Robin Williams

[Malcador]

Ahh good, this thread is going places.

[Bester]

No its not, feminism is an important way to ensure gender equality. Please don't display your ignorance Volo

 

 

 

Feminist theory on sex consists of three distinct theories:

 

1. If you're not gay or lesbian, then you're mentally ill (See "Feminism and the connection to homosexuality").

2. Any sex with a man is rape, and even married women who consent are just plain too stupid to know they've been raped, even if it was a pleasant experience.

3. That all forms of pornography and sex are fine, so long as it is not connected to any type of traditional values or morals, such as marriage and family.

 

This piece outlines most of the material from section 2:

 

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon

 

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French Author, "The Women's Room" (quoted again in People Magazine) 

 

"[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which ALL MEN KEEP ALL WOMEN IN A STATE OF FEAR" [emphasis added] -- Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)

 

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership." -- Andrea Dworkin.

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

 

"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks." Andrea Dworkin in the Philadelphia Inquirer, May 21, 1995..

 

"Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman," Andrea Dworkin, Liberty, p.58..

 

"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 21..

 

"In every century, there are a handful of writers who help the human race to evolve. Andrea is one of them."--Gloria Steinem

 

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"

 

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)

 

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila Jeffrys

 

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." -- Robin Morgan, "Theory and Practice: Pornography and Rape" in "Going to Far," 1974.

 

"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it, bad luck - and if you get in my way I'll run you down." -- Letter to the Editor: "Women's Turn to Dominate" -- Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia -- Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9 February 1996

 

Toward a Feminist Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press (paperback in 1991) [a legal treatise comparing and contrasting feminism with COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM]

 

"It is not only men convicted of rape who believe that the only thing they did that was different from what men do all the time is get caught."

 

"If sexuality is central to women's definition and forced sex is central to sexuality, rape is indigenous, not exceptional, to women's social condition."

 

"Under law, rape is a sex crime that is not regarded as a crime when it looks like sex. The law, speaking generally, defines rape as intercourse with force or coercion and without consent., Like sexuality under male supremacy, this definition assumes the sadomasochistic definition of sex: intercourse with force or coercion can be or become consensual."

 

"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.

 

"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies, p. 129..

 

"[Acquaintance rape] is more common than left-handedness, alcoholism and heart attacks." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth (in the feminist attempt to build a case that "one in four" women have been raped in America.)

 

"Rape is a violent expression of a pattern of male supremacy, an outgrowth of age-old economic, political and cultural exploitation of women by men." From a pamphlet entitled "Woman Against Myth" by Betty Millard published in 1948 by CPUSA (the Communist Party of USA.)

 

"[R]ape represents an extreme behavior, but one that is on a continuum with normal male behavior within the culture." Prof. Mary Koss of Kent State University (1982)

 

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52..

 

As cited in Andrea Dworkin's "Right-Wing Women" "...I submit that any sexual intercourse between a free man and a human being he owns or controls is rape." -- Alice Walker in "Embracing the Dark and the Light," Essence, July 1982. (Feminists believe that marriage = ownership).

 

"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.

 

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, (editor of MS magazine)

 

A young woman at the University of Pennsylvania who wore a short skirt complained of a "mini-rape" because a young man walked past her and said, "Nice legs." (Camille Paglia and Christine Hoff Sommers, "Has Feminism Gone Too Far?" Think Tank with Ben Wattenberg, Produced by New River Media, Washington, DC, November 4, 1994.)

 

At the University of Maryland, some female students posted the names of male students selected at random, young men about whom they knew nothing, under the heading "Potential Rapists." The message was that all men are potential rapists, though the men actually named probably did not find much comfort in that... Far more serious are the accusations of actual rape when nothing of the sort occurred. A female student came to a male student's quarters with her toothbrush, planning to stay the night. The next morning she was seen having a peaceable breakfast with the man. Later she charged him with rape and he was briefly held in jail. (John Leo, "De-escalating the gender war" U.S. News and World Report, April 18,1994, p.24.)

 

Accusations of date rape are flung freely by women who consented and later changed their minds about what they did. -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)

 

"Female heterosexuality is not a biological drive or an individual women's erotic attraction or attachment to another human animal which happens to be male. Female heterosexuality is a set of social institutions and practices... Those definitions... are about the oppression and exploitation of women [by men]." Marilyn Frye, Willful Virgin: Essays in Feminism, 1976-1992 ( Freedom: Crossing Press,1992) p.132

Edited August 13, 2014 by Bester

[BruceVC]

@ Bester and Volo

 

I'm about to start a dedicated topic around what feminism is and isn't. Please come to that thread so we can discuss this topic in detail. I don't want to hijack this topic

Edited August 13, 2014 by BruceVC

[Rostere]

At some point I came to the conclusion that suicide, in most cases, is an egoistic act.

 

If you don't find any point in your life, the least you could do is to dedicate it to others who are worse off than you are.

[Sarex]

Worth adding that those two videos are from red pill, they are equally bad as any hardcore feminist.

[Blarghagh]

At some point I came to the conclusion that suicide, in most cases, is an egoistic act.

 

If you don't find any point in your life, the least you could do is to dedicate it to others who are worse off than you are.

 

Warning: Huge internet overshare coming up.

 

I used to feel just as you do, Rostere, until I dealt with the effects of clinical depression first hand. This is a disease that pervades every single emotion, sabotages everything from the inside out.

 

A lot of people think that if they're sad, they're being depressed, but this could not be further from the truth. Clinical depression makes it hard to feel any emotion - you don't feel sad, you just feel empty and worthless, you consider everything to be pointless to the point that you begin telling yourself that you are burden on others. Most suicides by people suffering from clinical depression are not because they feel bad about themselves.

 

A long while back, when I was suffering from clinical depression (before I got put on heavy medication) I would often think that I made life worse for everyone around me and that everyone would be better off if I was dead - I felt that killing myself would have been the ultimate kindness for my loved ones and definitely not something that I would have done for myself. What stopped me was that I felt worthless enough to decide that I deserved everything and that the act of ending it all would have been been too kind for the worthless **** that I considered myself to be. It is stupid circular logic but that is what depression does to you. I think if it had lasted any longer, there is a good chance that the other argument would have eventually won out.

 

I've closed the door on that period of my life since then, but it has very seriously altered my outlook on depression and suicide. People who haven't gone through it just don't seem understand. They will say things like "just be positive" and "appreciate what you have" when you no longer possess the ability to do those things. Depression does not work through the same set of rational and emotional logic you use.

 

This is also why ridiculous claims that Robin Williams was killed by feminism are the worst misinformation, because they work through other people's emotional logic (as stupid as that logic may be) and that logic does not exist for people with depression. In the end, Robin Williams was killed by depression, a stupid and pointless chemical imbalance that altered his state of mind and made him think this was his best course of action.

Edited August 13, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[JadedWolf]

<BruceMode>

 

Great post Trueneutral. It's difficult for someone who is in a "normal" state of mind to understand how such a disorder affects your every single thought and every decision you make, and we really shouldn't be too quick to judge.

 

</BruceMode>

[BruceVC]

<BruceMode>

 

Great post Trueneutral. It's difficult for someone who is in a "normal" state of mind to understand how such a disorder affects your every single thought and every decision you make, and we really shouldn't be too quick to judge.

 

</BruceMode>

 

 

What is BruceMode ?

[IndiraLightfoot]

Let's look it up in a dictionary. Here it is: It's caring in a raw and intrepid state.

[BruceVC]

Let's look it up in a dictionary. Here it is: It's caring in a raw and intrepid state.

 

This is one of the reasons you are my one favourite people on these forums, you always say such nice things about me, you rock Indira

[Malcador]

Well, he was killed by himself, technically - but yes "killed by feminism" is quite ridiculous. At least he decided to kill himself by himself, rather than making someone else do it like subway jumpers or people throwing themselves in front of buses (not really fair to mess up others).

[Lexx]

Especially if the others just want to get home, but now they are stuck in traffic for hours, because some douchewaffle decided to use the subway railway. I hate this. Really.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Especially if the others just want to get home, but now they are stuck in traffic for hours, because some douchewaffle decided to use the subway railway. I hate this. Really.

My friend works at a hotel and some lady shot herself in a suite. Was not a very good thing to clean up.

[ManifestedISO]

 

If you don't find any point in your life, the least you could do is to dedicate it to others who are worse off than you are.

 

He did, actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For 11 years, Williams helped athletes facing physical challenge to achieve success in sports through the CAF, taking part in the triathlon and other cycling events. He stayed an avid supporter of the foundation for 20 years.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diegans-Remember-Robin-Williams-270836241.html

[BruceVC]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/robin-williams-comic-stars-daughter-zelda-forced-off-192140219.html#MN8V9hp

 

I get sickened by this type of behaviour and you guys wonder why I believe in banning people from forums who don't know how to conduct themselves as members of the human race

[Malcador]

Not following that - you want people banned for not matching some nebulous definition of human behavior so that people don't get upset ?

 

Expected as much though, gate lets in the jackals as well as desirables, sadly.

[Volourn]

Bruce is about power and control. he wants people to think exactly like him. One must conform or be an undesireable and be put to death. That's Bruce's ideal world. Diffeirng opinions is a GOOD thing even if it's soemthing we don't want to hear or read.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Volourn

[BruceVC]

Not following that - you want people banned for not matching some nebulous definition of human behavior so that people don't get upset ?

 

Expected as much though, gate lets in the jackals as well as desirables, sadly.

 

Yes that's exactly what I would do if I could  influence who gets permanently banned, if for example someone goes to a Facebook remembrance about someone who died and starts making offensive or hurtful comments about the deceased I would immediately ban them permanently with no way they can ever come back with that user profile

[BruceVC]

Bruce is about power and control. he wants people to think exactly like him. One must conform or be an undesireable and be put to death. That's Bruce's ideal world. Diffeirng opinions is a GOOD thing even if it's soemthing we don't want to hear or read.

 

No Volo, I just expect people to have  a modicum of respect for there fellow human beings under certain circumstances. Like the death of a family member

[Rostere]

A lot of people think that if they're sad, they're being depressed, but this could not be further from the truth. Clinical depression makes it hard to feel any emotion - you don't feel sad, you just feel empty and worthless, you consider everything to be pointless to the point that you begin telling yourself that you are burden on others. Most suicides by people suffering from clinical depression are not because they feel bad about themselves.

 

A long while back, when I was suffering from clinical depression (before I got put on heavy medication) I would often think that I made life worse for everyone around me and that everyone would be better off if I was dead - I felt that killing myself would have been the ultimate kindness for my loved ones and definitely not something that I would have done for myself. What stopped me was that I felt worthless enough to decide that I deserved everything and that the act of ending it all would have been been too kind for the worthless **** that I considered myself to be. It is stupid circular logic but that is what depression does to you. I think if it had lasted any longer, there is a good chance that the other argument would have eventually won out.

 

I've closed the door on that period of my life since then, but it has very seriously altered my outlook on depression and suicide. People who haven't gone through it just don't seem understand. They will say things like "just be positive" and "appreciate what you have" when you no longer possess the ability to do those things. Depression does not work through the same set of rational and emotional logic you use.

 

I would say that I know what it is like to be absolutely paralysed by depression, however I can't really say I know what it is like to be a depressive person, and know about yourself that whatever you are going through is not a philosophical reconciliation and might be due to a fundamental character trait.

 

What I'm saying is that there is the rational mind, and then there are feelings. You can feel arbitrarily bad, but in the end, that's pretty irrelevant for the world. The values you act upon are in every case more important than what you might feel. Of course there's intuition, which is important, but feelings are really largely a remnant from a time when people weren't capable of reasoning about how they acted. Feelings such as hate, or love, or despair, have their evolutionary roots in a time when people fought with wild beasts and punched each other in the head with rocks for survival. Animals only have feelings to act upon, they have little rational thinking (and feelings are crucial if you lack capacity to reason). Feelings are tuned for evolutionary needs from about 5000 years back, and only slowly adapting to modern society. They are not "you". They are chemical substances released in your brain reflecting what has historically been evolutionary advantageous for your genome. They are an impediment to seeing things as they really are. Regardless of how depressed you are, it is possible to keep this in mind. It won't make you feel any better at all, but it can be guide for your actions.

 

If you - or Robin Williams - held it to be true for even a second that it would be "good" with suicide, your rational mind could tell you that it would be better to use your life for good purposes. Even the man who has nothing, can still offer his life in service. Maybe Robin Williams committed suicide because he could not control himself, of maybe for egoistical reasons, but if I could have talked to him now through a crystal ball or something, I would have made him concede this point.

 

I don't claim I know how to get rid of depressive feelings at all, in fact I'd say I am probably awfully lacking in that area of knowledge (but that's not what I'm talking about). What I am saying is that I think that you should not confuse the "self", which is built on values, convictions and logic, with chemical reactions taking place in your brain, in fact that you should keep in mind that there is an adversarial relation between the two.

[Blarghagh]

Everything you said is true, but I feel you are underestimating those chemical reactions. They can easily overpower most people's rational mind even when they're not depressed. It's why people cannot resist that extra piece of cake because it will ruin their diet, or why people put off getting their work done in advance and watch TV instead. These are normal chemical reactions that people often get beaten by, often aided by those chemical reactions misusing the rational mind ("it's okay if I put off work right now, I've got plenty of time left" type rationalisations). A lot of normal, functioning people have problems dealing with this and that's usually just a bit of dopamine wrongly applied because our brain chemistry still thinks we're in the stone age and keeps pushing you to stuff your face with sugary crap because we didn't always know where our next meal would be coming from.

 

Now imagine how badly this may affect someone who already has a massive chemical imbalance? There's a reason that I focused on the faulty logic in my thought patterns at the height of my depression - it wasn't just a feeling that I was bad for everyone, I rationalised it to overpower real logic. I had a million reasons as to why everything was my fault, how I had nothing and would never have anything to offer to anyone, and how people's lives would improve if I wasn't there. They were all not true, but in the state I was in I wholeheartedly believed them. Rationality is not immune to the effects, and negative thoughts would often masquerade as being rational.

 

It's why most depression patients require cognitive therapy to get better - therapy specifically focused on removing negative rationalisations as they happen and replacing them with more positive truths. The rational mind is very affected by that chemical imbalance - rationality and emotion may often be at odds but they both still stem from the brain and you can't fix a broken tool with itself.

['GM']

I cried when i heard. Dunno why, im a grown man and dont usually cry but i teared up when i heard the news. I first heard of robin williams on tv by coming across one of his 70s standup comedys and for a troubled boy whos world was falling around him, Robin made me laugh and cry and be amazed. I watched his movies growing up just to see him. Seems stupid but at a young age he connected with me i guess in that i always tried no matter how old i got to be young and happy and caring.

very sad day R.I.P Robin Williams, u were my favorite comedian by far and one of imho the most talentest. I will miss you.

I cried too when I heard the news.

I find it ironic that in times of needing a 'feel good' movie we often reached for a Robin Williams film. But to learn that he probably needed to also feel good never occurred to me.

[Blarghagh]

I find his last lead role in a movie fits as a pretty good eulogy - The Angriest Man In Brooklyn. Wasn't an amazing movie but it became kinda poignant since I watched it the day he died.

[Malcador]

Yes that's exactly what I would do if I could  influence who gets permanently banned, if for example someone goes to a Facebook remembrance about someone who died and starts making offensive or hurtful comments about the deceased I would immediately ban them permanently with no way they can ever come back with that user profile

Well, thankfully you don't have authority, then. While words on a screen can be harsh, the metric of "offensive" and "hurtful" isn't reliable as some people get bent out of shape over anything. That's if it's just a comment, if it's some sort of organized campaign that is a bit different.

[BruceVC]

 

Yes that's exactly what I would do if I could  influence who gets permanently banned, if for example someone goes to a Facebook remembrance about someone who died and starts making offensive or hurtful comments about the deceased I would immediately ban them permanently with no way they can ever come back with that user profile

Well, thankfully you don't have authority, then. While words on a screen can be harsh, the metric of "offensive" and "hurtful" isn't reliable as some people get bent out of shape over anything. That's if it's just a comment, if it's some sort of organized campaign that is a bit different.

 

 

Of course the definition of offensive is subjective and I'm not talking about banning people anytime they say anything that is debatably offensive or I think is offensive. But in this case we have two people  sending the daughter of Robin Williams digitally edited pictures of her dad dead and making mocking comments. How can you not think these people shouldn't be banned? How can you not say these types of  actions are not offensive and hurtful?

 

And Twitter has suspended there accounts and is reviewing its policies. So my suggestion around permanent banning is not that far off