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The Nest Above the Clouds - bad design?

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So in this quest, a sky dragon has taken over a temple of Hylea in order to raise its hatchling.

 

You can talk with the dragon, but there's almost no point. Despite there being multiple ways to question the dragon's judgement or suggest it should leave, it will invariably attack you unless you just agree with it completely.

 

Given the fact that Hylia would clearly value the dragon's life (since Hylia is the goddess of flying creatures and motherhood), AND the fact that Hylia clearly cares about her priests who were driven from the temple (she gave you a vision to help them), there is absolutely no way to broker any kind of truce.

 

This just feels like lazy writing/quest design. Am I alone in this? Anyone feel the same way?


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The wiki seems to suggest you can allow it to flee with it's kid, though only after it's mortally wounded. I don't know how to trigger that, though, it just died for me.



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I spared the dragon and still managed to obtain Bird Brain's blessing... It's entirely possible.

 

Her followers were also accepting of it, given they understand what their Goddess stands for, well... The loud mouth one wasn't, but the guy was.


Edited by Sylvanpyxie, 07 April 2015 - 03:18 PM.


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I'd have liked to be able to negotiate a "stay, but promise not to eat people" option.


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The wiki seems to suggest you can allow it to flee with it's kid, though only after it's mortally wounded. I don't know how to trigger that, though, it just died for me.

Yeah that didn't work for me, either. It just died.



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I was able to let the dragon to stay and still got Hylea's blessing, so it's totally possible. One of the two followers at her ruined temple wasn't too crazy about it, but the other dug it.



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Yep, I left the dragon and her kid alone, and Hylea was fine with it.

 

Also led to one of my favourite dialogue exchanges (paraphrasing here):

 

Hylea: You spared the dragon?  But the value of life is in creation; what do dragons create?

Me: More dragons!


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Yep, I left the dragon and her kid alone, and Hylea was fine with it.

Also led to one of my favourite dialogue exchanges (paraphrasing here):

Hylea: You spared the dragon? But the value of life is in creation; what do dragons create?
Me: More dragons!

Lol, yeah, that response was hilarious. But it totally makes sense, she should appreciate parenthood, no? :p

How did she react to it, by the way? I went with fire. My actual motivation was death, but I figured it doesn't mesh well with her question about creation. I did choose Berath's way in the end...

Edited by Rosveen, 10 April 2015 - 03:56 AM.


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So in this quest, a sky dragon has taken over a temple of Hylea in order to raise its hatchling.

 

You can talk with the dragon, but there's almost no point. Despite there being multiple ways to question the dragon's judgement or suggest it should leave, it will invariably attack you unless you just agree with it completely.

 

Given the fact that Hylia would clearly value the dragon's life (since Hylia is the goddess of flying creatures and motherhood), AND the fact that Hylia clearly cares about her priests who were driven from the temple (she gave you a vision to help them), there is absolutely no way to broker any kind of truce.

 

This just feels like lazy writing/quest design. Am I alone in this? Anyone feel the same way?

I most definitely brokered a truce there on my second runthrough.



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So in this quest, a sky dragon has taken over a temple of Hylea in order to raise its hatchling.

You can talk with the dragon, but there's almost no point. Despite there being multiple ways to question the dragon's judgement or suggest it should leave, it will invariably attack you unless you just agree with it completely.

Given the fact that Hylia would clearly value the dragon's life (since Hylia is the goddess of flying creatures and motherhood), AND the fact that Hylia clearly cares about her priests who were driven from the temple (she gave you a vision to help them), there is absolutely no way to broker any kind of truce.

This just feels like lazy writing/quest design. Am I alone in this? Anyone feel the same way?

I most definitely brokered a truce there on my second runthrough.
How? You can convince Hylea to accept your decision to leave the dragon alive, but you can't actually talk the dragon into living semi-peacefully. She and her kids are still a massive danger to all kith in the vicinity and the temple stays unusable.

Not that I complain, I mean it's a dragon, I can't blame her for not caring what pesky little humans want of her.

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I felt happy with the decision to leave the dragon up there.

 

A.  The folks in Eir Glanfath could likely cut a deal with her - just let her eat all the looters!

B.  With a massive dragon and her brood kicking around, maybe the tribes in Twin Elms won't be so nasty to each other, I mean, a moment of weakness could bring dragon sponsored death from the sky!

C.  Hylea gets a new temple, eventually. 



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Yep, I left the dragon and her kid alone, and Hylea was fine with it.

Also led to one of my favourite dialogue exchanges (paraphrasing here):

Hylea: You spared the dragon? But the value of life is in creation; what do dragons create?
Me: More dragons!

Lol, yeah, that response was hilarious. But it totally makes sense, she should appreciate parenthood, no? :p

How did she react to it, by the way? I went with fire. My actual motivation was death, but I figured it doesn't mesh well with her question about creation. I did choose Berath's way in the end...

 

Hylea: ...that's circular, but yeah, okay.


Edited by sparklecat, 10 April 2015 - 08:59 AM.


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Hylea is not a godess of kith, but of all winged creatures and parenthood. No surprise she played favorites with the dragon mother.

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So in this quest, a sky dragon has taken over a temple of Hylea in order to raise its hatchling.

You can talk with the dragon, but there's almost no point. Despite there being multiple ways to question the dragon's judgement or suggest it should leave, it will invariably attack you unless you just agree with it completely.

Given the fact that Hylia would clearly value the dragon's life (since Hylia is the goddess of flying creatures and motherhood), AND the fact that Hylia clearly cares about her priests who were driven from the temple (she gave you a vision to help them), there is absolutely no way to broker any kind of truce.

This just feels like lazy writing/quest design. Am I alone in this? Anyone feel the same way?

I most definitely brokered a truce there on my second runthrough.
How? You can convince Hylea to accept your decision to leave the dragon alive, but you can't actually talk the dragon into living semi-peacefully. She and her kids are still a massive danger to all kith in the vicinity and the temple stays unusable.

Not that I complain, I mean it's a dragon, I can't blame her for not caring what pesky little humans want of her.

 

 

Just to interject here: According to the Wiki (spoilers on the page), mature dragons do not seek unecessary conflict, so it's possible they could live in relative peace, as long as the dang humans leave them alone :) After all, she didn't attack us on sight, so she's not some total murderer



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So in this quest, a sky dragon has taken over a temple of Hylea in order to raise its hatchling.

You can talk with the dragon, but there's almost no point. Despite there being multiple ways to question the dragon's judgement or suggest it should leave, it will invariably attack you unless you just agree with it completely.

Given the fact that Hylia would clearly value the dragon's life (since Hylia is the goddess of flying creatures and motherhood), AND the fact that Hylia clearly cares about her priests who were driven from the temple (she gave you a vision to help them), there is absolutely no way to broker any kind of truce.

This just feels like lazy writing/quest design. Am I alone in this? Anyone feel the same way?

I most definitely brokered a truce there on my second runthrough.
How? You can convince Hylea to accept your decision to leave the dragon alive, but you can't actually talk the dragon into living semi-peacefully. She and her kids are still a massive danger to all kith in the vicinity and the temple stays unusable.

Not that I complain, I mean it's a dragon, I can't blame her for not caring what pesky little humans want of her.

 

 

Just to interject here: According to the Wiki (spoilers on the page), mature dragons do not seek unecessary conflict, so it's possible they could live in relative peace, as long as the dang humans leave them alone :) After all, she didn't attack us on sight, so she's not some total murderer

 

Nice to know. So I guess she chased away the priests to make the temple a safe place for her and her young? However, the wyrms could still be a problem, as they're highly aggressive.



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I kind of felt bad about killing her, but there doesn't seem to be a good way to deal with this situation. She murdered a lot of people (check out all of the piles of bones lying around) and has absolutely no compunction about continuing in the same vein. Sorry dragon, but if that's how you want to be, there's no place there for you.

 

I'm curious about how you can chase her away though. I guess you have to spare the wyrmling until the dragon is down to Near Death? I might give it a try on my next playthrough.


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I kind of felt bad about killing her, but there doesn't seem to be a good way to deal with this situation. She murdered a lot of people (check out all of the piles of bones lying around) and has absolutely no compunction about continuing in the same vein. Sorry dragon, but if that's how you want to be, there's no place there for you.

 

I'm curious about how you can chase her away though. I guess you have to spare the wyrmling until the dragon is down to Near Death? I might give it a try on my next playthrough.

She murdered a lot of people because they endangered her Hort. I mean how would you react if armed looters stormed into your Child's Room? 



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I kind of felt bad about killing her, but there doesn't seem to be a good way to deal with this situation. She murdered a lot of people (check out all of the piles of bones lying around) and has absolutely no compunction about continuing in the same vein. Sorry dragon, but if that's how you want to be, there's no place there for you.

 

I'm curious about how you can chase her away though. I guess you have to spare the wyrmling until the dragon is down to Near Death? I might give it a try on my next playthrough.

She murdered a lot of people because they endangered her Hort. I mean how would you react if armed looters stormed into your Child's Room? 

 

She was the one who invaded the place, though.



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"Just to interject here: According to the Wiki (spoilers on the page), mature dragons do not seek unecessary conflict, so it's possible they could live in relative peace, as long as the dang humans leave them alone original.gif After all, she didn't attack us on sight, so she's not some total murderer"

 

She attacked the temple and murdered the priests. That makes her the invader and villain.

 

 

"She murdered a lot of people because they endangered her Hort. I mean how would you react if armed looters stormed into your Child's Room?"

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She is the one who attacked the temple. She is the villain.

 

\Being a parent doesn't give you an excuse to murder someone in coldblpood or steal someone else's home/place of worship. That's evil. Plain and simple.



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I kind of felt bad about killing her, but there doesn't seem to be a good way to deal with this situation. She murdered a lot of people (check out all of the piles of bones lying around) and has absolutely no compunction about continuing in the same vein. Sorry dragon, but if that's how you want to be, there's no place there for you.

 

I'm curious about how you can chase her away though. I guess you have to spare the wyrmling until the dragon is down to Near Death? I might give it a try on my next playthrough.

She murdered a lot of people because they endangered her Hort. I mean how would you react if armed looters stormed into your Child's Room? 

 

She was the one who invaded the place, though.

 

 

It is called active self defense in this days, she just did preemptive attack to ensure safety of her family  o:)


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