Politics US Edition Volume II

[BruceVC]

1 minute ago, Gfted1 said:

I personally cant wait for my socialist overlords to seize power! 

You may be waiting a long time....like never 

[Pidesco]

14 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

I personally cant wait for my socialist overlords to seize power! Were fixin' to print up another Trillion for "stimulus relief", but after that Ive got my fingers crossed for some sweet sweet UHC and UFE. Its going to save me a fortune right when I'll need it most.

 

You guys are just dead set on not saving money, so no chance.

[Gfted1]

11 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

You may be waiting a long time....like never 

We dont have to call it the dirty "S" word, we can create some kind of hybrid social/capitalist system. At this stage in my life free UHC is the most appealing, followed by UFE (for my kid), and UBI (for the lulz). Pragmatically speaking, I only really need the US to exist for ~65 more years and by then everyone I created/love/know will be dust in the wind. If we can blow 2 Trillin in under a year, we can print up enough money for UHC/UFE/UBI. Let the good times roll, beers are on me!

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

50 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

That fact that this insane, unreasoning fanaticism that we have witnessed in this election battle should come from Republicans, REPUBLICANS for God's sake, is just a shock to me.

Not to me. I understand I'm at least a decade younger than you (in all likelihood closer to 2), but since I was a kid all I've really seen from the Republicans is shady dealings, authoritarianism, and increasingly deranged conspiracy theories with a thin veneer of platitudes invoking freedom that would set off anyone's bull**** detector. Trump isn't so much a departure from the Republican party as it has existed for at least two decades as he is representative of the conclusions of the strategies and policies it had been using to govern and win elections.

[ComradeYellow]

Americans seem to be warming up to UHC at least. 

Whatever we do though, roughly 25% of the country will be militantly against any change whatsoever. 

For the near future, I guess I'd be happy with UHC and "stopping the wars".

[majestic]

I once heard that supreme commie Milton Friedman was also in favor of UBI, although he liked to call it negative income tax for some reason. Probably because negative tax sounds less commie, but free money from the state is free money from the state, right? Heh.

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

Which makes this story even worse... if possible... Arizona GOP asks followers if they're willing to die in effort to overturn election results

Hm...so if this goes like Jonestown, what do you think these people will drink ? Budweiser ?

[ShadySands]

Trump wine if that is still a thing that exists

e: it looks like it does

Edited December 9, 2020 by ShadySands

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

This was the party of dispassionate reasoning, fiscal responsibility, and restrained government.

It's interesting to see how parties change over time. I think your post does a good job of illuminating the danger of becoming too attached to them

6 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

e: it looks like it does

Who can say no to the "Taste of Trump" sampler?

Edited December 9, 2020 by Achilles

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

We dont have to call it the dirty "S" word, we can create some kind of hybrid social/capitalist system. At this stage in my life free UHC is the most appealing, followed by UFE (for my kid), and UBI (for the lulz). Pragmatically speaking, I only really need the US to exist for ~65 more years and by then everyone I created/love/know will be dust in the wind. If we can blow 2 Trillin in under a year, we can print up enough money for UHC/UFE/UBI. Let the good times roll, beers are on me!

I like the way you think, I can work with you because I believe I can both empathize and understand what motivates you and its reasonable IMO 

[Malcador]

36 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

Trump wine if that is still a thing that exists

e: it looks like it does

It's rebranded Welch's isn't it.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

12 minutes ago, Malcador said:

It's rebranded Welch's isn't it.

It's probably worse. 

[HoonDing]

"That fact that this insane, unreasoning fanaticism that we have witnessed in this election battle should come from Republicans, REPUBLICANS for God's sake, is just a shock to me. This was the party of McCain, Reagan, Goldwater, Roosevelt, Kissinger, Douglass, Lincoln, and Fremont. "

is this satire

[Guard Dog]

5 hours ago, Achilles said:

It's interesting to see how parties change over time. I think your post does a good job of illuminating the danger of becoming too attached to them

 

Thomas Jefferson and I both agree with you 100%!

”I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all”

Edited December 9, 2020 by Guard Dog

[Malcador]

https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/17-states-trump-join-texas-scotus-suit-to-toss-biden-electors/

Paxton needs a pardon, I suspect.

[Raithe]

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Guard Dog said:

Thomas Jefferson and I both agree with you 100%!

”I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all”

I'm a big fan of his bible

[Gorth]

Is this the Supreme Courts way of saying "**** off!"?

The US Supreme Court has rejected a challenge against President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Pennsylvania.

Republicans in the state wanted to overturn certification of the result, but justices rejected the request in a one sentence ruling.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55243008

 

[ShadySands]

Can't they be punished for filing all these frivolous lawsuits? Or are TV law shows letting me down once again?

[Gromnir]

9 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

Can't they be punished for filing all these frivolous lawsuits? Or are TV law shows letting me down once again?

fed rule 11

every state has an analogous provision... typically identified as "rule 11."

so, yes, but...

can the lawyers be punished is different than will they be punished. rule 11 is considered an extraordinary measure. 

...

the thing is, more than a few o' these lawsuits is pushing any reasonable boundary. example is a recent arizona case where the judge identified the factual offerings o' a kraken lawsuit as little more than a mess of "innuendo and gossip,"  and am actual leaving out some o' the more colorful observations from the ruling.

so, why not sanctions? keep in mind more than a few state judges is elected and not for life as with fed appointments, but am not able to give you a good answer. is a few courts contorting themselves into knots avoiding sanctions, as with a detroit case a couple weeks previous where trump campaign lawyers overt lied 'bout affidavits. lies to court 'bout facts is kinda a guarantee o' sanctions and may result in criminal prosecution o' the offending lawyer. a few o' the withdrawn cases by trump and the kraken layers were no doubt withdrawn 'cause o' warnings o' sanctions. 

meritless is not same as frivolous and insane legal theories is not gonna get the sanction treatment. the texas case getting attention today is meritless as it posits an asinine theory o' standing which would complete unravel the court system as we know it, and am not indulging in hyperbole. however, heretofore "insane" legal theories has been adopted by the Court more than once. is nevertheless a grey area.

please keep in mind we has stated previous how rudy's equal protection silliness were insane 'cause o' the relief he were seeking and not necessarily 'cause o' the legal theory itself. underrepresented groups has for decades been trying to change discriminatory election laws based on equal protection theories-- almost universal fails. what made rudy claims preposterous were the relief he sought and as judge ultimate tailors relief, is unlikely gonna result in sanctions. can request relief o' 100 trillion dollars 'cause you claim to have found a partial denture in your wendy's frosty is nuts, but is not rule 11 fodder. 

absence o' any supporting facts will result in sanctions although absence o' facts at the time the lawsuit is filed ain't even enough to draw a judicial response. if lawyers may show they believed they would eventual have necessary facts to support their theories, they may avoid sanctions. the thing is, the kraken and trump campaign lawsuits has more than once drifted deep into the hunt sic dracones area o' the map. to provide nothing save the mere possibility o' fraud is not legit and should result in sanctions. "innuendo and gossip"? 

much o' what makes trump campaign lawsuits frivolous from a plain english reading o' rule 11 will be resulting in confusion. ask for stoopid relief or have a wacky legal theory won't necessarily make a lawsuit frivolous. however, attorneys knowing mislead 'bout facts should be a no-brainer for judges considering sanctions, and such has been the situation more than once post november 3. am admitted a bit confused even if am knowing threat o' sanctions no doubt killed more than a couple trump and kraken lawsuits which is why there were so many voluntary dismissals.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Malcador]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/529832-ppseudo-states-new-california-and-new-nevada-back-texas-lawsuit

God damn NCR.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

This is really the dumbest timeline.

[HoonDing]

Really at this point, why don't they just leave?

[Guard Dog]

Enough already. Make it stop. Make. It. Stop.

[Gromnir]

2 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

Enough already. Make it stop. Make. It. Stop.

won't stop until at least january 6, 2021. there will be a few loyalist trumpers in Congress who force a vote on the electoral college results. "few" is a sad understatement as 106 house republicans signed the amicus brief to the recent dismissed texas case... 106 who claimed trump lost 'cause of "unconstitutional ballots." 

we knew trump would burn everything w/i reach on his way out the door, but am admitted surprised just how many republicans has gone along with trump's autocratic rejection o' democracy. 

the media has done a disservice by underplaying the threat posed by trump's post election meltdown. a handful o' republican election officials and and a similar number o' judges were the difference. if even a few had chosen trump over the law...

isn't over. is mostly over and will be even closer to over after monday. nevertheless, the rough beast will vomit forth at least one more bit o' chaos and ignominy on january 6, 2021 as dozens o' US Congressmen repeat vacuous conspiracy theory and rail 'gainst democracy from the floor o' the senate and house.

four years ago we never woulda' imagined... never coulda' imagined trump would be the guy to come so close to destroying it all, and is not as if trump gone fixes everything neither.

edit

Sidney Powell’s secret witness ‘Spyder’ is an IT consultant. He told The Post he never worked in military intelligence.

Merritt formed his own firm, Cyberoptyx, in 2019. He said the company — which consists of himself and a handful of contractors — specializes in building “cyberinfrastructure” such as making websites and setting up servers. It also does 3-D printing.

...

a side career as an elections security expert might be even more lucrative than dancing. @ShadySands might wanna consider the possibilities.

HA! Good Fun!

Edited December 12, 2020 by Gromnir