Hurlshort Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I am a bit surprised, and this isn't just for Trump, that there isn't more oversight and approval needed for travel when it comes to people under the Secret Service umbrella. For example, a business trip that doesn't involve state business should probably be at least partially covered by the business itself, and there should be some sort of cap when it comes to vacation travel, or at least a percentage that is put up by the private party. I do remember what a hullabaloo was raised over Obama's Hawaii trip. Funny how those sources are probably all pretty quiet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Obama travelled a heck of a lot less, so, the cost to the Secret Service never became an actual problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 WoD, I'm curious who you think is in the right here (if the quote is accurate.) Bannon or Trump? I'd probably agree with Bannon myself in this scenario. I'm not sure I'd word it the same way, but the Trump White House does seem to be completely disconnected to the Republican party at this point. It's not really a question of right, since Trump can have whoever he wants working for him. The problem is Bannon represents what Trump ran on, and now Trump has almost no one who stands for those things in the White House, which is very disconcerting for those who voted for him. 1 "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 our President, staring at the eclipse with naked eyes. an aide in the blue room is heard shouting, "don't look!" the President then dons appropriate safety glasses. ... the funny thing is, the 20-30% who admit they will agree with trump regardless o' what he actually says, will somehow see the above image as proof o' trump toughness or independence or something similar. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I know your stance on Seinfeld, but I can't help but note that like George Costanza the Donald is probably the type that stares at Denise Richards' cleavage for too long as well. “Looking at the sun is like looking at cleavage! You don’t stare at it, it’s too risky! You get a sense of it then you look away!” Edited August 21, 2017 by Agiel 4 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 our President, staring at the eclipse with naked eyes. an aide in the blue room is heard shouting, "don't look!" the President then dons appropriate safety glasses. ... the funny thing is, the 20-30% who admit they will agree with trump regardless o' what he actually says, will somehow see the above image as proof o' trump toughness or independence or something similar. HA! Good Fun! Was he actually staring at it for a bit (i.e. more than maybe a second at most), or was it just a quick look? Most people probably took a quick look at it at some point...I think I saw his wife look without the glasses for a couple of seconds, and a bunch of dummies on TV were doing worse than that. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 a bunch of dummies on TV were doing worse than that. you didn't seriously go there, did you? HA! Good Fun! ps well, for all the folks who thinks they managed to escape injury, tomorrow is actual when you will know if your eyes is damaged. "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I think Trump's address of the Afghanistan Strategy is his strongest moment yet, and lord knows he hasn't had many. I realize this plan wasn't put together by Trump alone and further he has some great speech writers, but Trump did okay all of it and no doubt had a hand as well. If there was anything I particularly disliked about the Obama administration it was it's foreign policy. Some of it was populist driven and opportunistic coming off of Bush's legacy, but a lot of it was gross and senseless. It will be interesting to see how US foreign policy plays out over the next three and a half years. I hope that this address does not become harrowing in hindsight, but having learned from Iraq I expect complications to come less from our nation and more from geopolitical upheaval in the region that once again pushes us into unknown and unprecedented territory. I think for me a highlight was acknowledging India as a partner in the Democratic world, far too long I feel they have been under-appreciated. Other highlights include moving away from time-tables, and the abandonment of nation building on behalf of another people's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If they ask for help on something, we still should give them that help though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It was a good speech and hopefully the follow-through will be effective. That, of course, is the tough part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 a bunch of dummies on TV were doing worse than that. you didn't seriously go there, did you? HA! Good Fun! ps well, for all the folks who thinks they managed to escape injury, tomorrow is actual when you will know if your eyes is damaged. Sorry, don't quite get your gist for the "you didn't go there" bit. What, Trump is a dummy on TV? Sadly, I nearly live in Canada, and it was raining, so there was effectively no eclipse of any kind here... Oh well. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Apparently even a quarter second can be risky. As for Afghanistan, wonder if they'll ever say how they will determine commitment and progress. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 image our President, staring at the eclipse with naked eyes. an aide in the blue room is heard shouting, "don't look!" the President then dons appropriate safety glasses. ... the funny thing is, the 20-30% who admit they will agree with trump regardless o' what he actually says, will somehow see the above image as proof o' trump toughness or independence or something similar. HA! Good Fun! LOL, what a bull**** no story. Here is a video of the situation: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/aug/21/donald-trump-look-directly-sun-eclipse-video Only a really dum... oh it's Gromnir, nevermind. HA! Good Fun! it were a dumb thing to do. period. to do such a dumb and potential dangerous (doesn't even take a full second o' naked-eye eclipse viewing to do permanent damage) thing in front o' cameras and reporters and crowds o' people is particular perplexing, though not unexpected from this President. act the buffoon on camera is, after all, part o' his schtick. your reflexive defense o' the indefensible is similar perplexing but equal expected. HA! Good Fun! ps we did have a couple chuckle moments during the trump speech. the President admitted how his first reaction were to get outta afghanistan, then a few minutes later he pointed out how it were "obvious" a withdrawal from afghanistan would be disastrous on multiple levels. other than a few such blunders, there were nothing noteworthy good or bad to takeaway from the speech. no real details. no explanations as to how one helps afghanistan to defend themselves without considerable US infrastructure input and investment. no actual illumination as to what success in afghanistan will look like. etc. converse, no clear faux pas and no clear points o' concern. even so, as with his address to Congress, trump can at least look Presidential when he simple reads the script provided. am suspecting trump approval will get a small boost following his speech and one hopes trump might learn something from the lingering popularity glow he will enjoy in the wake o' a small successes such as his public sharing o' his afghanistan plan. then again, one expects trump to be trump at the upcoming arizona rally. in a few hours, the valley o' the sun will no doubt be scorched by trump's typical befuddled ranting, incoherent non sequiturs and outright lies... all o' which will impress the heck outta sharp and a bunch o' the "very fine people" who were seen marching with david duke in charlottesville. "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Trump's speech at the rally is worth a watch. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/03/president-donald-j-trump-signs-hjres-69-hjres-83-hr-1228-sjres-34-law On Monday, April 3, 2017, the President signed into law: H.J.Res. 69, which nullifies the Department of the Interior's Fish and Wildlife Service's final rule relating to non-subsistence takings of wildlife on National Wildlife Refuges in Alaska; H.J.Res. 83, which nullifies the Department of Labor's rule titled Clarification of Employer's Continuing Obligation to Make and Maintain an Accurate Record of Each Recordable Injury and Illness; and H.R. 1228, which provides for the appointment of members of the Board of Directors of the Office of Compliance to replace members whose terms expire during March and May of 2017; and S.J.Res. 34 – which nullifies the Federal Communications Commission’s rule on privacy of customers of broadband and other telecommunications services. Nothing says freedom like getting spied on by your cable provider. God Bless America. 2 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-strange-story-of-that-%E2%80%98blacks-for-trump%E2%80%99-guy-standing-behind-potus-at-his-phoenix-rally/ar-AAqzQon?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp ... am honest not sure what to say. "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 American Cultural Revolution: http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/23/american-anarchy-parallels-chinas-cultural-revolution/ Although I'd say ours is more of a farce. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 The "tearing down" of the statues is pretty tame in this supposed iteration Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-strange-story-of-that-‘blacks-for-trump’-guy-standing-behind-potus-at-his-phoenix-rally/ar-AAqzQon?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp ... am honest not sure what to say. "HA! Good Fun!"? 2 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) @Malcador That's only the beginning, the Red Guards feeling their oats. Edited August 23, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 @Malcador That's only the beginning, the Red Guards feeling their oats. Maybe, not sure it is time to panic about the Red Menace raising its head (well, or what exactly the counter measure would be). Interestingly I wasn't really aware of what they were going to do with all the statues to Confederate generals/leaders/icons, some are being donated to museums or private owners, others relocated. Generally it seems they'll all be left intact, but I guess news aren't going to focus on mundane things (well that and I've not the time now to hunt down local articles, etc. ) such as that Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Maybe they should be gifted to confederates to tend relations. /s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-strange-story-of-that-%E2%80%98blacks-for-trump%E2%80%99-guy-standing-behind-potus-at-his-phoenix-rally/ar-AAqzQon?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp ... am honest not sure what to say. I'm speechless. Media are literally starting to target Trump supporters and voters. I'm afraid that if the liberals will regain (by elections or coup) power, then the Trump voter will face the same treaent as japanese americans during WWII. It's just curiosity of "Who's that guy we keep seeing at rallys?" than any malevolent reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) * pops sharp_ones media bubble with a thumbtack labelled "reason" edit: Boo, the /me tag doesn't work here. Edited August 24, 2017 by smjjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I think Trump's address of the Afghanistan Strategy is his strongest moment yet, and lord knows he hasn't had many. I realize this plan wasn't put together by Trump alone and further he has some great speech writers, but Trump did okay all of it and no doubt had a hand as well. If there was anything I particularly disliked about the Obama administration it was it's foreign policy. Some of it was populist driven and opportunistic coming off of Bush's legacy, but a lot of it was gross and senseless. It will be interesting to see how US foreign policy plays out over the next three and a half years. I hope that this address does not become harrowing in hindsight, but having learned from Iraq I expect complications to come less from our nation and more from geopolitical upheaval in the region that once again pushes us into unknown and unprecedented territory. I think for me a highlight was acknowledging India as a partner in the Democratic world, far too long I feel they have been under-appreciated. Other highlights include moving away from time-tables, and the abandonment of nation building on behalf of another people's. Honestly, if Trump stuck to his script and stayed off Twitter, I don't think there would be a lot to complain about. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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