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6 hours ago, Malcador said:

Was that the supreme court lawsuit?

If so, it got summarily dismissed by the court

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55283024

"The lawsuit, filed this week by the state of Texas, sought to invalidate results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

President-elect Joe Biden won all four.

The lawsuit was supported by 19 state attorneys general and 127 Republican members of Congress.

But the Supreme Court ruled on Friday that Texas did not have legal standing to bring the case, in a brief order rejecting the bid."

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@GromnirI don't remember who said that Trump would be the death of the GOP but they were right. They didn't just turn their backs on their own legacy, they dropped trou and shat on it after doing so. This country NEEDS a viable Republican party. Or something like it. Not this thoroughly ruined and discredited thing Trump is leaving us. The Texas AG is tweeting about an election that didn't go their way as a pretext to secession. Now, there IS some precedent for that... but over THIS election? This man is not worth the fight to keep him in office. Biden is not the Stalin we are afraid will come from the Democrats. Hell we have a 90% chance of divided government for at least two years. And if historical trends are followed there is a good chance for divided government all the way to 2024. Trump is gone, the government is split and a (hopefully) less activist court? That is a win. 

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7 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

Trump is gone, the government is split and a (hopefully) less activist court? That is a win. 

simplistic transactional thinking is exact what put us in this situation in the first place. how many republicans repeated dismissed the shortcomings and excesses o' trump 'cause keeping his base happy would win them reelection? divided government ain't a win once you consider the costs.

fox poll says 68% o' republicans believe the election were rigged and trump were robbed. if true that means more than 100 million americans believe the conspiracy theories?

Pro-Trump Pundits Diamond and Silk Tweet Cry for Military Intervention After Supreme Court Dashes Hopes for Election Overturn

as you noted, those ladies is hardly alone in their demands for solutions which four years ago woulda' been considered insane by near everybody and it is trump who inspired this?

the board trumpers is quiet for the moment, but you recall 'em talking 'bout the existential crisis biden and the democrats posed and am knowing gd on some level agreed with the assessment. this election fight IS an existential crisis and 2016 gd woulda' seen that fact more clear than does 2020 gd. the thing is, the election conspiracy theories is just the latest in a long line o' Constitutional violations and subversions o' democratic norms. we got here not in one giant post election leap. were a progression o' transactional decisions which made the next seeming unpalatable choice more acceptable by comparison.

oh, and the last four years is not a situation where democrats woulda been doing the exact same thing which am knowing some posters need convince self o' to legitimize their curious worldview. 

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No the Democrats would not have done exactly the same. It would be a different flavor of bad. What we have seen the last four years is something unusual and hopefully won’t happen again. But the Democrats are no saints. And they have been more than willing to overlook illegalities amongst their own to keep hold of power. It’s just a different color bear. As for your take on divided government all I will say is it’s far better than the alternative. Over the last 20 years bad things have come from united government.

In other news democrat congressmen and former presidential candidate Eric Slawell looks like he’s been f—king a Chinese spy for a while now.

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I have a hard time believing the Dems would have done the EXACT same thing, given Clinton lost to Trump in 2016 but had the popular vote. There was plenty of bluster and posturing back then, but nowhere near the drameh we are getting now.

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so mix metaphors o' bears, flavors and saints where gd embraces his they-are-all-bad security blanket and then immediate falls into a predictable pattern o' repeating unhinged conspiracy doggerel

1 hour ago, Guard Dog said:

In other news democrat congressmen and former presidential candidate Eric Slawell looks like he’s been f—king a Chinese spy for a while now.

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

has been no contact 'tween fang and swalwell for years. fang left the country in 2015. two midwestern mayors had sexual relations with fang, but is no mention o' swalwell. as such am thinking is safe to assume hasn't been any extra-marital hijinks 'tween swalwell and fang for at least five years.

is no doubt many chinese operatives current attending bay area and socal schools. if such folks manage to get close enough to politicians to learn which o' 'em is alcoholics, are having extramarital affairs or have financial problems, am not gonna pretend to be shocked. is unfortunate, but is kinda a cost o' a relative open society, no? as long as swalwell and others had sense enough not to share sensitive information with chinese, pakistani, or american students, am gonna write off this newest conspiracy as trump loyalists trying to create dirt on enemies with folks such as gd being all too willing to buy into the silliness.

fbi didn't find evidence swalwell shared sensitive info? where is the story? 'course multiple us intelligence agencies didn't manage to find dirt on joe biden and that didn't stop gd from indulging in those conspiracy theories either.

aside, as a student at berkeley in the mid/late 80s, we assumed a number o' the chinese national students in our department were "agents." in fact we dated a girl from china who spoke english at least as well as Gromnir. more than once we joked that she were probable a spy but that she were wasting her time with a physics undergrad and football player as the biggest secrets we knew were who were gonna be on the football team ir report before such stuff got published and could affect the vegas line. 

honest, for us the only odd thing 'bout the story were that fang were a student at the 80th ranked regional university in the west. our educational arrogance shines through, eh? assumed the spies were all at caltech, berkeley, ucla, stanford, etc. we also just kinda assumed most o' those student/spies were stem and were looking for tech info as posed to easily acquired dirt on local politicians.

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2 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

@GromnirI don't remember who said that Trump would be the death of the GOP but they were right. They didn't just turn their backs on their own legacy, they dropped trou and shat on it after doing so. This country NEEDS a viable Republican party. Or something like it. Not this thoroughly ruined and discredited thing Trump is leaving us. The Texas AG is tweeting about an election that didn't go their way as a pretext to secession. Now, there IS some precedent for that... but over THIS election? This man is not worth the fight to keep him in office. Biden is not the Stalin we are afraid will come from the Democrats. Hell we have a 90% chance of divided government for at least two years. And if historical trends are followed there is a good chance for divided government all the way to 2024. Trump is gone, the government is split and a (hopefully) less activist court? That is a win. 

I can see how it may appear this is the end of the Republican party as we know it but I am confident that this will not be case, the GOP will survive but once Trump is gone there needs to be some honest reflections on certain political decisions certain politicians made in support of Trump and the GOP will address this internally

You mustnt forget that Trump helped achieve core Republican objectives like tax breaks and the SC court placement. These do matter and people will remember this and continue to support the GOP which is the right thing to do because the bad things Trump did that caused major criticism is not enough to honestly destroy such a prestigious and historically important party 

Can you imagine if it was possible for a 4 year problematic president to really destroy any political party that has existed for over 150 years. If this somehow did occur it would be a travesty of justice and an idiosyncratic anomaly  around reforms that all parties have to make at times

But I do agree they will have to make some changes in there ranks and remove any extreme " Trump "  politicians that use to deny the virus and question the things like proven science in a vociferous way 

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4 hours ago, Gromnir said:

Pro-Trump Pundits Diamond and Silk Tweet Cry for Military Intervention After Supreme Court Dashes Hopes for Election Overturn

as you noted, those ladies is hardly alone in their demands for solutions which four years ago woulda' been considered insane by near everybody and it is trump who inspired this?

Four years ago one of the ladies on "The View" said that military could throw Trump out of WH. Also Sarah Silverman called for military coup and you could probably find others more or less famous celebs saying this things. Painting this as something only Trump supporters would say is a little pathetic coming from a Dem. You can list a whole lot of idiotic comments after 2016 Trump win. From Madonna blowing up the WH to Johnny Depp asking when was the last time actor shot a president. 

 

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7 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

They didn't just turn their backs on their own legacy, they dropped trou and shat on it after doing so.

Interesting take. "Trump as an unintended consequence" isn't exactly the same thing as "Trump as an accidental byproduct". I mean, this isn't news.

4 hours ago, BruceVC said:

I can see how it may appear this is the end of the Republican party as we know it but I am confident that this will not be case

Except it will be. The party isn't an monolith. It's *always* changing and each iteration is the "end of the Republican party as we know it".

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1 hour ago, Skarpen said:

 

Four years ago one of the ladies on "The View" said that military could throw Trump out of WH. Also Sarah Silverman called for military coup and you could probably find others more or less famous celebs saying this things. Painting this as something only Trump supporters would say is a little pathetic coming from a Dem. You can list a whole lot of idiotic comments after 2016 Trump win. From Madonna blowing up the WH to Johnny Depp asking when was the last time actor shot a president. 

 

you kinda missed the relevant part. no surprise. ain't just a couple o' loons on the arse end o' the internet or a celebrity who is doing interviews while drunk. we were responding to gd observation 'bout the texas ag. 

btw, all those celebs you mentioned were soundly criticized by fellow liberals and the media as a whole, although am not knowing "one of the ladies on the view" as a relevant example. sarah silverman, however, immediate walked back her comment and apologized. 

diamond and silk apologized? missed it. am sure you will share when it happens. also, unlike the celebs you mentioned, those two is gal pals o' the sitting President who has retweeted their nonsense ramblings on multiple occasions, so is perhaps not as analogous as you suggest.

those +100 congressman who supported the amicus brief for the recent dismissed scotus texas case has condemned diamond and silk? share it when it happens.

btw, trump still hasn't appealed his 3rd circuit appeal loss from two weeks previous.

trump appointee in a district court just posterized trump with the following admonishment:

"This is an extraordinary case. A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred. This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. In his reply brief, plaintiff "asks that the Rule of Law be followed." It has been."

dismissed with prejudice.

real republicans, a handful o' them in the courts and in positions o' authority in georgia and arizona, has shown they understand what it means to be governed by laws as 'posed to the tweet rants o' a petty would-be autocrat who managed to hijack his party w/o ever winning an election by popular vote. 

we also listened in on the wisconsin supreme court hearing today... arguably the most blatant republican Court majority in any state. when speaking o' judges, there is a big difference 'tween conservative and republican, and the majority o' wisconsin judges is republican. am admitting we were surprised when multiple judges called out trump efforts as racist--such is the first time we has heard a judge do so in one o' these election cases. didn't happen with detroit or philadelphia cases. jill karofsky, one o' the non-partisan judges on the court 'bout whom we knew almost nothing before today, were particular dismissive o' trump and his attorney, calling their efforts "unamerican" and blasting the unsubstantiated and general accusations o' fraud absent any meaningful offers o' proof. the overt republican judges o' the wisconsin supreme court were a bit more reserved in their criticism, but there is no mystery 'bout the future o' trump's last gasp efforts in wisconsin now that the court has adjourned. 

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12 hours ago, Gromnir said:

btw, all those celebs you mentioned were soundly criticized by fellow liberals and the media as a whole, although am not knowing "one of the ladies on the view" as a relevant example. sarah silverman, however, immediate walked back her comment and apologized. 

diamond and silk apologized? missed it. am sure you will share when it happens. also, unlike the celebs you mentioned, those two is gal pals o' the sitting President who has retweeted their nonsense ramblings on multiple occasions, so is perhaps not as analogous as you suggest.

those +100 congressman who supported the amicus brief for the recent dismissed scotus texas case has condemned diamond and silk? share it when it happens.

No, they weren't. They were applauded at the time by the media and liberal media. 
Did those celebs that spewed hateful nonsense for the past 4 years apologized? Maybe two on a dozen. Did Nancy Clinton or Pelosi appologized for Madonna comment or dozens of other comments? Since when this is even required? Oh, right because it's Republicans and not Democrats.

As always you will do any mental somersault to explain that Dems doing something is perfectly ok and Republicans doing the exact same thing is reprehensible and evil to the core. As said before, pathethic. 

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25 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

No, they weren't. They were applauded at the time by the media and liberal media. 
Did those celebs that spewed hateful nonsense for the past 4 years apologized? Maybe two on a dozen. Did Nancy Clinton or Pelosi appologized for Madonna comment or dozens of other comments? Since when this is even required? Oh, right because it's Republicans and not Democrats.

As always you will do any mental somersault to explain that Dems doing something is perfectly ok and Republicans doing the exact same thing is reprehensible and evil to the core. As said before, pathethic. 

You seem to mix things. But that is usually what whataboutism is based on

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@Gromnir you were right, I misunderstood. Salwell was not f-----g her. Some pols in Ohio were. My mistake. They are definitely connected though and not tenuously. She had definite access to him and his inner circle. The FBI were on to her and she fled in 2015. She was also connected to Tulsi Gabbard and Rho Kanna but those connections appear to have been a WIP before she bolted. 

 

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Speaking of Tulsi, what's the take on her trans girls in sports thing? It's not a issue I really know anything about but I was reminded of something I saw here some time ago about some female athlete that was intersex or maybe just had really high testosterone or something like that and some people didn't think that was fair.

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8 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

Speaking of Tulsi, what's the take on her trans girls in sports thing?

It tracks with the rest of her history on lbgt stuff and shouldn't be surprising unless you bought into some hype.

11 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

some female athlete that was intersex or maybe just had really high testosterone or something like that and some people didn't think that was fair.

You mean Caster Semenya? There was a rule change requiring athletes competing in 400m to 1500m races with disorders of sex development to take medication to lower testosterone. Given the narrow scope of the requirements, it was alleged that the rule was specifically aimed at Semenya.

In other news Proud Boys vandalized a couple of black churches in DC and their leader was invited by Trump to tour the white house as a reward. Even with Trump's coup faltering, it looks like he's going to end up cultivating a right-wing street movement that will end up killing some people.

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9 minutes ago, KaineParker said:

You mean Caster Semenya? There was a rule change requiring athletes competing in 400m to 1500m races with disorders of sex development to take medication to lower testosterone. Given the narrow scope of the requirements, it was alleged that the rule was specifically aimed at Semenya.

Yeah, that sounds right. I couldn't remember her name.

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3 hours ago, KaineParker said:

In other news Proud Boys vandalized a couple of black churches in DC

Doesn't seem like a group that would vandalize a church. Ah sure they burned BLM sign in front of a church. Funny how even the definition of vandalism changes when it's a group leftis doesn't like.

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6 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

Doesn't seem like a group that would vandalize a church. Ah sure they burned BLM sign in front of a church. Funny how even the definition of vandalism changes when it's a group leftis doesn't like.

Yeah, they only lit stuff on fire in FRONT of the church. Totally reasonable behavior. Way to put KP in his place, Skarpie. :wowey:

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13 minutes ago, Hurlshot said:

Yeah, they only lit stuff on fire in FRONT of the church. Totally reasonable behavior. Way to put KP in his place, Skarpie. :wowey:

his comments has a tendency o' illuminating his own shortcomings.

burn a cross or nativity scene on the property o' the church? burn a blm sign on property o' the church? legal no difference as to question o' vandalism o' "the church." legal, the church is not just the building but the property and those permanent and temporary affixtures at the property.  however, skarp_one sees a fundamental difference... and am sad to admit he is likely correct as to why the proud boys, who went on their recent dc violence spree, saw burning of signage as ok. as such, if we ever question the hypocrisy o' the prod boys, we need only ask skarp_one to clarify the disconnect as he appears to have a finger on the pulse o' that notorious and abominable organization. 

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40 minutes ago, Hurlshot said:

Yeah, they only lit stuff on fire in FRONT of the church. Totally reasonable behavior. Way to put KP in his place, Skarpie. :wowey:

And where did I say anything like that? It seems you guys always see more in my posts then what I write in them. Paranoid much?

I only pointed that what he said is not true. Burning a terrorist group sign is not vandalism and looting a store is not peaceful protesting. 

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9 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

Burning a terrorist group sign is not vandalism. 

@everybody

never listen to skarpen_one when law is at issue. enter real property to take physical property which does not belong to you and then destroy it will be considered, at the very least, vandalism in every US jurisdiction known to us. 

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I guess if Putin can't have his own pet president, he figured he would need a back door...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55265442

 

The US has issued an emergency order after revealing that its treasury and commerce departments had been hacked.

All federal civilian agencies have been told to disconnect from SolarWinds, a computer network tool that is being exploited by "malicious actors".

The US has not publicly identified who is behind the attack.

The incident comes less than a week after cyber security firm FireEye disclosed that its hacking tools had been stolen in a breach.

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53 minutes ago, Gorth said:

I guess if Putin can't have his own pet president, he figured he would need a back door...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55265442

 

The US has issued an emergency order after revealing that its treasury and commerce departments had been hacked.

All federal civilian agencies have been told to disconnect from SolarWinds, a computer network tool that is being exploited by "malicious actors".

The US has not publicly identified who is behind the attack.

The incident comes less than a week after cyber security firm FireEye disclosed that its hacking tools had been stolen in a breach.

I like how everything is bled o to Russia. And here i thought they are near bankrupt globally impotent shadow of prior soviet block, yet they seem to be able to heavily influence the greatest country on the earth 😂

 

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