Political Ocean's 11

[injurai]

Speaking of Gambling ratings, that whole loot box ordeal has been intriguing.

[Malcador]

And the whitewashing history begins. "It's not essential folks", "It's not appropriate", "it's a crime"...

Well in this case that doesn't apply as it's fiction. But generally, not really, as if they decide they don't want to study a play, they can. You can't very well insist they provide a good reason for doing so to your satisfaction, as then you're in a glass house so to speak. And people decide to not study many of his plays for whatever reason - we skipped Tempest, Titus, Midsummer, I'm sure other schools skipped the ones we did. This sort of situation is still far from the hill to die on.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Malcador

[smjjames]

 

I cant actually parse that TN but I can tell youre upset. Let me try a different angle...everything is not one or zero.

 

You see this image:

 

 

Its a fire warning. This type of warning is good.

 

Having to post a warning about every possible trauma, which if not posted will result in ABJECT TERROR ( ), is dumb. Heres a few more good ones to help out those that need it: water can drown you, fire can burn you (see above), electricity can electrocute you, falling from <x> height can break bones, don't eat yellow snow and its dark outside when your location on Earth has rotated away from the sun. All of these examples are totes legit issues people can and do have. Ill try to think up some more when I have time.

Yeah, none of those things are comparable. I'm just as confounded that that toothpicks have warnings about pointy ends as you are. If they were, I'm still not sure why this is the one where the line must be drawn.

 

 

I suspect the toothpick thing is because someone tried to sue them over not knowing it was pointy, people can be idiots. Which is why you often see warnings in manuals that seem obvious common sense, because companies need to protect their legal butts from idiots.

 

It's a COMPLETELY different thing from trigger warnings.

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

 

 

Oh no, how dare they... warn people that rape and violence is happening in these plays? Clearly this is the same thing as burning books! something something cultural marxism something something outrage

Not the same thing... but the latter is only a short step from the former.

you can’t be serious? What is essentially a brief summary of certain moments is close to the same as the censorship and symbolic destruction of literature?

 

By that logic, I might as well say book titles are a short step from censorship, because they direct the readers interest without giving him explicit information.

 

 

I didn't say they were the same or equate them in any way other than to point out the former is a step (even a small one) in the direction of the latter. 

 

 

I'm just going to point out that the slippery slope fallacy is called a fallacy for a reason.

 

 

When it comes to asserting a thing WILL happen, or that one event consequently leads to another sure. I think I've been pretty clear that I'm not necessarily connecting the two. But there is a history here in the US in particular of music. movies, and books especially being banned and it begins with some "moral outrage" over a thing that offends only a few people with the power to take away what they think other's shouldn't see. This is from the article and the words of one of the professors:

 

Another Cambridge lecturer told Newsnight that trigger warnings had been added to the timetable "without discussion", while another admitted they "self-censored" texts on their course to avoid causing offence to some students.

 

​The day that anything has to be censored to avoid hurting the feelings of the poor little dears we are in trouble. Censorship of any stripe does not belong in a school. Especially not one of "higher learning". I think you'll agree censorship and outright banning, while not the same thing, are at the very least the same KIND of thing. 

 

Of course it may be too late anyway. Earlier this year at Northern Arizona University a student was escorted from a classroom for reading a banned book before class. Two years ago right here in Tennessee a middle school student was suspended for reading a banned book during a designated free reading period at school. The school even took that book away from the student before suspending them. Both incidents were the same book by the way. It was the bible. 

 

 

[Hurlshort]

 

And the whitewashing history begins. "It's not essential folks", "It's not appropriate", "it's a crime"...

Well in this case that doesn't apply as it's fiction. But generally, not really, as if they decide they don't want to study a play, they can. You can't very well insist they provide a good reason for doing so to your satisfaction, as then you're in a glass house so to speak. And people decide to not study many of his plays for whatever reason - we skipped Tempest, Titus, Midsummer, I'm sure other schools skipped the ones we did. This sort of situation is still far from the hill to die on.

On the internet, no hill is too small to die on.

[Malcador]

On the internet, no hill is too small to die on.

Well naturally, and paranoia is a drug. But just meant that this kind of thing isn't necessarily going to lead to the other, so best to actually get on the hill to die rather. Then again, not sure people care much about the freedom so much as just wanting to yell "HTFU".

[BruceVC]

Also, why is this talk even a thing?

 

Here’s some actually important information:

-Over the past 12 years, the number of breeding birds in Europe has declined by 15%

-Over the past 27 years, the number of flying insects in Europe of all types has declined by more than 75%

 

Could this perhaps be in any way at least important symptoms of a larger issue? Maybe even causes of bigger problems? Caused by our actions?

 

But instead of taking an honest look at ecological problems; let’s talk about triggers warnings over several pages! Because that sounds like a fundamental issue to modern society.

 

Source;http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa-umwelt-insekten-101.html

Islamic  extremism is the cause of these ecological problems Bennie, everyone knows that    

[injurai]

The more people you let in, the more animals you have to kick out. It's simple math.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

 

It's very weird seeing the side who fought christians, Republicans and "upset parents" book burning and censorship and pushed the envelope of raunchyness and uncomfortable truths become the thing they fought against years ago.

It's ass backwards now and has been for some time and still i can't believe it at times.

U stare into the abyss long enough...

Oh no, how dare they... warn people that rape and violence is happening in these plays? Clearly this is the same thing as burning books! something something cultural marxism something something outrage

Not the same thing... but the latter is only a short step from the former.

you can’t be serious? What is essentially a brief summary of certain moments is close to the same as the censorship and symbolic destruction of literature?

 

By that logic, I might as well say book titles are a short step from censorship, because they direct the readers interest without giving him explicit information.

I didn't say they were the same or equate them in any way other than to point out the former is a step (even a small one) in the direction of the latter.

No, you said that “the latter is only a short step from the former”, indicating not that one is a small step into a certain direction, but that one is only shortly apart from the other.

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

 

 

It's very weird seeing the side who fought christians, Republicans and "upset parents" book burning and censorship and pushed the envelope of raunchyness and uncomfortable truths become the thing they fought against years ago.

It's ass backwards now and has been for some time and still i can't believe it at times.

U stare into the abyss long enough...

Oh no, how dare they... warn people that rape and violence is happening in these plays? Clearly this is the same thing as burning books! something something cultural marxism something something outrage

Not the same thing... but the latter is only a short step from the former.

you can’t be serious? What is essentially a brief summary of certain moments is close to the same as the censorship and symbolic destruction of literature?

 

By that logic, I might as well say book titles are a short step from censorship, because they direct the readers interest without giving him explicit information.

I didn't say they were the same or equate them in any way other than to point out the former is a step (even a small one) in the direction of the latter.

No, you said that “the latter is only a short step from the former”, indicating not that one is a small step into a certain direction, but that one is only shortly apart from the other.

 

 

Yep, I wrote that. Not what I meant to say though. My answer to aluminiumtrioxid in post 422 really outlines what I think on the matter and why. Like I said, there is a history here. I don't think the words banned or censored should ever be used in reference to s book, or any other source of information for that matter. 

[Gfted1]

Im trying to coin a new phrase and I want some input. Since we dont even have to have actually experienced something to then later become triggered by it, what rolls off the tongue better; TRIGGERED by proxy or TRIGGERED adjacent?

 

@Ben No.3: Yep, imo, Ecological collapse will be mankind's final undoing. Your great-grandchildren will stave to death long before climate issues have chance to kill them.  

[Malcador]

Not sure either works, may be better to use imagined. Then again not even sure of the initial assertion, so a new term is moot.

[Ben No.3]

Im trying to coin a new phrase and I want some input. Since we dont even have to have actually experienced something to then later become triggered by it, what rolls off the tongue better; TRIGGERED by proxy or TRIGGERED adjacent?

 

@Ben No.3: Yep, imo, Ecological collapse will be mankind's final undoing. Your great-grandchildren will stave to death long before climate issues have chance to kill them.

if I get to have great grandchildren

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/07/25/health/sperm-counts-declining-study/index.html

[ShadySands]

A Texas town is offering residents relief grants for damage sustained by Hurricane Harvey — but applicants must first promise not to boycott Israel.

 

Also, this

 

Federal judge refuses to erase Joe Arpaio’s conviction despite Trump pardon

“The power to pardon is an executive prerogative of mercy, not of judicial recordkeeping,” Bolton wrote in the decision. “To vacate all rulings in this case would run afoul of this important distinction. The Court found Defendant guilty of criminal contempt.”

 

The president issued the pardon, and Arpaio was spared “from any punishment that might otherwise have been imposed,” the judge wrote. “It did not, however, ‘revise the historical facts’ of this case.”

Edited October 20, 2017 by ShadySands

[injurai]

Im trying to coin a new phrase and I want some input. Since we dont even have to have actually experienced something to then later become triggered by it, what rolls off the tongue better; TRIGGERED by proxy or TRIGGERED adjacent?

 

@Ben No.3: Yep, imo, Ecological collapse will be mankind's final undoing. Your great-grandchildren will stave to death long before climate issues have chance to kill them.  

 

Triggered by projection, or preferably projectile triggering.

[Hiro Protagonist]

It's obvious we need trigger warnings on everything including food, water, everything you see in a supermarket, escalators, elevators, sporting events, participation medals, etc.

 

Because one person may have had a bad experience with a mars bar and we need to protect everyone and give them an informed decision on whether they should participate in everything we do in life.

[injurai]

It's obvious we need trigger warnings on everything including food, water, everything you see in a supermarket, escalators, elevators, sporting events, participation medals, etc.

 

Because one person may have had a bad experience with a mars bar and we need to protect everyone and give them an informed decision on whether they should participate in everything we do in life.

 

You've just reinvented the signs and nutrition labels.

[Malcador]

 

A Texas town is offering residents relief grants for damage sustained by Hurricane Harvey — but applicants must first promise not to boycott Israel.

 

Also, this

 

Federal judge refuses to erase Joe Arpaio’s conviction despite Trump pardon

“The power to pardon is an executive prerogative of mercy, not of judicial recordkeeping,” Bolton wrote in the decision. “To vacate all rulings in this case would run afoul of this important distinction. The Court found Defendant guilty of criminal contempt.”

 

The president issued the pardon, and Arpaio was spared “from any punishment that might otherwise have been imposed,” the judge wrote. “It did not, however, ‘revise the historical facts’ of this case.”

Pretty BS law by the state as well, no state contract if you boycott Israel.

[Malcador]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/politics/wp/2017/10/20/the-white-house-is-increasingly-and-worryingly-using-the-military-as-a-shield-against-criticism/

 

Bit late to be worried about worshipping some one in uniform. Disappointed that no one pressed Sanders on that remark, as well.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Malcador

[Gfted1]

Can someone point out the TRIGGER warning? I'm stuck.

 

[Guard Dog]

Students crash a College Republican and demanded the group be disbanded and the members expelled from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Apparently they were chanting "no free speech for facists" and one of them was quotes as saying "dialogue is violence". Apparently differing political opinions are not to be tolerated at Cal.

 

I love irony. It's my favorite form of humor. But when the people comitting it are too stupid to see it it does lose some of it's flavor.

 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9986 

[Ben No.3]

Students crash a College Republican and demanded the group be disbanded and the members expelled from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Apparently they were chanting "no free speech for facists" and one of them was quotes as saying "dialogue is violence". Apparently differing political opinions are not to be tolerated at Cal.

 

I love irony. It's my favorite form of humor. But when the people comitting it are too stupid to see it it does lose some of it's flavor.

 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9986

well what did the republicans talk about? I mean the right to demonstrate is just as sacred as the right to free speech; and perhaps the repubs did say something worth protesting against. Edited October 21, 2017 by Ben No.3

[smjjames]

Students crash a College Republican and demanded the group be disbanded and the members expelled from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Apparently they were chanting "no free speech for facists" and one of them was quotes as saying "dialogue is violence". Apparently differing political opinions are not to be tolerated at Cal.

 

I love irony. It's my favorite form of humor. But when the people comitting it are too stupid to see it it does lose some of it's flavor.

 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9986

 

They should listen to themselves, "Dialogue is violence", come on. It's these kinds of idiots that make liberals look bad.

 

 

 

Students crash a College Republican and demanded the group be disbanded and the members expelled from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Apparently they were chanting "no free speech for facists" and one of them was quotes as saying "dialogue is violence". Apparently differing political opinions are not to be tolerated at Cal.

 

I love irony. It's my favorite form of humor. But when the people comitting it are too stupid to see it it does lose some of it's flavor.

 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9986

well what did the republicans talk about? I mean the right to demonstrate is just as sacred as the right to free speech; and perhaps the repubs did say something worth protesting against.

 

 

Republican stuff probably? I'm wondering too and wouldn't be surprised if it was something mundane or one of the usual conservative hot topics.

[Guard Dog]

 

Students crash a College Republican and demanded the group be disbanded and the members expelled from the University of California at Santa Cruz. Apparently they were chanting "no free speech for facists" and one of them was quotes as saying "dialogue is violence". Apparently differing political opinions are not to be tolerated at Cal.

 

I love irony. It's my favorite form of humor. But when the people comitting it are too stupid to see it it does lose some of it's flavor.

 

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9986

well what did the republicans talk about? I mean the right to demonstrate is just as sacred as the right to free speech; and perhaps the repubs did say something worth protesting against.

 

 

From what I read it was a club meeting. Crashing it is as stupid as crashing the chess club because you hate chess. 

[Hurlshort]

Santa Cruz is filled with crazy liberals, news at 11.