HoonDing Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Democrats express safety concerns after protests Mar 24, 3:25 PM (ET) By JIM ABRAMS WASHINGTON (AP) - House Democratic leaders on Wednesday said they are concerned about the personal safety of lawmakers because of threats linked to intense opposition to the health care overhaul law. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said the FBI and Capitol Police briefed Democrats on how to handle perceived security threats and that those who feel they are at risk will be "getting attention from the proper authorities." Hoyer said more than 10 Democratic lawmakers have reported incidents, but he did not whether any are now receiving added security. Normally only those in leadership positions have personal security guards. Protests swirled around the Capitol during debate on the health care overhaul last weekend. Protesters hurled racial slurs at several black lawmakers and one protester spat at a black lawmaker. Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the Democratic whip and a senior member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said he has vivid memories of history and that the scene on the street Saturday was "very reminiscent of our history." Bricks were thrown through windows at two Democratic Party offices in western New York, including a district office of Rep. Louise Slaughter, who played a key role in getting the health care bill through the House. The Tucson, Ariz., congressional office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was also vandalized a few hours after the House vote. Hoyer said there were incidents such as people yelling that Democratic lawmakers should be put on firing lines and posters with the faces of lawmakers in the crosshairs of a target. While not directly criticizing Republicans, Hoyer said that "any show of appreciation for such actions encourages such action." Several Republicans stood on the second-floor Speaker's Balcony overlooking the West Front of the Capitol cheering on the protesters and waving signs such as "Kill the bill." Hoyer said Democrats were talking to the Republican leadership and hoped to come up with a united front on the security issue. House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said in a statement that while many Americans are angry over passage of the health care bill, "violence and threats are unacceptable. "That's not the American way," Boehner said. "We need to take that anger and channel it into positive change." The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Gfted1 Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 You seriously find that amusing? Kinda. In that too-bad-it-had-to-come-to-this-while-I-shake-my-head-in-dissappointment-over-my-country kinda way. And KK, just shut up. You dont know me nor are you capable of understanding, well, anything. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Gorgon Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 It's those tea party lunatics, can't really do anything about those except tough it out. Well except a hole in the ground and a firing squad. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) While I may not know you personally, Gifted1, but I know your type. I understand a great deal of things as well. I know that when the time comes there will be a fight between people like you and people like me, and it will be bloody and no one will win. You seem to be the type to fight and kill for what you deem to be right. I know I am. What we both believe to be right are irreconcilably opposed. There can be no compromise. So, what does that leave us? Edited March 25, 2010 by Killian Kalthorne "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
Pidesco Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 A life of debating on the internets with strangers? "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend.
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 There is going to be a time when the debate is over. That time is fast approaching. The use of threats and breaking windows is just the beginning. The use of bricks is the beginning. Next will be the use of guns and the flying of bullets. It is just a matter of time of which side will shoot first. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
Rosbjerg Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Kinda. In that too-bad-it-had-to-come-to-this-while-I-shake-my-head-in-dissappointment-over-my-country kinda way. And KK, just shut up. You dont know me nor are you capable of understanding, well, anything. I'm disappointed, you guys (republicans in particular) value your liberty so much.. So why resort to, or condone, these very undemocratic acts? Should you not instead fight back within the letter of the law, instead of making threats and celebrating violence? You seem to be the type to fight and kill for what you deem to be right. I know I am. What we both believe to be right are irreconcilably opposed. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.. Fortune favors the bald.
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Absolutes is all we have. There are no shades of gray. You are either for the health care law or you are oppose it. You are either Pro-Life, or Pro-Choice. You are either for stricter immigration reform, or for amnesty. In the realm of politics, you are either for something or against it. The polarization of opposite ideologies leave no room for compromise. Only absolutes. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
Pidesco Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 There is going to be a time when the debate is over. That time is fast approaching. The use of threats and breaking windows is just the beginning. The use of bricks is the beginning. Next will be the use of guns and the flying of bullets. It is just a matter of time of which side will shoot first. Are you trying to get the role of a seer in a bad post apocalyptic movie? "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend.
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 I will call it The Book Of Hades. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
vault_overseer Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 As an immigrant to US, I find it extremely amusing how much people get worked up over these things. Domestic violence and terrorism in the land of the free, because someone doesn't agree with you is very lulworthy.
Gorgon Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 No, no, he's not getting ahead of himself at all. Doom, doom I say. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Wrath of Dagon Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Yeah, the rhetoric needs to be cooled a bit. The way some are talking is it's like the end of the world. Some of the more unstable individuals don't understand it's just political theater. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Killian Kalthorne Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Political theater? We have had a president killed in a theater. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
Calax Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Yeah, the rhetoric needs to be cooled a bit. The way some are talking is it's like the end of the world. Some of the more unstable individuals don't understand it's just political theater. It'd probably help if the protesters weren't hand fed their opinions by the Conservative news networks, who tell them that this is the start of socializm and that Obama will turn into a black Vladimir Lenin within 2 years and we'll soon all be working in state run factories or living in gulags while our economy crumbles under the weight of socialism. Or basically being told that this is the future of their society. (well, that was the 2004 version anyway). Edited March 25, 2010 by Calax Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off.
lord of flies Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) 'Health reform': A victory for the insurance companies About 23 million to remain uninsured nine years from now With much fanfare and hoopla, President Obama on March 23 signed into law the misnamed Edited March 26, 2010 by lord of flies
Oblarg Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 'Health reform': A victory for the insurance companies About 23 million to remain uninsured nine years from now With much fanfare and hoopla, President Obama on March 23 signed into law the misnamed "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies
Humodour Posted March 26, 2010 Author Posted March 26, 2010 You're right, it's a load of crap. It's absolutely ridiculous that Americans didn't get universal healthcare. But no matter how you paint it, this bill is many leagues above what America had before. It insures tens of millions more Americans and criminalises the worst of the dodgy practices that were being purveyed by America's horribly unethical insurance companies.
Wrath of Dagon Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Or basically being told that this is the future of their society. (well, that was the 2004 version anyway). Sounds like a great plot for a video game. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
213374U Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 If more news media was like this, people might be inclined to pay more attention.That's interesting, but I'm inclined to believe it actually works the other way around: media outlets are more popular the more they say what people want to hear the way they want to hear it... being EXTREME is usually a synonym of being biased. Or that's the common perception, anyway. Nobody's preventing anyone from going to the party for somethingorother website for their news, right? But they'd rather browse the NYT... - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 There is going to be a time when the debate is over. That time is fast approaching. The use of threats and breaking windows is just the beginning. The use of bricks is the beginning. Next will be the use of guns and the flying of bullets. It is just a matter of time of which side will shoot first. And then... zombies. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
Tigranes Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I don't have a clue what's going on with the bill, but I can still tell that article is hugely biased bollocks. So without the bill would that figure of 23 million be lower, higher, the same? The 12 million 'undocumented workers' (illegal immigrants?) are given this huge sympathy paintjob just to add numbers to the argument. Pfft. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
lord of flies Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) That's interesting, but I'm inclined to believe it actually works the other way around: media outlets are more popular the more they say what people want to hear the way they want to hear it... being EXTREME is usually a synonym of being biased. Or that's the common perception, anyway. Nobody's preventing anyone from going to the party for somethingorother website for their news, right? But they'd rather browse the NYT... Well, first of all, the PSL news doesn't update as often as the NYT. Secondly, the NYT is rich and wastes/uses money on advertisement. It also has "good faith" value as a consequence of its long-term existence (i.e. "the New York Times" is a recognizable name). No PSL article is the sort of thing you get bored with in the middle as a bland, corporate journalist attempts to disguise his bias with the use of too many words and too little information while trying to convince himself that his job is real, complete and unbiased education with long, tangentially related explanations of things that happened years ago. I don't have a clue what's going on with the bill, but I can still tell that article is hugely biased bollocks. So without the bill would that figure of 23 million be lower, higher, the same? The 12 million 'undocumented workers' (illegal immigrants?) are given this huge sympathy paintjob just to add numbers to the argument. Pfft. "Hugely biased bollocks"? Perhaps in backwards world. Who gives a **** if the figure would be higher? Maybe we could try doing the right thing instead of some very slightly marginally better thing? If there was a law which would effectively reduce lynching to half its prior levels, would you go "Oh yes, this is a fantastic law and I am highly supportive of it" or would you push for a law that actually outlaws lynching? PS: The PSL is not giving them a "huge sympathy paintjob just to add numbers to the argument," the PSL genuinely believes in that undocumented workers deserve full treatment as citizens and move around due to economic reasons, the root of which is US imperialism. Edited March 26, 2010 by lord of flies
Tigranes Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 BTW: Merged, we already have a healthcare topic. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
lord of flies Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 BTW: Merged, we already have a healthcare topic. Yeah, but this one sucks. De-merge them plx.
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