alternative facts

[Volourn]

Hey Gifted you just TRIGGERED me with that post of yours. I'm gonna find a way to buy Obsidian just so I can ban you and your offensive post. MmmKAYYYYYYY?

[Gfted1]

You can take my mod badge, but you can never take my freeeeedoooooom!

 

Who knew Twitter was worth 12B anyhow!

[Hurlshort]

I will chip in to let Volo buy Obs. He will probably ban me but I look forward to the Dwarf focused rpg he will develop.

[Gromnir]

am not sure if buying twitter to prevent trump from posting alternative facts via that medium is in keeping with the spirit o' the thread, but more than once we has blurred such lines. all good.

 

in any event, phoenix offered far too many alternative facts to post all in one place.  couple links to get started.

 

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/23/545504933/fact-check-10-statements-from-trumps-phoenix-speech

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/22/fact-checking-president-donald-trumps-campaign-ral/

 

oh, and an oldie-but-goodie... 'cause we were gone from the boards for a bit.

 

 

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/analysis-good-news-for-border-residents-no-one-is-throwing-60-pound-bags-of-drugs-over-a-50-foot-wall/ar-BBEp9cW?ocid=spartanntp

 

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[Chilloutman]

i doubt Volo would ban anyone, he will rutn this to 4chan

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

4chan bans a lot though.

[HoonDing]

McGregor will make boxing great again.

[Gromnir]

clean coal

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/what-%e2%80%98clean-coal%e2%80%99-is-%e2%80%94-and-isn%e2%80%99t/ar-AAqBmKx?ocid=spartanntp

 

"Only one coal plant in the United States, the Petra Nova project in Texas, actually captures CO2 in this fashion, having come online in January with the help of $190 million from the Obama administration."

 

"Critics note that “clean coal” is a misleading term for any of these techniques. Even a coal power plant that emits fewer pollutants is still a far dirtier way to produce electricity than a natural gas, nuclear, wind or solar plant."

 

but at least the US is looking for technologies to make coal cleaner, no? well...

 

"Mr. Trump’s budget for 2018 also proposed cutting by 85 percent funding for the Office of Fossil Energy, the federal agency that is currently researching techniques to reduce pollution from coal."

 

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[pmp10]

"Critics note that “clean coal” is a misleading term for any of these techniques. Even a coal power plant that emits fewer pollutants is still a far dirtier way to produce electricity than a natural gas, nuclear, wind or solar plant."

And that is an alternative fact.

There are carbon sequestration technologies that could make coal plants cleaner than natural gas.

It's the expense that makes it questionable.

[Gromnir]

 

"Critics note that “clean coal” is a misleading term for any of these techniques. Even a coal power plant that emits fewer pollutants is still a far dirtier way to produce electricity than a natural gas, nuclear, wind or solar plant."

And that is an alternative fact.

There are carbon sequestration technologies that could make coal plants cleaner than natural gas.

It's the expense that makes it questionable.

 

you didn't read the article, or the quote.  

 

sequestration doesn't actual emit and is addressed in the article.  again, "Only one coal plant in the United States, the Petra Nova project in Texas, actually captures CO2 in this fashion, having come online in January with the help of $190 million from the Obama administration."

 

the quote you selective reply to is in reference to actual attempting to scrub or clean coal to reduce emissions.

 

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Edited August 26, 2017 by Gromnir

[pmp10]

the quote you selective reply to is in reference to actual attempting to scrub or clean coal to reduce emissions.

Right, sorry. Edited August 26, 2017 by pmp10

[Gromnir]

"The Justice Department said in a court briefing filed late Friday that neither it nor the FBI has evidence that Trump Tower was the target of surveillance efforts by the Obama administration during the 2016 presidential election."

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348987-justice-dept-says-it-has-no-evidence-of-trump-tower-wiretapping

 

any chance the wh apologizes for spreading fake news?

 

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[Leferd]

"The Justice Department said in a court briefing filed late Friday that neither it nor the FBI has evidence that Trump Tower was the target of surveillance efforts by the Obama administration during the 2016 presidential election."

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348987-justice-dept-says-it-has-no-evidence-of-trump-tower-wiretapping

 

any chance the wh apologizes for spreading fake news?

 

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Obisously the DoJ and FBI are part of the Deep State conspiracy to prevent Trump's MAGA agenda.

[redneckdevil]

Seeing how the same ones said that Hillary didn't have anything on her hard drives...

 

C'mon this is big brother, we ALL being supervised.

[Malcador]

Good thing about conspiracies is the absence of evidence is evidence itself.

[Gromnir]

Good thing about conspiracies is the absence of evidence is evidence itself.

 

and 'course if the doj had found evidence o' wiretaps, the left-wing conspiracy nutters would point out just how quick the attorney general were to help oust the head of the fbi 'cause comey were angering trump. the ag were not exactly placing himself between the President's wrath and the fbi when it came to ousting comey, so why would he do so to protect obama? surely sessions, with the entire resources o' doj at his disposal, coulda' found a few goons to fabricate or skew evidence to make obama look bad and save trump's reputation.  

 

old saw 'bout how conspiracies is like mushrooms, no? sh!t and darkness is what both need to grow.

 

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[Hurlshort]

Given that she lost, it is hard to drum up any enthusiasm about the subject of Hillary's emails.

[redneckdevil]

Granted those emails the FBI said they never found were also the emails that cost her her election

[SonicMage117]

 

Whenever I see this thread, I think of this^

 

Yes'm... God help me!

 

 

 

[Gromnir]

 

"The Justice Department said in a court briefing filed late Friday that neither it nor the FBI has evidence that Trump Tower was the target of surveillance efforts by the Obama administration during the 2016 presidential election."

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348987-justice-dept-says-it-has-no-evidence-of-trump-tower-wiretapping

 

any chance the wh apologizes for spreading fake news?

 

HA! Good Fun!

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

 

"any chance the wh apologizes for spreading fake news?"

 

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is kinda like "collusion"?  sharp simple doesn't understand what is wiretapping, or perhaps who is obama? maybe didn't botherr to actual read trump's tweet regarding obama and wiretapping?  well, am nothing if not helpful.

 

 

"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"— Donald J. Trump 

 

https://lawfareblog.com/latest-scoops-cnn-and-new-york-times-quick-and-dirty-analysis

 

"Press reports have indicated for months that at least one, and potentially multiple, close associates of Donald Trump were subject to FISA warrants. It is possible now—as has been noted many times since Trump tweeted his accusation in March—that if the U.S. president was in communication with these individuals, his communications might have been incidentally collected. That isn’t the same as being wiretapped—and being subject to incidental collection as part of lawful collection against a third party really is not the same thing as being wiretapped by President Obama. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes has already attempted to spin incidental collection into presidential vindication in a bizarre series of press conferences unveiling intelligence revelations—which later turned out to have been fed to him by the White House itself." (emphasis added)

 

"Nothing in this report vindicates Trump’s claims that he or Trump Tower were wiretapped."

 

'course the big takeaway from all o' this, other than the bumbling fumbduckery o' the trump campaign to bring manafort into the fold in the first place, is mueller appears to have flynn and manafort in a situation where either or both will feel pressure to make a deal... or spin the wheel.

 

 

though most important takeaway is the revelation o' the manafort warrant.  trump claimed "illegal," in his misguided tweets, but possible most significant is there does appear to have been a warrant granted for manafort electronic surveillance.  am knowing we has tried to explain previous, but USA "probable cause" is not same as most european nation "probable cause."  in the US, the cops need more than mere suspicion--need real evidence to get the warrant.  no rogue operation.  is no wild goose chase as alt-right suggests if there is warrant.

 

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ps  gotta add the following scene:

 

 

love the monologue.

Edited September 19, 2017 by Gromnir

[Gromnir]

not a good week for the truth

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/09/29/trump-aides-sell-tax-plan-with-pinocchio-laden-claims/?utm_term=.362567c228cc

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/fact-checking-trumps-claims-from-his-speech-on-taxes/ar-AAsy8vm?ocid=spartanntp

 

am actual in favor o' a tax overhaul and a lowering o' corporate tax, but the wh defense o' their proposal has been reminiscent o' those old jon lovitz snl segments. 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/28/sarah-huckabee-sanders-piles-more-b-s-on-top-of-trumps-bogus-thad-cochran-claim/?utm_term=.40bdda10eb24

 

am not certain why the wh were trying to defend the thad cochran blunder, but this wh never admits an error even when defense makes one appear clownish.

 

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[Gromnir]

resurrected for a particular curious trumpian alternative facts addition

 

"Trump's view that ice caps 'setting records' baffles scientists"

 

 

arctic cap is doing a wicked witch death scene impression but for trump...

 

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[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Trump’s implication that glaciers and ice caps are growing “is simply wrong. Or maybe he is referring to a different planet,” Zemp said.

Alternate Facts for an Alternative Planet.

[Valsuelm]

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

[injurai]

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

 

This is sort of a red herring. Because in Antarctic winters, it's too dry to snow. But during it's summers is when it amasses all it's new ice mass. With increasing global temperatures it's expected that Anarctica enjoys of period of increasing mass. The problem is that continued warming will lead to milder winters, and will revert back to a period of even worse calving. Another issues is that much of the mass is added to the core of the Antarctic, where as it's ice sheets continue to recess. The decrease in surface area lowers the amount of solar radiation reflected back into space, and it's the surface area at the edges (i.e. the ice sheets) that reflect the most light away from the planet.