Mass Effect 2 Discussion

[Volourn]

ME universe > overrated dune

 

'Nough said.

[RPGmasterBoo]

ME universe > overrated dune

 

'Nough said.

 

 

There, there - it will all be over soon.

[Kaftan Barlast]

ME is alot more like Star Trek(and crap like babylon5) than anything else. I dont see any parallels with Dune whatsoever. Also, Dune is super-creepy with all the religious propaganda.

 

 

I'm wasn't rooting for elves I was rooting for Bioware to abandon this pedestrian universe they created after ME3 is through. No such luck.

 

 

But you wouldnt mind a pedestrian universe like forgotten realms because your dried soul is black and shriveled like a raisin?

 

Face it, ME is the best and deepest game BioWare have created thus far in every single aspect from setting to gameplay. It may not be wholly perfect, but its the peak of their creative history. Nothing they've released before comes close. And if you mention Baldurs Gate 2 again I will punch you in the face, because its an insult to the glory of ME to compare the two.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Kaftan Barlast

[Malcador]

ME universe > overrated dune

 

'Nough said.

 

 

I assume you only read Brian Herbert's expression of hate for his father?

 

Also, where was the propaganda in Dune ? It seems to be mentioned as more of a tool than anything else. Strange people.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Malcador

[Oner]

ME is alot more like Star Trek than anything else.

*screams in denial*

[RPGmasterBoo]

ME is alot more like Star Trek(and crap like babylon5) than anything else. I dont see any parallels with Dune whatsoever. Also, Dune is super-creepy with all the religious propaganda.

 

The lack of parallels is what makes Dune good and ME pedestrian. I was saying that there are spades of good sci-fi they can use, beyond the lamest examples of space opera that cater to everyone's taste - or lack of it.

 

But you wouldnt mind a pedestrian universe like forgotten realms because your dried soul is black and shriveled like a raisin?

 

Forgotten Realms sucks, but it is extremely fleshed out with tons of material. Having a solid backing and a rich universe to pick what you will out of it helped BGII be the game that it was.

 

Face it, ME is the best and deepest game BioWare have created thus far in every single aspect from setting to gameplay.

 

No.

 

Its not deep on any level, either gameplay or plot wise. Its a very good game at best, propelled to popularity by aggressive marketing and by being available on several platforms, as well as blindly following recent console action game trends and hollywood blockbuster cliche's.

 

It fails on "glory" of any sort because its like a cheap hoe, trying to please absolutely everyone but most of all the teenage console crowd whose tastes are... debatable. None of this is particularly terrible but it will deny the game the sort of legendary status you seem to believe its entitled to.

Edited February 8, 2010 by RPGmasterBoo

[Hurlshort]

ME is alot more like Star Trek than anything else.

*screams in denial*

 

I'd say it's almost exactly like Star Trek. They just needed Kaiden to wear a red shirt and it would be a dead ringer. I do think Geth sounds better than Borg.

[Volourn]

"There, there - it will all be over soon. "

 

Nice pic of your fave npc of all time.

 

 

 

"Its a very good game at best"

 

Yeah, ME is so horrible than even the person who bashes it calls it 'very good'. LMAO

 

 

"Face it, ME is the best and deepest game BioWare have created thus far in every single aspect from setting to gameplay. "

 

Jokin' right? Youa r ejust as bad as Boo is with his Bg series love.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Volourn

[213374U]

Emo alert! Sory, she has a hero worshipping complex. No way a career military person like the doc would work for cerberus which is basically enemy #1 for the alliance just because she doesn't want to live on a planet. She does it because she was told she had a chance to work for Shepard. Not that I blame her in that regard; but it is hero worship.

Yeah, it's not like high-ranking career military personnel ever defect to the enemy for reasons other than hero-worship! Unthinkable!

 

She does mention that she doesn't consider herself to be working for Cerberus, but for Shep. Whatever lies she tells herself, however, are of little consequence - at the end of the day she's serving on a Cerberus boat, wearing a Cerberus uniform and working towards Cerberus' goals. Conversely, take Kaidan/Ashley as examples of "hero-worshippers" that aren't quite so casual about abandoning their military careers and going to work for a supremacist fringe organization. For now, at least.

 

All in all, the retcon they subjected Cerberus to between ME1 and ME2 is pretty awful, and consistency problems like this were bound to arise.

 

 

Face it, ME is the best and deepest game BioWare have created thus far in every single aspect from setting to gameplay. It may not be wholly perfect, but its the peak of their creative history.

Unfortunately, their best isn't very good, at least when it comes to shaping and solving the central, defining aspects of the setting. For one, the Reapers and some of the underlying themes related to them are conceptually fine, but the realization is terrible.

 

 

ME is alot more like Star Trek than anything else.

*screams in denial*

Search your feelings... you know it to be true.

[Raithe]

ME works as a fairly standard space-opera style universe. It doesn't really try to claim to be some groundhshaking thing in that way. The main thing Bio pushes is the voice acting and trying to do the actions and consequences. Which I think will be sort of hard to say about until you can get the "trilogy" together and played through. Then you can sit down and go "yeah , there were consequences to my actions" or "crapcrapcrap" to the tune of spam.

 

FR has aspects that were deep. Also that were shallow. It was immensely patchwork after 30 odd years of accumulated pen n paper supplements.. While i enjoyed many aspects of it, the whole "archmage in every town" was a touch annoying. It was like they were put in just for the "in case the GM needs a big stick to hit players with".

 

Personally, I tended to prefer Dark Sun and Al-Quadim (and yes, I know, technically Al-Quadim was on the same planet as FR). Hell, even Spelljamming was interesting for its little twisting around of conventions.

 

But I think Bio is taking a break from having to partner up with WoTC and the like at the moment, and trying to experiment with their own worlds..

 

They haven't said what type of other games they'd follow with in the ME setting.. sure there might be other rpg stories, but they could always try something else.. They've created a universe, let's just see what they come up with to use it..

[Orogun01]

But, Kaftan in his rant has a little bit of true in it. ME is one of the best originals IP that Bioware has created, while not on the same status as the Forgotten Realms (due to age difference) it has the potential to equate major franchises.

PS: I think Boo wants BW to stop making starship troopers and focus on BGIII. But that's like an opinion

[RPGmasterBoo]

Yeah, ME is so horrible than even the person who bashes it calls it 'very good'. LMAO

 

I don't hate it. I've had my fun with it, and its on a shelf now where its gonna do a good job of collecting dust.

That's the kind of fire and forget fun the game offers and I was aware of it when I bought it.

Like I said, its a very good game.

 

I'm bashing the undeserved legendary status that some people and the press are so keen to award it with.

 

PS: I think Boo wants BW to stop making starship troopers and focus on BGIII. But that's like an opinion unsure.gif

 

I'd rather see some other licensed material, WoD in particular.

 

As for BG, I'd love to see the more popular characters rendered with ME production values, but I don't see what the point of this return would be. That story was finished, as well as it could be at the time.

But I think Bio is taking a break from having to partner up with WoTC and the like at the moment, and trying to experiment with their own worlds..

 

Its significantly cheaper, and the WoTC are notoriously annoying to work with. I've heard the same of White Wolf. Too much meddling... But they do offer pedigree and tons of finished content.

Edited February 8, 2010 by RPGmasterBoo

[Oner]

ME is alot more like Star Trek than anything else.

*screams in denial*

Search your feelings... you know it to be true.

I remembered there's more to ST than DS 9, so yeah, it's true.

 

 

But I think Bio is taking a break from having to partner up with WoTC and the like at the moment, and trying to experiment with their own worlds..

Dunno why, but I feel like they're just looking for an excuse to spam codex entries. Why they write games instead of lexicons is beyond me.

[213374U]

ME is alot more like Star Trek than anything else.

*screams in denial*

Search your feelings... you know it to be true.

I remembered there's more to ST than DS 9, so yeah, it's true.

Particularly, if Shep saved the Council, the similarities are much more obvious.

 

Which is another reason to go full Jerk in ME1 and let them burn. The police state-power vacuum feeling in ME2 that way is more satisfying, I think, but worse for explaining the Alliance (and by extension, the Council's) apparent inaction in the face of ULTIMATE THREATS OF DOOM.

[Volourn]

"She does mention that she doesn't consider herself to be working for Cerberus, but for Shep."

 

Thanks for proving my point. She's there due to her ehro worshipping of Shepard. Plain, and simple. I like it when people abck it up espciially when they are trying to disprove me. L0L

 

 

"That story was finished, as well as it could be at the time."

 

BG series can easily continue.

 

 

"I'm bashing the undeserved legendary status that some people and the press are so keen to award it with."

 

Not as underserved as the pedestal you put a stupid little rodent on. L0LZ

 

 

 

"Its significantly cheaper, and the WoTC are notoriously annoying to work with. I've heard the same of White Wolf. Too much meddling... But they do offer pedigree and tons of finished content."

 

Yet, probably half the products based on D&D have bombed eitherc ritically, commercially or both. That 'pedigree' is a myth.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Volourn

[213374U]

Thanks for proving my point. She's there due to her ehro worshipping of Shepard. Plain, and simple. I like it when people abck it up espciially when they are trying to disprove me. L0L

I proved nothing save selective reading on your part. L0L r00fles etc

[Aram]

So Volourn has to be among the top five dumbest people I've encountered on the internet.

[Nightshape]

So Volourn has to be among the top five dumbest people I've encountered on the internet.

 

Did I make your list?

[Nightshape]

And if you mention Baldurs Gate 2 again I will punch you in the face.

 

I'm happy to hold him.

[Aram]

The rest are mostly creationists and republicans.

[Volourn]

"So Volourn has to be among the top five dumbest people I've encountered on the internet."

 

Is that the best you got Mr. Buttthurt? Are you crying again? Better do better than this as you fail much like ME2 and its dumbed down character system and combat.

 

Or Troika trying to run a successful game company.

 

Or Bethesda trying to make a worthy FO sequel.

 

Or, your mother trying to give birth to a respectful human being.

 

R00fles!

[Nightshape]

"So Volourn has to be among the top five dumbest people I've encountered on the internet."

 

Is that the best you got Mr. Buttthurt? Are you crying again? Better do better than this as you fail much like ME2 and its dumbed down character system and combat.

 

Or Troika trying to run a successful game company.

 

Or Bethesda trying to make a worthy FO sequel.

 

Or, your mother trying to give birth to a respectful human being.

 

R00fles!

 

Aram I believe this could be considered vindication?

 

On another note, all except Trokia running a successful company are opinions.

 

What you call dumbed down, I would call elegant and streamlined.

 

Bethesda, for many people, made a worthy successor. It is your opinion that it is not.

[Hurlshort]

I think we all better do better.

 

Volophilosophy at its finest.

[Killian Kalthorne]

There are three things I do not like about ME2.

 

1. Thermal Clips

2. Lack of customizable armor, like what Shepherd has, for the squad.

3. The pitiful cameos of Ashley and Liara.

 

Beyond that it is an okay game. I prefer ME1, Dragon Age, and Jade Empire over it, but it is definitely better than NWN1 and KotOR.

[Volourn]

"Bethesda, for many people, made a worthy successor. It is your opinion that it is not. "

 

Thanks for stating the obvious. OMGZ I sahred my opinmionz. Oh noes!

 

HEY EVERYONE SOMEONE SHARED THEIR OPINION AND THEY DID IT ON THE INTERNETZ! THE HORRORZ!

 

 

 

"3. The pitiful cameos of Ashley and Liara."

 

Agree with Ashley; but Liara wasn't too bad as she had a pretty important position and she actually gave you quests and actually interacted with you in a meangful way and she actaully made sense in her reasoning. She also showed some growth. Also, I'm sure her hate for a particular being will (or should) be further explained in ME3.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Volourn