AndreaColombo Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) So my recent Sanguine Plate campaign made pretty clear how much Obsidian are keen on player feedback. I was/am very passionate about that armor, I requested it here and on Reddit, and next thing I know they're looking into it for a future DLC. While I'm still high on the state of elation this put me into, I thought, why not try this again? Allow me to present exhibit A, from this transcript of the 7th Q&A session with Josh Sawyer: You mentioned in a previous Q&A that a Priest and Paladin of Woedica will potentially be in the game. Have you come to a decision on this? You mentioned previously that you were going to check the design notes JS: Unfortunately, no. I wouldn't say that we would not add that in the future, but when we looked at all the stuff that was necessary to go into implementing those Woedican classes, and all the work that we had to do for the rest of the stuff, we just said like, you know what, we have more than enough work, let's just settle down for now and focus on the other stuff. It does make sense, though, like having a Priest of Woedica or a Steel Garrote Paladin as a player character class is something that makes sense, it seems like a cool inclusion, but there's so much stuff to do that we had to pass on it. Since the game's release, nothing more's been said on these classes—and now that the Beast of Winter is about to be released, I believe we ought to let Obsidian know we still wish we could have them (provided that's the case) if we're to have any hope it'll happen. So who's with me? Who else would like the Priest of Woedica and Steel Garrote Paladin subclasses to become available to the Watcher with all due in-game reactivity? Edited July 30, 2018 by AndreaColombo 8 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Vitalis Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) More choices are always great, let's just hope Obsidian doesn't go the Todd Howard route. Edited July 29, 2018 by Vitalis 2
Boeroer Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Me! The Spiritual Fists for the Woedican Priest are already enough to make my mouth so watery that I can only wipe it dry with a charsheet of a playable version of a Priest of Woedica! Edited July 29, 2018 by Boeroer 2 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
1TTFFSSE Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 Priest of Woedica is really nice with any build around monastic unarmed training or with monk. 2
Big-Ben Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 I'm down for specialized positions I just wonder at what point it's worth it from a role playing or simple playing perspective. I mean I like playing as a Mindstalker because that's my jive folks but I'm unsure if making things more complex is always good. Yes! We have no bananas.
Vitalis Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 I'm down for specialized positions I just wonder at what point it's worth it from a role playing or simple playing perspective. I mean I like playing as a Mindstalker because that's my jive folks but I'm unsure if making things more complex is always good. Todd Howard has arrived, quickly throw him off a cliff! 4
Tick Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 *If it doesn't kill them to do it, * it would be a fantastic touch - especially with reactivity. I suspect a lot of what would make it so much work is reactivity, though. 1
Heijoushin Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Yeah, totally with you! I'd really like to see all the priesthoods and a wider range of paladin beliefs. They're pumping out so much DLC lately that surely it's a possibility? 1
anathanielh Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 I hope both of those subclasses are centered around choking people to death.
Gregorovich Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 I've seen a mod opening these subclasses on nexus, but with story - that would be greater! 1
Boeroer Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Steel Garrotte Paladins should get bonuses when using chokepoints... 5 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Boeroer Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 @AndreaColombo: please change the title to "Priest of Woedica and Steel Garrote as playable classes: DO IT!" 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
AndreaColombo Posted July 30, 2018 Author Posted July 30, 2018 Done it 1 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Boeroer Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 ROFL - I wasn't serious, but hell why not? Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
AndreaColombo Posted July 30, 2018 Author Posted July 30, 2018 Because fun :D 2 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
DozingDragon Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Does anyone have a list of the number of times each Paladin order or Priesthood comes up during interactions in Deadfire? If the concern is the amount of work to make sure there is parity with the other options in terms of interactions, it would be interesting to see what the scope for implementation would be. Of course, I don’t see what’s stopping the developers from making those classes available for custom adventurers in the next major patch after 2.0. Plus, players that made certain choices during the end of PoE could justifiably receive a discount for recruiting such custom adventurers.
AndreaColombo Posted July 30, 2018 Author Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Does anyone have a list of the number of times each Paladin order or Priesthood comes up during interactions in Deadfire? I think this should do. I'd expect a Watcher who belongs to the Steel Garrote or Priesthood of Woedica to have special interactions with the goddess herself when summoned by Berath, as well as with other members of the Priesthood/Paladinhood when they meet (possibly leading to a different path to the quest's resolution.) Edited July 30, 2018 by AndreaColombo "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
AndreaColombo Posted July 30, 2018 Author Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Let's whet people's appetite in case they didn't know these classes are actually already in the game. It's worth noting that none of these class-specific abilities has a description, so providing these options to the player would also require that they be written. The ability "Garrote" effectively replaces Lay on Hands, but it would make sense for it to have its own separate, unique icon. Steel Garrote Priest of Woedica It's also worth noting that the Writ of Sorcery is possibly too powerful for a PL VII spell if given to the player—and I say that against the best interest of my inner powergamer. It would probably make sense to swap it with the Writ of Mending, which is currently PL IX, so that only pure-class Priests of Woedica could get it. Edited July 30, 2018 by AndreaColombo 5 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
kilay Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) I'm agree with the purpose of the post so +1Just note that with a mod we can already use the hidden classes and those are available with no issues , but for sure if the OBS would add them officially to the game they will be able to add much more than modders https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity2/mods/44 Here a more updated version with some missing description strings added (also ITA) https://mega.nz/#!yh5H2L7C!-3Qs1QdQqQhUk6n2-S37DNgGOATns-cMkxufuQtMICU credits to Balkoth56 Edited July 30, 2018 by kilay 2 Random Reader'Plinio il Vecchio asseriva che un rimedio alla sbronza fosse quello di mangiare uova crude di gufo' I° secolo D.C. My Mods on Nexus Nexus Mods Translated to Italian Italian Localization Fix PATCH More Custom AI Conditions Enhanced UI - Afflictions and Inspirations Extended Spell TT1 Unique Items More Priest Subclasses_Ondra Hylea Abydon Channeler Cipher Subclass Are you looking for a group of modders ?Request an invite to our Slack group Do you need a mod? Fill this mod request
DozingDragon Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Does anyone have a list of the number of times each Paladin order or Priesthood comes up during interactions in Deadfire? I think this should do. I'd expect a Watcher who belongs to the Steel Garrote or Priesthood of Woedica to have special interactions with the goddess herself when summoned by Berath, as well as with other members of the Priesthood/Paladinhood when they meet (possibly leading to a different path to the quest's resolution.) Great. So the minimum numbers are three for paladins (Kind Wayfarer, unless you count the one that’s already in there for the Steel Garrote), and six for priests (Skaen). I also don’t see why there couldn’t be overlap between Steel Garrote and Priest of Woedica interactions due to their mutual connection with Woedica. So hypothetically, for full interactivity on par with the base game, the developers could conceivably get away with six shared interactions for both subclasses. Add in writing descriptions for the class abilities, a few passes on the dialogue, QA, and piggybacking in the VO sessions for DLC 2 or DLC 3, and it seems pretty doable, especially if there is a nice overlapping hook with Woedica in DLC 2 or DLC 3. 1
rjshae Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Perhaps they will in PoE3: Woedica's Revenge! 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
Vitalis Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Perhaps they will in PoE3: Woedica's Revenge! Pillars of Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Eothas Strikes Back Pillars of Eternity 3: Woedican Boogaloo I'll see myself out.
anathanielh Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Perhaps they will in PoE3: Woedica's Revenge!Pillars of Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Eothas Strikes Back Pillars of Eternity 3: Woedican Boogaloo I'll see myself out. Gotta have a PoE4: Revengeance 1
asnjas Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 No thanks So many classes only have 3 kit options like rogue and ranger I feel they are more deserving of extra love. Priest and Paladin already get 5 options if I'm not mistaken.
Heijoushin Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 No thanks So many classes only have 3 kit options like rogue and ranger I feel they are more deserving of extra love. Priest and Paladin already get 5 options if I'm not mistaken. I get what you mean, but priest and paladin subclassses (and monks I guess) tend to define a character a lot more than the other classes. You can build a whole roleplaying experience on their beliefs. 1
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