Ukraine Conflict - Der Weg zurück

[Sarex]

12 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Don't really know why the Russians aren't using their semi precision bombs rather than flying low enough for stingers to have an effect (exc Su25). That's the vast majority of what they did in Syria, and the rebels there had far less AA.

Because they didn't care about Syrian lives. I think that Russia is still hoping that after a victory or a surrender from Ukraine all of this will blow over. I really don't see how that can happen as far as the Ukrainian people are concerned. At best they will achieve a goal and demilitarize Ukraine, but the people will still hate them. Then again, I don't know what Ukraine's public opinion of the west is right, seeing as how they left them out to dry.

[Darkpriest]

This is an old vid, but it shows what i believe is most of the engagements. Small scale skirmishes and ambushes on both sides, unless Russians are attacking some critical objective. 

 

[Zoraptor]

1 hour ago, Sarex said:

Because they didn't care about Syrian lives. I think that Russia is still hoping that after a victory or a surrender from Ukraine all of this will blow over.

I'd argue as previous that the vast bulk of the 'indiscriminate' stuff would come from artillery rather than the air anyway. That was the case in Syria, the air stuff got more coverage for being dramatic. It would be difficult to prove but I'd suspect that bog standard mortars killed more civilians than air power there.

They clearly have to do some low level attacks to hit moving targets and the like, but for a lot of stuff the difference between +/- 1m for a PGM and +/- 10 for a semi precision one is irrelevant. If nothing else you can't drop bombs of any type from a plane that has been shot down.

[Raithe]

 

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Raithe

[Mamoulian War]

Anyone wondering like me, why there was still no significant attack on the 64km long convoy, which seems to be stuck? It looks like they do not need to do anything about it yet. This tries to shed some info onto the matter. (click on Read the full conversation).

TLDR - convoy is stuck in Mud, out of fuel (whole 17 kms of cars) and running out of food (allegedly, they were sent on their way with only three days worth of rations). It is highly probable, that they have also no power in car batteries. The commanding officer, who tried to "solve the situation" at the front convoy was killed by a sniper.
 

 

[Malcador]

 

 

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

 

 

Malc now you can see why I use to say Trump said funny things at times, this is one of them  ...at least he is not president anymore. But you  must admit this is hilarious 

[Lexx]

Bit weird, but I wonder if Covid actually saved us. I'm pretty sure without it f'ing everything up, Trump would have easily been reelected. It doesn't need a genius to figure out what he would have done in this situation.

[BruceVC]

9 hours ago, Sarex said:

Because they didn't care about Syrian lives. I think that Russia is still hoping that after a victory or a surrender from Ukraine all of this will blow over. I really don't see how that can happen as far as the Ukrainian people are concerned. At best they will achieve a goal and demilitarize Ukraine, but the people will still hate them. Then again, I don't know what Ukraine's public opinion of the west is right, seeing as how they left them out to dry.

The West didnt leave Ukraine out to dry? What are you talking about, the West is doing almost everything possible to support Ukraine but we not going to do anything that leads to war with Russia

Sorry Sarex, Im sorry you disappointed that we dont want to risk nuclear holocaust. But the sanctions will work, they work more slowly but its not as quick as WW3 

[BruceVC]

6 minutes ago, Lexx said:

Bit weird, but I wonder if Covid actually saved us. I'm pretty sure without it f'ing everything up, Trump would have easily been reelected. It doesn't need a genius to figure out what he would have done in this situation.

Absolutely, I have always maintained it was the poor and or inconsistent response to Covid that was the greatest factor in Trumps defeat. It influenced the large percent of undecided voters who can really swing an election either way 

[Gorth]

For those interested in history and background for the war... warning, long video, but very interesting. Bear in mind this is from 2015, covering post Soviet and Western relations after 1991, but could have been made yesterday. From the University of Chicago...

 

[xzar_monty]

2 hours ago, Lexx said:

Bit weird, but I wonder if Covid actually saved us. I'm pretty sure without it f'ing everything up, Trump would have easily been reelected. It doesn't need a genius to figure out what he would have done in this situation.

You will also have to consider that the whole situation may well be a result of Covid in the first place. I am not privy to what Putin is experiencing, but two years of near-hysterical isolation will not do you any good at all if you are inclined towards paranoia.

Both of our comments are speculation, of course, and should be regarded as such.

However, absolutely terrible historical ironies are a well-known fact, and this might be one. Who knows. Here's probably the most terrible historical irony: Adolf Hitler's anti-semitism saved the world. The exodus [sic] of Jewish scientists from Germany began in the 1930s, and was substantial. Without that, Hitler would probably have had the Bomb in 1942 or 1943. And we all know what he'd have done with it. Albert Einstein himself noted sometime around 1937/1938 that Hitler's anti-semitism will do his forthcoming war effort an awful lot of damage, which it did.

But you're not likely to make people smile when you say, "By the way, Adolf Hitler's anti-semitism saved the world".

[BruceVC]

1 minute ago, xzar_monty said:

You will also have to consider that the whole situation may well be a result of Covid in the first place. I am not privy to what Putin is experiencing, but two years of near-hysterical isolation will not do you any good at all if you are inclined towards paranoia.

Both of our comments are speculation, of course, and should be regarded as such.

However, absolutely terrible historical ironies are a well-known fact, and this might be one. Who knows. Here's probably the most terrible historical irony: Adolf Hitler's anti-semitism saved the world. The exodus [sic] of Jewish scientists from Germany began in the 1930s, and was substantial. Without that, Hitler would probably have had the Bomb in 1942 or 1943. And we all know what he'd have done with it. Albert Einstein himself noted sometime around 1937/1938 that Hitler's anti-semitism will do his forthcoming war effort an awful lot of damage, which it did.

But you're not likely to make people smile when you say, "By the way, Adolf Hitler's anti-semitism saved the world".

I find these types of events and their outcome fascinating because you can recognize certain terrible events that were globally condemned but later on you can see how they benefitted the world and mankind in a very important way

And nukes also helped prevent WW3 with mutually assured destruction as I have previously mentioned. So the actual invention of the nuclear bomb helped prevent WW3 

[xzar_monty]

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Edited March 6, 2022 by xzar_monty

[Totally not Gorgon]

Charming fellow. 

[Totally not Gorgon]

One of Putins "little green men"

[Darkpriest]

Hah, you know you have a weekend when you can waste time for mindlessly going through youtube. 

I've found a piece though, which is somewhat funny, because it actually speaks a lot of truth about Russian state of mind. 

 

[ComradeYellow]

This Texas communist man went to fight alongside Russia, saying “these guys are going to save and liberate all the good people in Ukraine.” If this is how committed he is to fighting fascism at his age, all of us younger Marxists should step up our anti-fascist militancy game.

Americans.

[xzar_monty]

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Edited March 6, 2022 by xzar_monty

[majestic]

14 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

<ignore this, too. sorry folks. will stop posting in this thread. such a shame that you can't just delete your comments.>

Welcome to the club, I've made more than my fair share of such comments, and apparently in reply to the same posters.

[rjshae]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Malc now you can see why I use to say Trump said funny things at times, this is one of them  ...at least he is not president anymore. But you  must admit this is hilarious 

Hilarious in the same way you laugh at moronic statements, yes.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

7 hours ago, Lexx said:

Bit weird, but I wonder if Covid actually saved us. I'm pretty sure without it f'ing everything up, Trump would have easily been reelected. It doesn't need a genius to figure out what he would have done in this situation.

It feels like the rona has been here forever, but Trump did order an Iranian general assassinated in early 2020. It's hard to say if he did it to dredge up popularity (as no war time president has ever lost an election) or if it was just another thing the Bush-era ghouls he packed his administration with wanted to cross off their bucket list. So maybe, in a world without the rona, the US starts a war with Iran in 2020. God knows how that would go.

But assuming that other than the rona and Trump, nothing changed? I have no ****ing idea tbh. While Trump himself says monumentally dumb ****, his advisors would be firmly split between wanting to bomb Russia to oblivion and wanting to reach an accord with Russia, ostensibly to align against China. So we probably wouldn't see F-22s with PRC decals but we could see escalation or more conciliatory actions.

[ComradeYellow]

8 hours ago, Lexx said:

 It doesn't need a genius to figure out what he would have done in this situation.

...The same exact thing as Biden but perhaps with significantly different rhetoric?  Dems, Repubs, all the same, different tone.

Edited March 6, 2022 by ComradeYellow

[rjshae]

5 hours ago, xzar_monty said:

You will also have to consider that the whole situation may well be a result of Covid in the first place. I am not privy to what Putin is experiencing, but two years of near-hysterical isolation will not do you any good at all if you are inclined towards paranoia.

He's had the restoration of Russian "greatness" in mind since he came to power 21 years ago. This event didn't suddenly spring into being. After his experiences in Syria, the rebuilding of Russian military capabilities, Biden's falling popularity, and the West's increasing dependence on Russian oil, he calculated that now is the time when he can get away with a takeover of the Ukraine and succeed.

[kanisatha]

On 3/5/2022 at 10:17 AM, Malcador said:

All "leftist" ideas?

Fair enough. I shouldn't have been so absolute.