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And now an interview for CNN with the president (of Serbia). Tomorrow I will wake up and read that we are in NATO. This is like the twilight zone.

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On 5/31/2023 at 3:27 PM, Sarex said:

And now an interview for CNN with the president (of Serbia). Tomorrow I will wake up and read that we are in NATO. This is like the twilight zone.

Kosovo really stepped in it here, it seems

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1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Kosovo really stepped in it here, it seems

They literally did what they were doing for decades now. This is a shift in the western politics. The question to ask would be why now?

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It's not like they could 'lose' Kosovo short of pulling their troops out, which won't happen. It's about as literal a vassal state as it's possible to get in modern polities, wholly dependent on aid, remittances and subsidies from all the NATO troops/ bases. If you started getting the same rhetoric applied to Bosnia it'd mean something more.

I'd say they're trying to get a condemnation of Russia out of Serbia in exchange so they can say that Russia has no allies in Europe; and more of a long shot recognition of Kosovo so people don't continually point it out as an example of western hypocrisy. The former would be exactly the sort of ultimately meaningless feel good spectacle that von der Leyen and Borrel love, the latter would have more substance but probably be political suicide.

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17 hours ago, Sarex said:

They literally did what they were doing for decades now. This is a shift in the western politics. The question to ask would be why now?

Kosovo refused to follow treaty they agreed with EU and USA and Serbia has signaled their interest of closer relationship so it is natural progress that happens in relationships between nations. Those that who benefit country's agenda are good guys and those that cause problems are bad guys

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3 hours ago, Sarex said:

 

I'm having trouble making out what game they're playing, but it looks like the workers btfo the troops.

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1 hour ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I'm having trouble making out what game they're playing, but it looks like the workers btfo the troops.

Tug of war.

**** be weird man. This is such a jarring shift to watch that I'm getting whiplash.

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annoying orange been sued thousand time for decades

a few new crime hardly matter

more worry about that forest fire

run out of forest to burn seem like only a matter of decades

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Hey, lawyers have to live too! One way to keep up the employment figures 😁

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31 minutes ago, Gorth said:

Hey, lawyers have to live too! One way to keep up the employment figures 😁

Sure, but the problem is, Trump doesn't pay them.

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8 hours ago, Lexx said:

Sure, but the problem is, Trump doesn't pay them.

I think they've started to ask for money in advance.  Well, or at least I hope they are.

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4 hours ago, Malcador said:

I think they've started to ask for money in advance.  Well, or at least I hope they are.

kinda.  our understanding is what they (at least the reputable attorneys on the team) are doing is setting their retainer extreme high and the retainer account must be maintained or else the attorney may recuse for "fundamental differences." 

am gonna wait 'til we read full indictment before commenting 'bout trump's situation vis-a-vis mar-a-lago documents.

however, 'cause am assuming this scene is gonna be invoked more frequent in the coming days...

obvious trump and his cronies were not fans o' the wire, to their detriment.

edit: am gonna observe how following a quick read, the charge(s) we were surprised by were 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant related. is not shocking trump co would do such (alleged) but is the first time am having heard mention o' witness tampering in the context o' mar-a-lago. 

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5 hours ago, Pidesco said:

link is to the doj original appeal o' judge cannon's appointment o' the special master to review materials taken by the fbi as part o' their mar-a-lago search.

if you wanna read the unsealed indictment,

 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-trump-indictment-on-mishandling-of-classified-documents

gotta admit we were a smidge confused by the 18 U.S. Code § 1512 charges being included 'cause the section relates to witness tampering. is so rare one need consider the possibility o' a defendant's attorney being a witness in a case against the defendant that it didn't initial register for us when we saw sections listed. counts 32-34 involve trump and nauta efforts to affect "trump attorney 1" representations to the feds, and am gonna assume for the nonce corcoran is attorney 1. 

aside, were pleased to see the following:

couple hours following our previous post.

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oj makes a couple valid observations 'bout the current nfl rb situation, but seeing as this is the politics thread...

should be one o' those too obvious to need be said bits o' pith, but is true that it is in a criminal defendant's best interest to stfu and never speak 'bout the case save when communicating with the defendant's lawyers. whatever your feels 'bout oj, his observations 'bout dalvin cook appear reasonable... and the stfu advice for trump is also money.

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On 6/9/2023 at 10:18 PM, Pidesco said:

Pidesco  what would you say to people who believe this  is a witch-hunt to stop Trump winning in 2024?

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56 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Pidesco  what would you say to people who believe this  is a witch-hunt to stop Trump winning in 2024?

I probably wouldn't engage them. Either they are wilfully dishonest, or they are so far down the rabbit hole that I'd have less of a chance of changing their mind than of changing the mind of a flat earther.

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1 hour ago, Pidesco said:

I probably wouldn't engage them. Either they are wilfully dishonest, or they are so far down the rabbit hole that I'd have less of a chance of changing their mind than of changing the mind of a flat earther.

had there any case of deprogramed flat earther

have to be some in the past few years

most would likely be too ashamed to make announce it

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1 hour ago, Pidesco said:

I probably wouldn't engage them. Either they are wilfully dishonest, or they are so far down the rabbit hole that I'd have less of a chance of changing their mind than of changing the mind of a flat earther.

I have been following this outrage on Codex from Trump supporters  and the arguments are generally unconvincing. People tend to say things like " this is just another Mueller inquiry targeting  Trump and  its purely  political " 

But we need to separate previous allegations from this, he definitely has charges to answer in this case. And I always wonder if Obama was being charged what the same people would be saying?

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48 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

Well put. The term "witch-hunt" itself is enough to disqualify the claim as one worth taking seriously.

But there  are cases and allegations  against Trump that turned out not to be true or were not what people assumed  like the Mueller inquiry which was important but Trump didnt have any direct links to the Ruskies

Thats where witch-hunt comes from and US culture wars just makes some people's views trenchant and automated even before evidence or inquiries are concluded. And thats from the left and right from the extremist\radical  elements on many issues 

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