can know in what irder you want to solve etc.

 

Now, OP, if I had so many quests gathered in there I would have problems with that too, but this is mostly about you just gathering them and not completing them?


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Quests dont dissapear or get moved to the journal when you complete them? You will just accumulate a giant page of quests over the course of the game? Meaning, the picture shows 26 active quests and 1 inactive. Why didn't the "inactive" quest go away?



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Quests dont dissapear or get moved to the journal when you complete them? You will just accumulate a giant page of quests over the course of the game? Meaning, the picture shows 26 active quests and 1 inactive. Why didn't the "inactive" quest go away?

Inactive quests don't dissapear, but move to the bottom and are greyed out. It might be more handy to create seperate "completed" tab but I didn't find it to be an issue. 

I found journal to be just fine, giving me information I need when I need them. Keep in mind some quests don't give you detailed information because they are not supposed to. I think the biggest problem is that you didn't complete quests - I don't remember ever having that many active quests at any given time. The only issue I had that sometimes division between "sidequests" and "tasks" wasn't that big and I would look for a quest in a wrong tab for half a minute. 

Companions could get their own tab, though they might not be significat enough to need that (seperate tab for 7 quests?.) 


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I think the biggest problem is that you didn't complete quests - I don't remember ever having that many active quests at any given time.


if I had so many quests gathered in there I would have problems with that too, but this is mostly about you just gathering them and not completing them?


I never had a problem with the quest log; I just do all the available side-quests when I get them before proceeding to the next main quest. I don't think I ever had more than 10 active quests at the same time.

That's fair. If I did not allow the list to grow long, it would not be long. I knew that, and for a while I tried to clear it.

 

I would counter, however, that:

 

  1. Sometimes games are played in unexpected ways. I don't think "get a lot of quests" is so far out there that designers can or should ignore it.
  2. Quests beget quests. You travel for one and end up in an area with three more. The quest log can snowball quickly unless you do them in the proper order.
  3. It ended up this way because it started getting long and I said "there's only one way I'm going to manage this" and went straight down the critical path just to see the ending and avoid being spoiled while reading about POE2. It would be even longer, but I started avoiding talking to NPCs.

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Maybe organizing by region or island would help for Deadfire? Or maybe ones which currently have active objectives in a certain area? Given that we're going to be travelling in a much larger region with many more places to visit, it would definetly be wise to have the quest journal have more organization options.



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Maybe organizing by region or island would help for Deadfire? Or maybe ones which currently have active objectives in a certain area? Given that we're going to be travelling in a much larger region with many more places to visit, it would definetly be wise to have the quest journal have more organization options.

If quests will take place mostly in contained areas it would work, yes. However, if quests tend to hop from one map to another (like in PoE) it might be more confusing that anything else, at least in a way I approach the game - I tend to follow quest line threads rather than cleaning areas. I think filter option would be nice. Maybe search for quests active in current area etc.


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That's the basic idea though, to try and apply some filters to them.


Edited by smjjames, 16 October 2017 - 01:48 PM.


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Have you guys seen the journal in DOS2? Compared to it, this is god's gift to RPG community. 


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Organization wise, the D:OS2 quest journal isn't bad, the reason it's bad compared to PoE1 is due to the bugs with quests not closing properly and sometimes due to the way each journal entry was written. Also, in a few cases, it closes too soon, like the Missing prisioners one, it closes when you find the fate of the missing prisioners, but you don't get rewarded until you go back and talk to the warden who you got the quest from.


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Wow. I've never had that many active quests at once but I agree it could definitely be better. It seems quest are not sorted at all except major/minor/critical. I think even if a quest objective changes location from one place to another it would be helpful to at least see where the quest originated (f.e. Defiance Bay).


Edited by Gliese581, 16 October 2017 - 03:28 PM.


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On thing I remember is how the journal annotations updated in what often seemed an illogical manner. I think it would be great of it took into account a quest's own partial ordering and allowed those sections to be order in the manner which the player tackled things.



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What's the best example of a journal in a game?

 

Maybe WoW? It's pretty clearly separated and that. and you can hide or unhide whatever you want.



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What's the best example of a journal in a game?

 

For whatever reason, I actually really enjoyed the way the questlog and journal were done in the game Arcanum. IIRC, they were basically sorted in the order you obtained them, like a real handwritten journal would be. Some were done in slightly different colors, and if you screwed the pooch and failed the quest, they would be crossed out in bright red. Having a journal done in this way, combined with the way PoE 1 quests would update as you progress and had a drop down menu, would be ideal to me. The journal in Arcanum also had other tabs for your reputations, rumors you overheard from NPCs, injuries, combat statistics, player-made notes, the works. 

Also, as I'm looking at my current questlog in PoE, it would be nice (given this system) to have a checkbox or something to hide/minimize completed quests/tasks and make viewing all the current quests a lot easier. 


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meh I didn't have any issues with the journal...

I'd improve it with low priority






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