Orogun01 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I had a thought recently whilst playing over the ME series again. What if you've been playing as the bad guys. I mean, the Council is responsible for Xenocide (Rachni), semi-Xenocide (Rogan), and seem to have an incredibly bad track record where every time they do technological innovation or research it backfires (if they aren't human, no wonder humans are catching up so quickily to races that have been technologically advanced for thousands of years previous...though human research seems to backfire half the time as well). Perhaps the humans and the reapers are actually the good guys (though ME2 would make it harder to argue with the whole human DNA dissolution to make Baby reaper aspect) and it's a battle to keep them from being assimilated into the Council races/empire. The only way the Reapers know how to do this is to make the Humans one of them...or maybe it's a choice of two evils, the Reapers who eradicate and commit xenocide...or the Council which also commits xenocide. Still haven't developed this line of thinking all the way through...but a thought that hit me as I was playing ME1 today and encountered the Rachni in this playthrough. You are actually assuming that ME writers can scrounge 2 neurons together to come up with a plausible plot. BTW that sounds like something straight out of the boards. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if the ME3 plot completely contridicts the plot of the earlier games often. You know, how ME2 did. Doesn't really look like it was really planned as a trilogy. I mean, Reapers from ME1 would never attack earth like seen in ME3. They are far too tricky for that. ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Reapers from ME1 would never attack earth like seen in ME3. wat "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niten_Ryu Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I think Reapers attack directly to earth because of valuable resource material (like ME2 showed us). If they attack such way just to purge earth, then I agree that it's rather stupid. They should go KotOR or Warhammer 40k and nuke everything from the orbit. Let's play Alpha Protocol My misadventures on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 wat They are far too planning and scheming for a major assault. They first would weaken us up (see ME1) then just mop up and do the rest (see ME1). Full-scale assault seems rather... not in their repertoire. And then especially not on earth. ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) wat They are far too planning and scheming for a major assault. They first would weaken us up (see ME1) then just mop up and do the rest (see ME1). Full-scale assault seems rather... not in their repertoire. And then especially not on earth. Why do you think the strategy would be the same between having a single ship and having the entire fleet? They're a race of countless invincible capital ships. Stealth would be the exception, not the rule. Edited March 20, 2011 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majek Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I don't think they'd even have to attack. They way the are portrayed it'd be enough for them to just appear all at once and everyone would **** their pants. I mean an ancient civilization had to use a planetary supermegagiga gun to shoot one down, how can all of their armadas take out more than 10 max? 1.13 killed off Ja2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice9 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Wasn't that the point in the first one? It takes a long time for races to rise and do their thing. So while the rest are powered down and hibernating, one reaper waits it out until they can activate the citadel bringing in the big huge fleet destroying everything? Everything was beautiful. Nothing hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Not destroy. They left some alive for a new cycle (at least that was the impression I got in ME1). And yeah, they couldn't normally travel so had to use the hypergate. Which is destroyed. And still they can arrive. Oh well, ME2 seriously messed up what was set in ME1 from the start. ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 So the point of game 1 was that The Citadel was supposed to be on a timer..that would open a gate bringing every Reaper back into the middle of civilised space..allowing them to take out the central communications and then wipe out all life before reseeding it. Sovereign was left behind as a failsafe system.. and because the Citadel timer was scuppered by the Protheans..he went there to try to activate it all manually. So having the rest of the Reapers make their own way in because the "short-cut" was aborted still makes sense. And since it was humanity that basically stopped them that first time..they'd go directly to wipe out the annoying species before they worry about the others... So it's not as if it's entirely a bizarre concept. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 What's mind-boggling is that the ME2 ending shows the Reaper fleet is millions of light years away from the galaxy, yet they still manage to pop up to reap Earth in ME3. The ME codex mentions that less than 1% of the galaxy is explored, so there are probably redundant teleporters scattered around. The Citadel is just the most convenient since it's usually the centre of the galactic civilizations that arise each time. It's going to take one really ridiculous McGuffin to off these mechanical gods. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 It's going to take one really ridiculous McGuffin to off these mechanical gods. A super-specialised virus that Legion manages to come up with.. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 It's going to take one really ridiculous McGuffin to off these mechanical gods. Obviously, there's going to be a Reaper civil war. Normandy SR-3 will be one. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) Two words: Butlerian Jihad. I'm actually expecting BioWare to rip off the ending of Hunters/Sandworms of Dune. As crappy as it was, it perfectly fits the Renegade playthrough. Edited March 20, 2011 by virumor The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Two words: Butlerian Jihad. I'm actually expecting BioWare to rip off the ending of Hunters/Sandworms of Dune. As crappy as it was, it perfectly fits the Renegade playthrough. If only they would. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Two words: Butlerian Jihad. What? How would that work against the Reapers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Architect Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I hope there's an ending where the Reapers win. DIE, HUMANS! DIE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 ME2 has that ending! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Architect Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Yeah but it doesn't count, if your Shepard dies in ME2 you just play as the default Shepard in ME3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice9 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 If ME3 is going to rip off Dune, can we at least rip off the good Dune books and not the super crappy Brian Herbert books? Everything was beautiful. Nothing hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majek Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) It's going to take one really ridiculous McGuffin to off these mechanical gods. ME conspiracy theorists say there's something even the Reapers fear and i bet our new DLCs will just fuel those theories. xDD Edited March 21, 2011 by Majek 1.13 killed off Ja2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylord Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Another thing which has been mentioned in other forums, and I was thinking about last night again. Is there a connection between the Tholian and the Reapers. Many have mentioned the similarities between the Husks in ME and those used by the Collectors in ME2. Is the Tholian old because it's from the Reapers themselves perhaps or perhaps it's the original reaper unmodified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 ME conspiracy theorists say there's something even the Reapers fear and i bet our new DLCs will just fuel those theories. xDD So Shepard will suborn one Reaper, then have him become leader of all reapers then unite with the Alliance to defeat the Great Enemy. Hmm.. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 "Yeah but it doesn't count, if your Shepard dies in ME2 you just play as the default Shepard in ME3." It does count. It means Shepard lost - story and game over. Period. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 i bet the bad ending for ME3 has the reapers win and choose humans to be the remainder race, taking the role of the collectors for the next generation of races. i bet the good ending makes no sense. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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