Dynaheir was great. I wish she had a place in BG2.

 

She had one. In Irenicus's experiments

Ah yes. I remember thinking "Good heavens. I wonder who dragged her poisoned corpse all the way here from that gnoll encampment?"

Xan's the man. Or the elf. Or something.

Safana was my primary trapspringer... I wasn't very amused by her "Fate" in BG2 <_<

 

And where the heck was Kivan?

Safana was cool.

Dynaheir was great. I wish she had a place in BG2.

 

She had one. In Irenicus's experiments

No love for Dynaheir. She's even voiced by Jennifer Hale. Not her greatest voiced character but pretty good.

Safana was my primary trapspringer... I wasn't very amused by her "Fate" in BG2 <_<

 

And where the heck was Kivan?

Kivan may not be officially in BG2, but a mod brings him back.

 

Safana was a good thief.

What did happen to Safana in BG2? I don't recall.

 

I liked Tiax. You know they should make an all gnome party with Tiax, Quayle, Jan, and Grobnar. That could be hilarious.

Edited February 19, 200718 yr by Sand

Werewolf.

Wasn't Kivan in one of those forest areas post-Underdark that are all pointless and basically empty?

At least 12 joinable BG NPCs made it into BG2, if only by mention.

 

Imoen

 

Jaheira

 

Minsc

 

Dynaheir -

dead according to Minsc; never seen

 

 

Khalid -

dead, body visible in second level of Jon's dungeon

 

 

Ajantis -

killed by you (unknowingly), identified only if Keldorn is in the group (afaik), seen first as an illusion then as a generic corpse

 

 

Xzar -

alive and well, initially, in the dock district, part of Jaheira's Harper quests.

 

 

Montaron -

dead, part of Jaheira's Harper quests, you find his body stuffed into a chest if you search the Harper Hold later on

 

 

Coran -

alive and well in the North Forest; you can save him by means of careful dialog but I've only done this once; he usually dies.

 

 

Safana -

alive and well, initially, in the North Forest near Coran's location; always dies soon after you find her.

 

 

Tiax -

imprisoned in the Spellhold Asylum; helps you fight Irenicus shortly after your arrival.

 

 

Quayle -

now runs a circus in Waukeen's Promenade

 

Xan's the man. Or the elf. Or something.

We're all doomed!

Whatever!

If you want.

Our quest is vain.

 

Such a depressing soundset he has, it wears on your nerves after a while.

Werewolf.

 

Yup, she did the Hades trick. :whoops:

This is really why the whole 'lol NWN2 is 20 hrs only sniff sniff sob sob' was all BS to begin with. Finishing NWN2, it could have benefited from being half as long.

 

now let us be honest. cut 20 hours from a crpg and it ain't gonna simply be the Donkey Kong repetitive barrel jumping that gets thrown aways.

 

also, keeps in mind that cutting repetitious combats and you would still have gotten to level 20... and people woulda' complained 'bout that too.

 

mindless and repetitous activties in a game is hardly limited to crpgs... but crpg developers IS pretty unapologetic 'bout the whole situation. in other games you gets such tedious filler in small doses... crpgs just does more.

 

part o' blame can be laid at feets o' pnp rpg devlopers. heck, d&d and d20 even has some formula worked out from which crs is generated... forms whole basis for granting xps. most combats is not 'posed to be difficult or challenging in d&d, 'cause challenging requires expenditure o' valuable potions and wands and scrolls and magic ammo... not to mention the loss o' hps and possibly playerlives as well. crpgs follow similar formulas... but w/o all the time consuming dice rolling and bathroom breaks, developers adds in stuff to bolster a bit.

 

the only genuine rpgs is mp games with a dm... or mmporpgs. d&d crpgs, for the most part, is squad-basd tactical combat games, with some rp elements thrown into the mix... so maybe compare to strat games. strategy games usually involves a realtive small number of maps or missions which for all intents and purposes functions likes big puzzles. you start off weak and pathetic with a few gunts or space marines or zergs or whatever. maps gets bigger and moe complex, and you gets to slowly access more units... is kinda like leveling. most of the battles you fights in a strategy game is pretty damn repetitious, no? vogel vastly overstates unique nature o' crpgs.

 

in any event, Gromnir would be much in favor of decreasing the number o' barrels we gotta jump... the thing is that we would prefer that the devlopers increase the tactical/strategic challenges of the remaining combat encounters... but reload and rt hinder this somewhat, and the old pnp formula involving X encounters per level is gonna be hard to shakes too.

 

cut 40 down to 20 w/o fundamental change in model would simply gives a game half as long... not result in a game with all the good stuff and none of the pointless barrel jumping.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited February 20, 200718 yr by Gromnir

You know they should make an all gnome party with Tiax, Quayle, Jan, and Grobnar. That could be hilarious.

No.

Convenient to fireball, at least.

You know they should make an all gnome party with Tiax, Quayle, Jan, and Grobnar. That could be hilarious.

No.

 

Why not? Think all the heroic deeds these gnomes could do!

A black hole of insanity would open up and suck everyone's sanity dry.

And that would be a bad thing?

What did happen to Safana in BG2? I don't recall.

 

I liked Tiax. You know they should make an all gnome party with Tiax, Quayle, Jan, and Grobnar. That could be hilarious.

The midgets. They can be sold to the drow for slaves.

No, they would enslave the drow, then annoy the drow, blow up the drow, then finally try to entertain the drow.

More like annoy them to the point that they go mad.

And that would be a bad thing?

What did happen to Safana in BG2? I don't recall.

 

I liked Tiax. You know they should make an all gnome party with Tiax, Quayle, Jan, and Grobnar. That could be hilarious.

Grobnar was a Halfling in disguise.

I agree with everyone on this page as to why Fantasy is a burnt-out husk of a genre.