Elerond Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. That's not unusual. But here's what is: The group's chair founded the company that paid President Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government. This mashup of money involving Turks, Flynn and Trump has concerned ethics experts who worry about a "pay-to-play" atmosphere in Washington. Here are the basics: Alptekin also is the founder of Inovo BV, a company that paid Flynn's consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, $530,000 for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government. Ruya Eichelberger, a spokesperson for the American Turkish Council, says the dates when the organization wanted to hold the conference this year weren't open at the Ritz-Carlton. They did their first walk-through at the Trump hotel in 2015, she says, while it was under construction, and booked it in October 2016. The previous annual conference took place at the Ritz-Carlton from Oct. 30 to Nov. 1, 2016. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. Edited March 21, 2017 by Elerond
Zoraptor Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Size arguments also don't hold much water, generally the larger the system the more efficient it is rather than the reverse. Can you provide a link to a US sized UHC? Id be interested to read up on this. No, but then there aren't any 300 million population countries except the US since the closest in population is Indonesia, an entire UK population away. There are plenty of countries with similar or lower GDP/c to the US with UHC though, and the limiting factor ought to be available cash, not size. UHC seems to work fine for countries from the size of, say, Japan to Luxembourg- about a 250 fold population range- and gives a qualitatively better (to population as a whole) and cheaper result so I'd suggest that any argument that the US is a special case due to its size would require evidence of why its size specifically makes it a special case. Obviously the US is a special case relative to UHC countries, due to it having a significantly different and established system, the question is more whether it has to have that system as UHC wouldn't work there or whether the US system evolved to be inefficient/ 'broken'. The size argument is certainly general case, but there's no evidence of larger socialised health care systems being less efficient than small ones right up to Japan's size, rather the reverse since despite having an aged population Japan's system is cheaper per capita than most others. 2
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. That's not unusual. But here's what is: The group's chair founded the company that paid President Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government. This mashup of money involving Turks, Flynn and Trump has concerned ethics experts who worry about a "pay-to-play" atmosphere in Washington. Here are the basics: Alptekin also is the founder of Inovo BV, a company that paid Flynn's consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, $530,000 for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government. Ruya Eichelberger, a spokesperson for the American Turkish Council, says the dates when the organization wanted to hold the conference this year weren't open at the Ritz-Carlton. They did their first walk-through at the Trump hotel in 2015, she says, while it was under construction, and booked it in October 2016. The previous annual conference took place at the Ritz-Carlton from Oct. 30 to Nov. 1, 2016. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. whole text is in past tense so I am not sure what d you mean I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. whole text is in past tense so I am not sure what d you mean I highlighted ethics concerns mentioned in the article
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. whole text is in past tense so I am not sure what d you mean I highlighted ethics concerns mentioned in the article Again, all this stuff happen when he was NOT part of government. Are there any records of that lobbing happening now? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. whole text is in past tense so I am not sure what d you mean I highlighted ethics concerns mentioned in the article Again, all this stuff happen when he was NOT part of government. Are there any records of that lobbing happening now? You are saying that meeting that has not happened has already happened? See this line "This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group." Here even with more detail "What: The 36th Annual Conference on U.S.-Turkey Relations is scheduled for May 21-23." And who is giving money to Trump "Who: The Turkey-U.S. Business Council, known as TAIK, and the American Turkish Council are the sponsors. The former group is chaired by a Turkish-American businessman, Ekim Alptekin, who has ties to the Turkish government." "More about who: Alptekin also is the founder of Inovo BV, a company that paid Flynn's consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, $530,000 for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government." And then there is this "But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers." And here you have in more detail what article says about ethics concerns.
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. whole text is in past tense so I am not sure what d you mean I highlighted ethics concerns mentioned in the article Again, all this stuff happen when he was NOT part of government. Are there any records of that lobbing happening now? You are saying that meeting that has not happened has already happened? See this line "This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group." Here even with more detail "What: The 36th Annual Conference on U.S.-Turkey Relations is scheduled for May 21-23." And who is giving money to Trump "Who: The Turkey-U.S. Business Council, known as TAIK, and the American Turkish Council are the sponsors. The former group is chaired by a Turkish-American businessman, Ekim Alptekin, who has ties to the Turkish government." "More about who: Alptekin also is the founder of Inovo BV, a company that paid Flynn's consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, $530,000 for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government." And then there is this "But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers." And here you have in more detail what article says about ethics concerns. Still not sure whats that big deal here, its not like lobbying started with Trump and its not like he done anything wrong in this regard either I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Speaking about Turkish enrichment http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/03/21/520183360/at-trumps-d-c-hotel-a-u-s-turkey-relations-conference-stirs-up-ethics-questions?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews At Trump's D.C. Hotel, A U.S.-Turkey Relations Conference Stirs Up Ethics Questions This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group. But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers. ehh well, so someone is concerned about 'ethics' of previously business mans advisor paying for lobbing while Hillary already being part of government is getting paid by Saudi is not seen as unethical? oh cmon... You mean that they are concerned of private businesses that current president has with foreign power. whole text is in past tense so I am not sure what d you mean I highlighted ethics concerns mentioned in the article Again, all this stuff happen when he was NOT part of government. Are there any records of that lobbing happening now? You are saying that meeting that has not happened has already happened? See this line "This spring, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., will host a three-day event co-hosted by a business group." Here even with more detail "What: The 36th Annual Conference on U.S.-Turkey Relations is scheduled for May 21-23." And who is giving money to Trump "Who: The Turkey-U.S. Business Council, known as TAIK, and the American Turkish Council are the sponsors. The former group is chaired by a Turkish-American businessman, Ekim Alptekin, who has ties to the Turkish government." "More about who: Alptekin also is the founder of Inovo BV, a company that paid Flynn's consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, $530,000 for lobbying work that may have benefited the Turkish government." And then there is this "But ethics experts have concerns about special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign governments bringing their business to Trump, who has a dual role as president and innkeeper. These critics point to the U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause, which prohibits presidents from accepting benefits from foreign powers." And here you have in more detail what article says about ethics concerns. Still not sure whats that big deal here, its not like lobbying started with Trump and its not like he done anything wrong in this regard either He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics.
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Hurlshort Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Not sure how that excuses anything, since people were clamoring to throw Hillary in jail.
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Not sure how that excuses anything, since people were clamoring to throw Hillary in jail. yeah but not because of Saudi dollars. I am not saying I agree with lobbying, I am just saying its not anything new or related to Trump I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Clinton's had business that took money from foreign powers when Bill was president?
Elerond Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Not sure how that excuses anything, since people were clamoring to throw Hillary in jail. yeah but not because of Saudi dollars. I am not saying I agree with lobbying, I am just saying its not anything new or related to Trump How is it not related to Trump that business that he owns take money from foreign powers?
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Clinton's had business that took money from foreign powers when Bill was president? Yes - Well it was his wife 'Charity' but we all know better: http://www.politifact.com/arizona/statements/2016/jul/11/donald-trump/did-hillary-clinton-take-money-countries-treat-wom/ https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/why-did-the-saudi-regime-and-other-gulf-tyrannies-donate-millions-to-the-clinton-foundation/ Edited March 22, 2017 by Chilloutman I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 in other news, another enrichment, today in London: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/man-shot-police-outside-parliament-officer-reportedly-shoots/ I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Elerond Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Clinton's had business that took money from foreign powers when Bill was president? Yes - Well it was his wife 'Charity' but we all know better: http://www.politifact.com/arizona/statements/2016/jul/11/donald-trump/did-hillary-clinton-take-money-countries-treat-wom/ https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/why-did-the-saudi-regime-and-other-gulf-tyrannies-donate-millions-to-the-clinton-foundation/ Clinton Foundation was founded by Bill in 1997 for rising funds for to build presidential library in Little Rock, Arkansas. It become charity in 2001, which is when Bill Clinton become its sole key member. Hilary didn't have official position in it until 2013. Although she had ethics agreement (which was criticized because of possible of conflict of interest that it still left open by ethics experts) with State Department during her time as Secretary of State. I would also point out that Bill Clinton was found to be in violation of ethics and more during his presidency. Also Washington Post for example reported possible ethics conflict for Hillary because of her role in Clinton Foundation in 2014, just because she was making her 2016 presidency bid, which lead Hilary giving up her position in foundation in 2015.
Wrath of Dagon Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 1 "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Gfted1 Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Muslim on muslim = Kardashians 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
HoonDing Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Kardashians are Christians. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Zoraptor Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 He is taking money from foreign power, which is against U.S. Constitution's Emoluments Clause according those who have expressed their concerns about ethics. same as Clintons Clinton's had business that took money from foreign powers when Bill was president? Both the Bushes did as well. W especially also got funding after leaving the presidency in nearly the exact same style as Hillary/ Bill did, though I'm pretty sure he actually wound up his charity once his library was built instead of keeping it going. W's VP was also infamous for his intricate relationship with Halbech Halliburton-Bechtel. In any case, Trump is not special in that regard. Don't think Obama did though*, but then Obama was (perhaps consequentially) intensely disliked by the usual suspects of Saudi, Israel, other Gulf states etc; and he was not a businessman before politics. *except the still hilarious Nobel Prize money from well known bribery black hole Norway; and that went to charity.
Malcador Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 So amusingly whiny. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Wrath of Dagon Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Can't be whiny if it's true. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
FlintlockJazz Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Amusingly here, if you speak out against Israel you are marked as anti-semitic. "That rabbit's dynamite!" - King Arthur, Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail "Space is big, really big." - Douglas Adams
BruceVC Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lobbies-congress-eve-key-health-care-vote-220135684.html Big vote today for Trumps new health care bill....I wonder how it will go ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Deadly_Nightshade Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lobbies-congress-eve-key-health-care-vote-220135684.html Big vote today for Trumps new health care bill....I wonder how it will go ? It's looking like it won't even pass the House... But worse laws have passed with more support, see the Patriot Act, so who knows... "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot
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