PS4

[mkreku]

I thought it was an impressive demonstration. Sucks that they didn't show the actual console, but the games definitely looked good. I guess they're saving the box reveal for E3. No big deal.

 

I was very surprised when they announced it has 8 GB GDDR5! Sounds like it'll be an expensive piece of kit. Love the new features, like background downloading, playing games before they're downloaded, sharing gameplay videos (great feature!) etc. A huge step forward from the PS3.

 

Like the look of the new controller too. A bit bulkier than the PS3 version (which is good) and much better analogue sticks and trigger buttons. Also like that they made the move functionality mandatory. Maybe now there will actually be games that use it?

 

All in all a very good show.

[Mamoulian War]

More info about PS4 and used games...

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sonys-yoshida-playstation-4-wont-block-used-games/

[Mamoulian War]

I thought it was an impressive demonstration. Sucks that they didn't show the actual console, but the games definitely looked good. I guess they're saving the box reveal for E3. No big deal.

 

I was very surprised when they announced it has 8 GB GDDR5! Sounds like it'll be an expensive piece of kit. Love the new features, like background downloading, playing games before they're downloaded, sharing gameplay videos (great feature!) etc. A huge step forward from the PS3.

 

Like the look of the new controller too. A bit bulkier than the PS3 version (which is good) and much better analogue sticks and trigger buttons. Also like that they made the move functionality mandatory. Maybe now there will actually be games that use it?

 

All in all a very good show.

 

Althougth I think that FPS games are epic ****e and fail, I commend the guys who finally found, that it is possible to create more than brown and grey colors with the next gen console developers kits...

[AwesomeOcelot]

So the answer to whether games on the PS4 will require online registration is that it's up to the publisher, but Sony as a publisher has no plans to implement this. That should leave the door open to modding the console to circumvent that.

[Mamoulian War]

I did understand from the interview, that Sony is still not willing to talk if they will block their own published games or not, yet... as I see it, I would bet, that they will allow they first party games used if you pay some fee... something like online passes which they used in Uncharted 3, White Knight Chronicles 2 etc etc... Every other publisher will have the choice to block it or not... And I am willing to bet my ass on EA, Ubi and Capcom blocking used games for PS4...

 

Edit: And I think as well, that modding of consoles will be very profitable business this generation...

Edited February 21, 2013 by Mamoulian War

[Zoraptor]

Announcement is all about positivity and building hype and momentum, if they plan to do something unpopular like disallowing resale they'll fudge the issue as long as they can.

[Mamoulian War]

The presentation made me for a first time in a long history to hate square enix...

 

Hashimoto: "there will be new final fantasy title for PS4, but we will announce it at E3, move along..."

 

 

yes, I am one of the suckers who actually enjoyed FFXIII and FFXIII-2...

 

Edited February 22, 2013 by Mamoulian War

[greylord]

 

Given that there is evidence that suggests the used games market actually supports the new games market, I doubt MS/Sony will come out against it in this generation.

 

Not initially at least, I think. But maybe 2-3 years down the road, both Sony/MS could decide to ship a new hardware SKU that comes without optical drive (price cut!), and also announcing btw that retail games won't be produced anymore due to the majority of demographics having fast enough internet. All games will then be bought exclusively in their respective online stores.

 

Doing this at launch would be suicide, but as people get used to the idea they will eventually succumb to the corporate will. They always do.

 

Sony already tried that once this generation (though it WAS advertised somewhat at launch, though the key system did have disc usage and then later they released the download only version).  The PSP GO was a disaster.

 

Don't think they'd make the same mistake this closely...but I could be mistaken.

 

From what I was hearing it was that it would play used games...(though of course, as one brought up, it could require reactivation, I don't think it will considering other things they've stated...but I can't rule it out either).  (edit: And seems clarified on that subject later in the thread...so...they won't require it, but it's still could be done by publishers).

 

IT WILL NOT be backwards compatible with PS3 games from what I've seen.  Maybe the games or some of them will be available via cloud gaming?  But backwards compatible with PS3 I heard was not going to happen due to architecture.

 

Maybe it will play PS1 and PS2 games?

Edited February 22, 2013 by greylord

[Morgoth]

Maybe it will play PS1 and PS2 games?

 

No it won't because Sony is not exactly in good financial shape and they need to cut cost wherever possible. Creating a PS2 emulator and then providing support would not make any business sense for Sony.

 

That's why they'll use Gaikai streaming.

 

They won't make much profits from the hardware itself, so they now need to make money of services and digital. Sooner or later, they're gonna provide PS1/2/3 streaming on PCs, tablets etc too because it creates more revenues. They have to. Money speaks louder than exclusivity.

[greylord]

 

Maybe it will play PS1 and PS2 games?

 

No it won't because Sony is not exactly in good financial shape and they need to cut cost wherever possible. Creating a PS2 emulator and then providing support would not make any business sense for Sony.

 

That's why they'll use Gaikai streaming.

 

They won't make much profits from the hardware itself, so they now need to make money of services and digital. Sooner or later, they're gonna provide PS1/2/3 streaming on PCs, tablets etc too because it creates more revenues. They have to. Money speaks louder than exclusivity.

 

They already have PS1 and PS2 emulator that they have used in the past.  The PS1 they used with the PS2 and the PS3, so I imagine it wouldn't cost much to transfer over.  PS2 has been for the PS3 and currently was a software version.

 

On the otherhand, you're right, streaming could be much more profitable for them.

[TSBasilisk]

No native support, cloud support possible

[Mamoulian War]

In a ideal world, you would put into PS4 your original PS1, PS2 or PS3 game, and it would immediately launch from cloud... I doubt that this will ever happen...

[Morgoth]

Yeah, you would put your 15 year old scratched PS1 disk into your shiny new PS4, and it would immediately destroy the BD laser diode.

[Hurlshort]

I've never understood the need for your games to last forever.  The way technology moves, most of my old crap is simply that, crap.  The good stuff tends to be preserved by people and made playable on new devices.  

[alanschu]

I remember going "ooo backwards compatibility" too.  Until I realized it's uncommon for me to really care.

 

I'm having a blast through the past with a lot of NES and SNES gaming with some guys at work, but if it wasn't available to me I'm sure I would have done something else and still enjoyed my time.

[AwesomeOcelot]

What does everyone think of the now confirmed GDDR5 unified memory? I thought that stuff was extremely expensive. It's way faster than the usual system RAM DDR3. Is their a chance we'll see it migrate to PC system RAM?

[Morgoth]

http://www.d-down.jp/

On the upside, at least Capcom is still making man-cave games. Wonder if this is supposed to be a Dark Souls competitor, or just Dragon's Dogma 2?

[Morgoth]

What does everyone think of the now confirmed GDDR5 unified memory? I thought that stuff was extremely expensive. It's way faster than the usual system RAM DDR3. Is their a chance we'll see it migrate to PC system RAM?

 

Yes, very expensive. And not necessarily the best, but certainly the fastest solution to implement for a company that does not want to provide the R&D money to search for cheaper yet similarly good solutions.

 

MS is supposedly going to use the much cheaper and cooler (thermal) 8GB DDR3 RAM, but is using on-die edram and other manufacturing tricks (3D stacking) to reach similarly high bandwidth results. Aka higher R&D costs, but lower fabrication costs. Hence, MS might have more price flexibility here.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Morgoth

[Amentep]

http://www.d-down.jp/

 

On the upside, at least Capcom is still making man-cave games. Wonder if this is supposed to be a Dark Souls competitor, or just Dragon's Dogma 2?

 

Based on the last bit of the footage...I'm thinking its neither. 

 

EDIT: IT could be part of a social connection thing, but that seems odd.  Just not sure.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Amentep

[entrerix]

http://www.d-down.jp/

 

On the upside, at least Capcom is still making man-cave games. Wonder if this is supposed to be a Dark Souls competitor, or just Dragon's Dogma 2?

 

 

i hope it's a blend of the two

 

dark souls and dragons dogma are two of my favorite games of this generation, i would very much like more games of their type

[Morgoth]

 

That poor guy at the end was probably hit with a teargas canister on his head.

 

And thus, inFamous: Second Son was born!

[WDeranged]

That video was way funnier than it had any right to be, Gamespot made me laugh?

[pmp10]

Used games block on PS4 a publisher decision.
Shocking.

[NOK222]

Used games block on PS4 a publisher decision.

Shocking.

Seems something Bioware would do. 

[Morgoth]

Aha, now it's a publisher decision. That's a nice way of saying "Yes we will block used games, but we're just gonna blame publishers for it. Please refer your questions to the respective publishers."

 

Publishers then will lash out and say "No no, it's Sony's policy. There's nothing we can do about it. Please refer your questions to Sony, thank you."

 

You always need two to Tango to deceive the public.

 

Either way, perhaps you will be able to play used copies, but as I said before, it won't come without any kind of penalty (fee to re-activate used copy?). Sony wants to make a profit of that big market, too. They'd be stupid not to do so.