Serrano Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) CoH2 sounds fantastic. I'm really curious to see how the new snow system is going to work and also quite hopeful for what this might mean for the Dawn of War series as well,. Edited May 4, 2012 by Serrano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) i still keep hoping that dawn of war will be made more like the tabletop game. a digital warhammer game would be so awesome, and they could make recurring money off it by charging for codex updates alongside the actual tabletop game. I still paint, but none of my friends are interested in the hobby anymore, and a digital version i could play online would be great fun Edited May 4, 2012 by entrerix Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 CoH2 to be officially revealed on May 7th Hmm. CoH2, Generals 2 and the SC2 expansion pack? This could become an interesting 2013 for high-profile PC exclusive strategy games. Generals 2 and SC2: HoTS are probably gonna suck though. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I want you to ACTUALLY SUFFER from death. you should play Day Z Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 http://www.develop-online.net/news/40703/Exploitation-of-developers-is-getting-worse Yo, just fabricate some bull**** requirement for a milestone, refuse to pay for 6 months, developer gets broke, pass on the project to another developer. Repeat the same process again. Profit. Scumbags. All of them. 2 Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) devs should start rebelling against the publisher system. make a smaller more streamlined game that you can self publish, build up income and growth by successfully releasing good products. self publish larger games. DO NOT SELL OUT. see its that last part that really gets em... but maybe people have learned now, and as new companies rise, they will learn the lessons of their predecessors and keep 100% control and ownership in house Edited May 4, 2012 by entrerix Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Not to play the devils advocate, but the comment in that article was interesting. If you'd seen the state of project and how long it had been going you'd not be surprised they cancelled it on them. It was many months late and only a tiny fraction of what was promised by them appeared. I challenge them to show the 'almost finished' game to the press! It's downright immoral to withhold pay for service rendered, but if the product really was detrimentally inferior to what was promised, then I have to say the blame rests with the developer as well, who took the job knowing they might not deliver. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Well the point there is, who judges whether the product met the previously agreed guidelines? Can you have an objective set of milestone guidelines? No - even something like a 'playable level' is very fluid. Do you then have third party bodies that judge whether the dev should be paid for x milestone? No. Are there clear industry standards on the writing and interpretation of milestones? I don't know, but I suspect not. In that case, what you say Rosbjerg - which common sensically is 100% correct - just becomes a white paper for the publisher (who has all the bargaining power) to do what they want. I have no idea whether I'd agree with the publisher or developer for that particular project and the state it was in. But given publishers have all the power in this negotiation, it seems sensible to try and redress that. Edit: example of trying to implement an objective milestone: metacritic. Result: utter failure. 1 Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Not to play the devils advocate, but the comment in that article was interesting. If you'd seen the state of project and how long it had been going you'd not be surprised they cancelled it on them. It was many months late and only a tiny fraction of what was promised by them appeared. I challenge them to show the 'almost finished' game to the press! It's downright immoral to withhold pay for service rendered, but if the product really was detrimentally inferior to what was promised, then I have to say the blame rests with the developer as well, who took the job knowing they might not deliver. You forget, that there is still a chance that this comment was made by a person paid by LA to write comments like these. I am not siding with any side of the story, but I am more prone to agree with Tigranes in here... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 The only milestone that really should matter is the final one, because any earlier ones attempt to tie the contract to some sort of nebulous definition of "completion level." If a dev overpromises on delivery time then it's unfortunate but it's their problem. Anything earlier has a whiff of publisher meddling and is vulnerable to "having its numbers rearranged" to have it look like what the publisher wants it to look. Unfortunately I have no idea what, besides Kickstarter, would give the average developer enough bargaining power to negotiate a balanced contract. Also if the project was really that far behind schedule, one wonders if it may have had something to do with the non-payment. Working for six months without pay tends to have a detrimental effect on morale.... 1 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 (edited) Elder Scrolls MMO "sounds like just another fantasy MMO" http://kotaku.com/59...her-fantasy-mmo Not that this surprises me. I wouldn't be very interested anyway, since I'm not an MMO person these days, but if true, it's a shame they seemingly couldn't figure out a way to do something more interesting with this instead of same ol' same ol'. (edit)Still, just a preview. Could sound better later. Edited May 5, 2012 by LadyCrimson “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 My position is about the same, yeah - that said, I'd take a generic fantasy setting over Star Wars which I've grown to dislike even more since my venture with TOR (it's just too limiting a setting to develop a character which I'd be comfortable with). That said, given both the limitations of technology and Bethesda's dismal track record of creating even remotely compelling combat, I don't think it's a horrible thing to copy that aspect - though perhaps with a greater emphasis on skill with a particular weapon or school of magic rather than having combat ability solely based on class and level. Note I don't actually know if ESO will have any notion of either class or level but anyway. NPC handling is subject to the same limitations - in this case also by the reality of human behaviour. If you make an NPC anything other than an indestructable signpost, players will inevitably grief each other. One thing I would genuinely be disappointed about however if the mooted three-faction split approach just apes WoW's system of total isolation from each other except in cases of PvP. I don't like the system in general because I prefer free association from both a character standpoint and from a game viability standpoint. After all, if you split your clientele from a userbase which is dominated by an 800-pound gorilla game in the form of WoW into three, it's just going to decrease population density and make it that much harder to reach that critical mass where your game is commercially viable. Creating for example the concept of Imperial cities vs Thalmor cities and having access to them be mutually exclusive makes the game effectively half the size it actually is for a given player, despite there quantitatively being more content. A much better approach would be a softer approach to factions, such as having the option after some time playing the game to join the Fighters' guild or whatnot, and have the guild send you on tasks which may directly conflict with what players from the Mages' guild at some points. But players would still fundamentally have access to the same cities, the same NPCs, same non-denominational quests, etc. 1 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Some more Hobbit game rumors: WBI to have registered several domains; The Hobbit: Guardians of Middle Earth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Lucas Arts to release Kotor 1 + Kotor 2 bundle this summer; speculation about coming Kotor 3? Most probably an internally developed Kotor 3, which judgin by LA's lousy past work, is most probably gonna suck. But hey. Hope the re-release bundle gets at least some modifications and Hi-Res Textures....but nah, it's Lucas Arts. 1 Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 And they used to be so cool. Well, ok, pre-2000. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Is LucasArts in the "everything developed internally" or "everything developed externally" section of its bipole at the moment, since I've lost pretty much all interest in them I haven't been paying attention. Swapping directions completely every 18 months has not worked wonders, to say the least, and they've been doing it since... 2007? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 i'd still love a real followup to tie fighter. xwing vs tie fighter was ok, but tie fighter still reigns as my favorite space flight sim type game ever. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Loved the X-wing Trilogy of games, though the X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter was probably my favorite (though I don't think it was officially part of the trilogy, those I think were X-wing, Tie Fighter, and X-wing alliance). X-wing alliance was pretty spectacular as well, but overall the end missions were harder then anything else. I enjoyed The Force Unleashed series from LA most recently, the rest of the stuff they've released as of late has not really caught my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majek Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I don't think they'll follow up that unless someone else does a successful space sim.. :/ 1.13 killed off Ja2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I'm totally for Totally Games making a totally new X-Wing space sim. Totally. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I could see a decent space sim kickstarter getting some attention. Some sort of spiritual successor to Privateer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azdeus Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Mmm... Privateer. I've got pleasant childhood feelings from that game. Learning to count in hexadecimal numbers just to be able to haxxor money together. Mmmmm... Nostalgia. Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Alan Wake 50% off @Steam. You guys think it's worth it? Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flouride Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Alan Wake 50% off @Steam. You guys think it's worth it? For others yes, for you... no. 1 Hate the living, love the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacMichael Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Alan Wake 50% off @Steam. You guys think it's worth it? For others yes, for you... no. Also on sale at GoG.com for the same price. I'm going to need better directions than "the secret lair." -==(UDIC)==- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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