Anthropomorphic animal races in Project Eternity?

[JFSOCC]

I'll never understand any of the justifications and excuses I've seen from the people that consider Humans boring. I've heard countless reasons why people think Humans are boring - you know what's boring and uninspired? Writers so talentless, uninspired and lazy that their last resort for new races is to mash a Human and a random animal together bug me. Most non-Human races in games, to me, come off as Humans, Human cultures and societies, with a random non-Human visual slapped on them. As such Human, to me, typically come off as the more creative, and it's only the very rare and very creative non-Human races that come off as worthwhile.

I couldn't agree more.

You can have the full spectrum of characters and personalities inside the human race, because we do have the entire spectrum of characters and personalities in the human race. And tying character to species/race is silly.

I think it's a bit unoriginal Goblins/ferengi do the trade, orcs/klingons are the powerful warriors, elves/vulcans are the wise sagely creatures. it's just so uninspired and shows a lack of effort to make species distinct based on inherent traits.

I have no need for racist stereotypes to be real. (Khajit like to sneak)

 

Now I don't mind having other races/species in the game, but give all of them access to the full spectrum of character/personalities

[Doppelschwert]

I don't like anthromorphic animal races either. Apart from being lazy design, imho they most often aren't consistent with the game world. I always feel like their existence would imply there being offspring with regular humans and the more you mix them, the sillier it gets. So at the start its half-dogpeople and then you get quarter-dogpeople and so on.

It doesn't even allow for characters that couldn't be human themselves in the first place. So you live with dogs because you have a dog head - a human could live with dogs as well.

 

Elves, Dwarfes and halflings aren't that original either, because they are humanlike as well, but at least you can imagine them having the same ancestors as humans, just having evolved differently (although this is a magical world where technically "everything goes", that is still way more plausible).

 

To be honest, I don't even need any humanoid races besides humans at all. Games like fire emblem show that a low fantasy can work as well, where its more about political conflict. Gothic comes to mind as well.

 

Now what would be interesting to play would be werepeople, but without animals. Lets say there is a whole country of cursed humans which are forced to transform into some kind of ...something different at certain points. So you had the chance to play as them, and at random points during fights, your heritage would take over you. That would give you bonuses and disadvantages and you can't control the transformation (but it wouldn't strip your control of the char).

No matter what they transform into (cliche demons, or have their personality inverted or something like that), the implications of this curse on the lifes of that people already sound more intriguing and interesting to me than anything that horse-head mentality could ever give.

[kabaliero]

1 no

2 no

 

i can't take seriously something with normal human body but irrationally animal HEAD

it doesn't take just 3 fingers instead of 5 to make it believable, sorry starwars (and all the 80's stuff)

Edited November 21, 2012 by kabaliero

[Few]

NO, NO and NO again to this awful disney fantasy! If there are examples of this trash in PE I will be very upset indeed!

[Juneau]

I voted, yes and yes.

 

There is nothing wrong with Char/Krogan/Goblin etc.. There visually different, move differently and armour is donned differently and with different abilities.

 

As for Human, I find them boring but that's just my personal opinion on it there is no specific reason why - It's just you know, I'm Human and I fancy playing an elf/dwarf/weird combination of cat/man/dog/lizzard etc...

[wanderon]

Why would you word your poll question as "would you tolerate" as opposed to "would you like" are you afraid of the results of "would you like" and think "would you tolerate" is going to appear to be more supportive or are you just another political science student learning the ins and outs of skewing poll results to suit your purpose?

 

I voted to explain myself so as not to indicate any support for the mutant ninja turtle concept and to explain that while putting such a race in the game would not keep me from buying it that I mostly disapprove.

 

And no I do not find humans boring or otherwise lacking in any way shape or form in any CRPG I am interested in playing - in fact I actually AM a human and anything you have heard to the contrary is mere speculation.

[Augusta Corvina]

(granted I gave up on finding a game that allowed me to play a naga/lamia).

 

Well Warcraft 3 TFT has some naga missions.

Plus NWN2 introduced pureblood yuan-tis as a playable race. They don't have tails per se(would've been awsome if they had) but in your head you still know that they are snake people.

Also HoMM series had naga units since forever.

RTS games don't count plus the Naga in WC3 weren't a full fledged faction. That and I was thinking of games where I get to be the character, not some army commander in an RTS.

 

Also yes I know of the Yaun-Ti pureblood thing in NWN2's expansion(I played them a lot), but they aren't what I'm after.

[necromate]

Why would you word your poll question as "would you tolerate" as opposed to "would you like" are you afraid of the results of "would you like" and think "would you tolerate" is going to appear to be more supportive or are you just another political science student learning the ins and outs of skewing poll results to suit your purpose?

 

I voted to explain myself so as not to indicate any support for the mutant ninja turtle concept and to explain that while putting such a race in the game would not keep me from buying it that I mostly disapprove.

 

And no I do not find humans boring or otherwise lacking in any way shape or form in any CRPG I am interested in playing - in fact I actually AM a human and anything you have heard to the contrary is mere speculation.

 

I worded it like that becouse I was interested in the number of people who don't care and those who refuse the idea alltogether.

[wanderon]

Why would you word your poll question as "would you tolerate" as opposed to "would you like" are you afraid of the results of "would you like" and think "would you tolerate" is going to appear to be more supportive or are you just another political science student learning the ins and outs of skewing poll results to suit your purpose?

 

I voted to explain myself so as not to indicate any support for the mutant ninja turtle concept and to explain that while putting such a race in the game would not keep me from buying it that I mostly disapprove.

 

And no I do not find humans boring or otherwise lacking in any way shape or form in any CRPG I am interested in playing - in fact I actually AM a human and anything you have heard to the contrary is mere speculation.

 

I worded it like that becouse I was interested in the number of people who don't care and those who refuse the idea alltogether.

 

And offering the option of "I don't care" didn't occur to you?

 

Or were you perhaps more interested in getting both the "I don't care" vote and the "yes I'd like that" vote lumped together in an effort to make it look like there might be more support for the premise you are promoting?

[necromate]

Why would you word your poll question as "would you tolerate" as opposed to "would you like" are you afraid of the results of "would you like" and think "would you tolerate" is going to appear to be more supportive or are you just another political science student learning the ins and outs of skewing poll results to suit your purpose?

 

I voted to explain myself so as not to indicate any support for the mutant ninja turtle concept and to explain that while putting such a race in the game would not keep me from buying it that I mostly disapprove.

 

And no I do not find humans boring or otherwise lacking in any way shape or form in any CRPG I am interested in playing - in fact I actually AM a human and anything you have heard to the contrary is mere speculation.

 

I worded it like that becouse I was interested in the number of people who don't care and those who refuse the idea alltogether.

 

And offering the option of "I don't care" didn't occur to you?

 

Or were you perhaps more interested in getting both the "I don't care" vote and the "yes I'd like that" vote lumped together in an effort to make it look like there might be more support for the premise you are promoting?

 

XD well, I started the topic around midnight, at that time I was already worn out a bit, also it's my first topic ever created on any forums, sorry for the inconveniences.

[teknoman2]

yay for catgirls

i voted yes for the lulz

Edited November 21, 2012 by teknoman2

[wanderon]

 

XD well, I started the topic around midnight, at that time I was already worn out a bit, also it's my first topic ever created on any forums, sorry for the inconveniences.

 

No problem I am just a bit fixated on how poorly the majority of polls posted on this forum seem to be constructed (to me) - nothing personal - carry on...

[Karkarov]

I am all for anthropomorphic animal people. After all when I decide to make a crazy evil character, which I will do sooner or later, I need someone to hate monger and kill on site for no reason. I can't think of a better racial idea to use for this story than this. Heck, I may even feel good about it on the personal level.

 

In fact, now that I think about it, if furries make it into the game I am going to need to let's play this concept on youtube.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Karkarov

[Chuggo]

I am all for anthropomorphic animal people. After all when I decide to make a crazy evil character, which I will do sooner or later, I need someone to hate monger and kill on site for no reason. I can't think of a better racial idea to use for this story than this. Heck, I may even feel good about it on the personal level.

 

In fact, now that I think about it, if furries make it into the game I am going to need to let's play this concept on youtube.

 

Hah! This guy's seeing the glass half full. It might be worth having furries in the game if I could go around slaughtering them for fun. It would be even better if the human/demihuman npcs cheered you for it.

[Streamlock]

As long as it is not feline or kanine-I"m down.

[Failion]

Everyone seriously needs to stop using that arguement that trendy new age w/e... furry porn lovers are sick! so NO anthropomorphic animals in my game please. Do you have a house cat? Just look at its face it may cute, dumb or incredibly haughty higher then thou like my cat. Now imagine that cat as a samurai dual wielding katanas and shooting fireballs out of her palm. What is not to like? Wizardry 8 had furries and it was hilarious giving your cat in the party a jersey snarky accent.

[Doppelschwert]

I don't have a house cat so your argument is invalid.

 

On a more serious note, I don't see why I *need* to stop using that argument. If this gets into the game, such people will eventually be here and I don't want that. Besides, a samurai cat shooting fireballs I certainly do not like. For me, that would be immersion breaking on a whole new level. If I wanted to see something like that, I'd be playing one of the thousands JRPGS/MMORPGS out there were almost every game is supposed to have some cute useless race.

 

I'd rather have them cater to my taste, for once, as it is certainly harder to find something that satisfies that (an immersive world) than finding a game featuring animalpeople as a playable race.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Doppelschwert

[SunBroSolaire]

I hate them. It tells me that the designers spent less time thinking about the race than the length of an average poop. It also wrecks plausability for me, It just seems so silly. I expect that goofy stuff from WoW, but then games like TES try to make me take their lore seriously meanwhile I'm playing as a lizard with ****.

[Failion]

I don't have a house cat so your argument is invalid.

 

On a more serious note, I don't see why I *need* to stop using that argument. If this gets into the game, such people will eventually be here and I don't want that. Besides, a samurai cat shooting fireballs I certainly do not like. For me, that would be immersion breaking on a whole new level. If I wanted to see something like that, I'd be playing one of the thousands JRPGS/MMORPGS out there were almost every game is supposed to have some cute useless race.

 

I'd rather have them cater to my taste, for once, as it is certainly harder to find something that satisfies that (an immersive world) than finding a game featuring animalpeople as a playable race.

 

That is because you lack a imagination. They do not have to be cute. Did you ever watch thunder cats? I don't know what to say. Honestly who cares about furry lovers. Gaming forums like these are already filled with complete dorks. The was already had a armor thread with 10k posts of complete nerdgasm. There are already infinte amount of rpgs out there where you can play as your bbw strong built white man useless cute race only there to give gays players hard ons... see what I did there? This whole furry hate argument is incredibly dumb.

Edited November 21, 2012 by Failion

[Doppelschwert]

I don't have a house cat so your argument is invalid.

 

On a more serious note, I don't see why I *need* to stop using that argument. If this gets into the game, such people will eventually be here and I don't want that. Besides, a samurai cat shooting fireballs I certainly do not like. For me, that would be immersion breaking on a whole new level. If I wanted to see something like that, I'd be playing one of the thousands JRPGS/MMORPGS out there were almost every game is supposed to have some cute useless race.

 

I'd rather have them cater to my taste, for once, as it is certainly harder to find something that satisfies that (an immersive world) than finding a game featuring animalpeople as a playable race.

 

That is because you lack a imagination. They do not have to be cute. Did you ever watch thunder cats? I don't know what to say. Honestly who cares about furry lovers. Gaming forums like these are already filled with complete dorks. The was already had a armor thread with 10k posts of complete nerdgasm. There are already infinte amount of rpgs out there where you can play as your bbw strong built white man useless cute race only there to give gays players hard ons... see what I did there? This whole furry hate argument is incredibly dumb.

 

I don't see what this has to do with imagination. I can imagine catpeople, I simply don't like it, independent of them being cute or not, and it is immersion breaking for me.

The furry hate argument is not an argument but simply an opinion which people have - your argument of them being cool is not much different. They don't like it, so they are against it and that is perfectly fine. Nobody is telling you to stop liking it.

 

Also, I prefer dorks to furries.

[Tagaziel]

How exactly does that break immersion? We barely know enough about Project Eternity to speculate on high level concepts, much less determine if the presence of cat people breaks versimilitude.

 

Really, I feel you're being dishonest here.

[Pshaw]

The only thing I find funny is that for all the people who are claiming beast like races are out of place they seem to have no problem with the bestiary in fantasy games. Gnolls, Driders, kobolds, minotaurs, wereanimals, yanti, umberhulks, ettercaps, merfolk, kuo-toa, sahuagin, rakshasa, lizard-men, slaad, naga, troglodytes, mindflayers, dragonborn, any half demon/celestial with wings, horns or a tail. These things all exist in fantasy worlds without upsetting the feel of the world but if you can be one as a player race it's all, 'whoa, whoa, whoa what lazy and world breaking design for furries to fap to.' Fantasy worlds are pretty varied in their races and have plenty of beast races albeit they're generally regulated to the roll of monsters.

 

I personally don't see what wrong in having a bit of visual variety in terms of player races.

[Umberlin]

Now I don't mind having other races/species in the game,

 

Just for the sake of clarity, neither do I. I didn't mean to just suggest that, just in case anyone thought as much, though I do wholly mean the things I said.

[Doppelschwert]

How exactly does that break immersion? We barely know enough about Project Eternity to speculate on high level concepts, much less determine if the presence of cat people breaks versimilitude.

 

Really, I feel you're being dishonest here.

 

What am I supposed to be dishonest about?

As previously stated, I don't like / need the concept *and* it breaks my immersion. It's not like I said the later as an excuse so I don't need to say the former.

It breaks immersion because I find the concept to be unplausible. How do such beings come to live? Evolution makes absolutely no sense here (otherwise, there should be several stages inbetween the animal and the animalpeople) and I find the all-purpose explanation of a wizard did it to be lazy design. I prefer low-magic settings where magic is not all potent.

 

The only thing I find funny is that for all the people who are claiming beast like races are out of place they seem to have no problem with the bestiary in fantasy games. Gnolls, Driders, kobolds, minotaurs, wereanimals, yanti, umberhulks, ettercaps, merfolk, kuo-toa, sahuagin, rakshasa, lizard-men, slaad, naga, troglodytes, mindflayers, dragonborn, any half demon/celestial with wings, horns or a tail. These things all exist in fantasy worlds without upsetting the feel of the world but if you can be one as a player race it's all, 'whoa, whoa, whoa what lazy and world breaking design for furries to fap to.' Fantasy worlds are pretty varied in their races and have plenty of beast races albeit they're generally regulated to the roll of monsters.

 

I personally don't see what wrong in having a bit of visual variety in terms of player races.

 

I can only speak for myself but most of the things you are referring to I find just as bad as the proposed player races, although some of those races are better than others. Although I will admit that I have less problems with slaughtering them as playing them. I also have no problem with werepeople turning into the animals (mind me, not some mixture of human/animal but from pure animal to pure human).

[Kamfrenchie]

I don't have a house cat so your argument is invalid.

 

On a more serious note, I don't see why I *need* to stop using that argument. If this gets into the game, such people will eventually be here and I don't want that. Besides, a samurai cat shooting fireballs I certainly do not like. For me, that would be immersion breaking on a whole new level. If I wanted to see something like that, I'd be playing one of the thousands JRPGS/MMORPGS out there were almost every game is supposed to have some cute useless race.

 

I'd rather have them cater to my taste, for once, as it is certainly harder to find something that satisfies that (an immersive world) than finding a game featuring animalpeople as a playable race.

 

You need to stop using this argument because it isn't valid. You're just saying you don't like a group of people, that this idea would bring these people you don't like , and making baseless assumption about them.

 

That's like saying there shouldn't be vampires or werewolves because it will attract twilight fans.

 

 

I like beastmen or whatever you wanna call 'em, I'd like them to be there as long as it isn't just fanservice and they don't detract from any other aspect of the game.

 

I still don't see how beastmen are worst than elves and fairies and all that.

As far as explainations go, those can be the result of some wizards experiment, or people with their soul linked to animals and whatnot.

 

And I wouldn't say it's arrogant to put humans in every games/ setting, what's arrogant is making them pretty much always the dominant force that's gonna ends up be much more powerful than the other races.