DarthNihilus

@Eduardo IN normal game there are things cut from the Xbox version: 1.HK planet 2.HK factory 3.several quests bugged as in can`t be completed *4.some interesting content cut from the ending(no idea if Xbox has a different ending but I don`t care anyway) - this is PC ONLY..a different ending would`ve been better than the dull endings we saw - this is not different from te PC version but more of a .. rushed work And I meant HK factory INGAME not imported modules from XboX

I`m sure I saw somewhere a line like "You are a blind spot in teh Force" Also it is known(damn forgot why ) that where he travel he makes force sensitives blind Nvm..I won`t reply until I finish for the 5th time the game and take some notes to see the whole picture Given certain personal issues will take some time... BUT... *heavy Austrian accent* "I`ll be back!..."

The Exile is a weapon! Gosh took long to realize... Let me explain: The Exile is a blind spot in the Force. Wherever he goes he blinds any Force Sensitive. As a result he makes them not capable to use the Force(they can`t sense anything while he`s around if I got it right-may be mistaken). As a result they are reduced to mere humans(non-sensitives)..all this while the Exile STILL be able to use the Force at its full potential(doesn`t really matter if he uses it normally or by feeding on excess Force or on the Force itself). Eventually he will act as a "mobile Malachor 5" if I may say so wherever he will go (any Jedi or Sith will not see him coming but instead be blind...) Can be expanded but that`s the main idea...I just got this crazy idea and need time to think it over

Revan is to blame for MAlachor V...the Exile carried an order by creating a weapon of mass-destruction and detonating it. Revan used Malachor to kill or break the Jedis NOT the Mandalorians...strange is he let the Exile live,because Revan`t belief was that a Jedi in teh past or in the present can change the Galaxy No no, the Exile is an hole in the force and he chose to be that, after his process of th enlightment he demonstrate that is it possible to be complete as a man, even whitout the force to sustain him. THis can`t be right.He either feels THE Force the NORMAL way or the NIHILUS way..no other 3rd choice or anything... I said in an earlier post that he is not sensing The Force..you said he does...now you say he doesn`t... That`s not the point about being a man...if she really wanted the Force dead she would`ve drained Exile to death and commit Suicide I believe some of Kreia`s lines are to be read carefully as some of them are semi-lies/manipulations EDIT: Gosh I need to learn to use `em quotations right I`ll debate a bit the way The Exile uses the Force because we have something that doesn`t fit in the story... Atris: "The Force was stripped from her and torn from you".Let`s analyse this: The Exile is known for creating bonds not only with his masters but always with many of the persons below him(probably soldiers,crew,Jedis,etc). It is SURE because Revan said it to HK and also said that bonding like that eventually will lead to his downfall. Malachor 5 was the trigger or motive for what was to come(to create soldiers for Revan`s Army)...also HK states that those Jedis and soldiers dead at M5 weren`t Revan`s strongest supporters and he was "cleaning house" The Exile carried the plan and detonated whatever weapon of mass destruction BAo-Dur made(possibly lost the Force as Exile did? since he can be trained). So we have a guy who`s power was TORN from him in a way and he had only one choice really...to live without it. Cutting himself from the Force can mean that he chose to do not listen all that was alive at M5 and their screams in their agonizing moments(possible reason) Correlated with Kreia`s words that he is a "Wound" in the Force(you can`t use it as you were supposed to do and STILL be a wound) we can assume he doesn`t feel the Force anymore naturally "flowing through him" but rather the NIhilus way...NO OTHER WAY to feel the Force He is the wound because HIS CHOICE created the echo that deafened a whole Galaxy AND fulfilled Revan`s final piece in his plan against the Jedis. Also I strongly believe the Exile blinds any Force Sensitive because he more or less has the same graveyard in him as Nihilus has(scars of many deaths...remnant marks..you know ) In the end we have the Betrayer(Kreia) teaching the Exile to USE that "Force", to betray, to have him make the RIGHT decisions in order that a new Malachor 5 to be avoided AND to make him a teacher of teh REAL use of the Force which is neither Jedi or Sith...and eventually a smaller Revan if we can call him that way since he will have his padawans and reshape the Galaxy(bringing stability for the Republic or destabilizing it - his choice) I base the above on the never used content as well(Telos Fuel quest should be completed,assasin factory will be destroyed,all sidekicks will survive M5 except Atton..maybe even him if there were a choice to save him..or not?) Also Kreia is using him to kill HER betrayers AND she`s teaching him the importance of CHOICE I disagree with the "complete man" thingie since you can be complete without using the Force and it`s more or less philosophically... we are talking about Kreia`s plan not philosophy It`s all about making the right choice..creating the right echo...use the right trigger that Kreia is teaching him...and to feel the "Force" again the Nihilus way

PC version has LESS content than Xbox

HK 47 gives 2 sets of skills: 1. Bonus to Experience,Constitution,Reflex and Saving Throws 2. (Greater Understanding of Mandalorian Wars event) Experience bonus,Wisdon and Force(these I guess are +1) Haven`t had teh will or means to measure the bonuses Certain is you get 2000 exp points and the above stats increase

1.Gain influence with HK 47 and he`ll tell you intersting things 2.Kreia will tell something about him 3.One cut scene will tell some 4.Final talk with Kreia will reveal some more just to mention a few

Go to the place called "Space shuttle" or something...the place you left in the first place Just go ahead and you will leave that place

The Star Forge which is the ONLY cloning facility we know of(even in KOtor 2 at the scene of RAvager`s attack on Telos we can see in the backround Leviathans which I assume were hit vessels at Malachor 5 and left to drift and Nihilus comisioned them as he did with Ravager) BUT..at one point on the Star Forge(where one Sith soldier says to MAlak that Revan is on teh Star Forge) Malak mentiones about capturing REvan to clone him At NO POINT in Kotor 1 it is said that either Malak or Revan were cloned and the Star Forge IS the only cloning facility we know of Furthermore...LS Revan destryed the SF, and DS Revan used it but I`m sure he would`ve been happy to have BAstila as apprentice and NOT have an army of equally powerful Revans who may think to challenge him...one explosion I believe it was enough for him And what you say it MUST be because you were waaay too high on something

OFFTOPIC: We can assume Revan is gone to find that Sith`ary ... And Exile has the KNOWLEDGE and the Power of the Force since after he defeats Kreia "His training is complete" Although I don`t remember that she taught him that drain she used so sweet on the 3 Jedi Masters on Dantooine

OMG I`m stoopid I`ll try

HK factory was cut from PC version so no assasin rifle Also you can`t unlock the Security Console even if you have enough influence with HK to tell you who was his master ...or at least that happened to me

You HAVE to be level 15 AND VERY decided on the Side you are(Light or Dark meter reasonably high/low)...talk to Kreia and you get to choose

...and also T3 eventualy you can meditate with him...never tested tho` as the last thing in a battle I need to pray on the droid`s...photoreceptor unit muahaha

"But she is unseated when Darth Nihilus (who is either a man who completely mastered this technique or a spectre who is the embodiment of it, people are still wondering about this)" Visas says she saw "a graveyard" thus we may assume he WAS a human being originated at Malachor 5 and now more of a specter who feeds on souls and the very LIFE ... IMO

Kreia IS the best character in the game... HK is my personal favourite..everytime he starts talking it cracks me up Women...I`m a sucker for dames,what can I say? Bao-Dur is nice Mandalore is a classic Atton..intriguing T3 faithful as always GoTo - he wants his bussiness back Nice NPCs overall...better than KoToR 1 overall and I`m not so light when in comes to critising...I HATE a lot of things about this game but the above ones are not in that list

NO mix no edit..fresh reply on the other thingie

..and the answer...I decided to make a new one As I see it Kreia wanted to create a Champion...a NEW breed among the Force users...let me explain before you all flame me We have a clear differentiation..Jedi and Sith...Jedi have their code(Peace-Knowledge-Serenity-Harmony-Force) and Sith theirs(Passion-Strenght-Power-Vicory-Chains are broken). So..Jedi use peace of mind while Sith use feelings to "fuel" the Force/Power Now...Jedis are flawed because of their teachings and because of how they use it. Sith are flawed as well since they desire complete supremacy. Kreia saw that and saw that too many Jedis BECAUSE of the flawed Code ignored the will of the Council(who was too arrogant and egocentristic to be perfect and also those 2 before are the way to the Dark Side) and left to fight alongside Revan or joined the Sith. Now we have ALL Jedi Champions(Revan,Malak,Exile,Bastila just to name a few and widely known) who go and fight in the Mandalorian wars(not Bastila but she will join Revan anyway)..ALL the best of the Jedi students...the best of all that Jedis had to offer...and ALL fall so utterly. THus the TEACHING MUST have been flawed. Kreia saw that and because of her position as Librarian she could document further and eventually questioned the Council which instead of looking where is the flaw they decided to exile her(very common decision for a Council that was supposed to be impartial and look for the greater good);now..the Council`s decision was the worst possible one since IF they would`ve revised their Code/way instead of exiling all that weren`t in agreement with it/the "might" of the Jedi Council many Jedis would`ve been saved. Kreia goes in search for the knowledge since she is somewhat a explorer...she goes to the Sith where eventually she is stripped of her power. Revan returned to her for teaching right before he left for the Outer Rim and I suspect Revan too understood that neither Jedi or Sith way is the right one and gone to find the PERFECT Code. Kreia has too many issues from the past AND she can feel the Force no more ______________ Also after Malachor 5 there were a series of events: 1.Sion and Nihilus were created 2.Nihilus is on a killing spree across the Galaxy 3.Kreia is betrayed by Nihilus and Sion thus: ANY event that was created on Malachor 5 must be destroyed/counteracted hence: 1.Sion must die - he was created by Malachor 5 and he betrayed Kreia 2.Nihilus must die - he was created at Malachor 5 and betrayed Kreia AND he feeds on anything that is alive 3.KREIA must die - she was Revan`s Master,Revan started Malachor 5(The General - Exile was following Revan`s plan which HK says it was to "clean house") 4.Atris must NOT train padawans since she is DS for a long time but she doesn`t know it 5.The Council members who exiled the General MUST die because they are DS as well(Jedi way is to forgive not exile the ones that commit mistakes and show them the right/good way) So The Exile is Kreia`s Champion used to fulfill her wishes. He is unique,he regained his full Force(yes after careful thinking I agree he reestablished his connection with the Force since he is the ONLY one who separated from it voluntarily) and he MUST be the one who will bring balance to the Force This contradicts what Kreia said that "she wants the Force dead" but... 1.Kreia emphasises on CHOICE...she teaches the Exile how to make the RIGHT choices regardless of the dogma(Jedi or Sith)...the choices that are most beneficial to the Force 2.She is teaching him to be a second Revan or more powerful SIDENOTE:When she says about the Exile "When I see you is like staring at the death of the Force" it`s possible that she sees the scars MAlachor 5 did to him..that seems to be correlated to Visas`s saying "I saw your hurted soul" or something(if anyone has the right line please PM me) 3.She is teaching him to BEND Force`s WILL(Kreia: "A dead spot in teh Force.Apoint in which its will may be denied") and ultimately she teaches him to follow Revan`s search for the ultimate truth or in his crusade against or for the "True Sith" (Kreia: "He shall need warriors.Jedi or Sith.Perhaps you should go and help him")...The Leader and The General once again united... EDIT:I believe she is tryig to unite Sith and Jedi under a new Code,one Code that would TRULY represent the Force;she wanted to be a pioneer,and a Galaxy saver by negating what Malachor 5 brought..chaos and extinction of all Jedis All she did was to be a worthy Master to a padawan(Exile) and strenghten him to what he has to confront/fight/face

Ah c`mon... can`t have a RPG that is all hack `n slash and no thinkin` isn`t it? We have 2 doctrines/dogmas/ideas..Jedi and Sith What was questioned was speculation about Kreia`s past(I couldn`t argue but to explain the reasons as well...) Also there is a thread about Kreia`s goal as well We can`t name us SW fans or KoToR fans if we don`t debate or at least question the why`s and if`s...

Ummm..mine is a muscle full guy(Guardian/Weaponmaster) with enough brain to keep Force Lightning on a whole Academy..although I LOVE my sword(always single hilt one saber only) I bring balance and have LS Mastery..that doesn`t mean I`ll try to teach a Gand that what he`s doing is wrong...I`ll just cut his sorry a$$ in half and move on thinking that him dead is as good as him made seen the light I like to live by the saber(cool animations) Jedi Code to THE END!!! ... a bit modified to suit my needs of course

Revan and Bastila And Carth as Cameo cleaning stables...HOW did he get to be an Admiral anyway!?

from HK you get VERY nice skills..all you have to do is get enough influence

The Echani way is through battle...by fighting with her and she underfighting(letting you beat her) says much Visas loved you from the moment she felt you through the Force..she even forsaken her master and willing to sacrifice herself for you Kreia..."I would kill a Galaxy for you" more or less and "Oh Boy!" she can Bao-Dur was very attached to you and even killed a whole planet for you - very charismatic "General" indeed...Revanlike Atton seeks redemption and what better way than be a Jedi assasin to defend a Jedi? Mira,being Bounty-Hunter was the only thing she knew..WAR,FIGHTING...as soon as she could she left that forsaken planet for a Jedi(Jedis are still handsome good lookin` eh? ) HK-47...wants just to get off the ship .. lucky T3 T3...good droid who knows nothing else than to serve and suffering by Revan`s loss(it needs a memory wipe) GoTo..wants his bussiness done and it can`t be done in a boiling Galaxy _____________ Disciple and Hanharr don`t know and don`t care since I`ll never have them 2 with me because I play ONLY male and hate wookies

Nihilus is a VERY COOL character..prolly the best thought Boss..mystic and talk all gibberish and all I don`t have in me the dark taint I guess..that doesn`t mean I can`t hide under a mask isn`t it?

Mainly you are right however there can be a different approach She tried to explain to herself the Jedi Code and since she was Jedi Librarian she had access to many sources. At a point she found the Jedi Code(hence the very thing that tries to explain the Force) incomplete or not accurate. She goes and tell the Council that the Code and implied the teaching that it brings is flawed(also we may have a reason why so many Jedis gone to wars against Council`s will AND so many joing Sith). Jedi Council as we know them arrogant(since they believe they have the ULTIMATE wisdom) and so overconfident(since they punished the Exile and/or others "in absentia" as they did to Revan and Malak) casted Kreia out; SIDENOTE: arrogance,over-confidency, strong-minded(as they said Bastila was in kotor1) are themselves the path to The Dark Side and will be debated shortly Kreia after the decision had little to do and hence she joined the Sith and followed the Sith Way. However,Jedi and Sith are more like White and Black..Jedis proclaim peace of mind while Sith USES the mind`s passions(not too good at explaing but I`m sure you all know what I`m saying - Peace-Knowledge-Serenity-Harmony-Force VS. Passion-Strenght-Power-Victory-Chains Broken). In my oppinion Kreia is looking for the ultimate Code of the Force which is neither Jedi`s not Sith`s Code...it`s somewhere in between and based on what and how any believes/feels NOT some stiff lines which are to be followed line by line She had Revan as apprentice(I believe she was his first master and last). Revan`s way and her`s are one in a larger way ... Revan was looking for the same thing..ULTIMATE understanding of the Force. Also I believe she was neither LS or DS EVER...she kept RIGHT at the middle because I live with the impression that the first motive for her joing the Jedis was to UNDERSTAND teh Force and quickly realised that Jedis don`t have the Code to explain it or the means to since they are too arrogant to. Also as Sith Lord she looked to SEE the Force through Sith`s eyes...and I believe even then she was nothing more Dark than she was light(possible reason why she was defeated so easily by Nihilus who at least was dedicated to DS?) Once she loses connection to the Force she starts looking for the Exile who has the power to become the GREATEST of the post-Malachor Force users(because of his decision) and make him what she never was. Her past is a big "what if" in a way. She is tormented by her past and CANNOT set it aside That`s why she makes in such a way that Exile`s past is set aside/resolved: 1.The Council that exiled him for HIS choice and because THEY believed it was wrong when ALL their champions(Revan,Malak,Exile,Bastila(Battle Meditation - hint)) believed was RIGHT 2.Atris which loved him and a DS user now(she never had any padawan - possibly because she was too scared that her`s will become fallen Jedi/Sith?) 3.Nihilus and Sion because they were CREATED at Malachor 5 by BAo-Dur`s exploding thingie and General`s order 4.KREIA because she was Revan`s master and Revan lead the Malachor fight(lead=lead to/his DECISION thus CHOICE made Malachor 5 happen in the first place) So Kreia NEVER had a clear mind..she always searched for that illusive PERFECT Code which eventually led to the Dark Side or lost way. She NEEDS a Champion.. one that would UNDERSTAND the Force(no better one than one who cut himself from it and managed to survive) and one who can make the right CHOICE(since she teached you the RIGHT way to make a CHOICE without disrupting the Force). We can safely assume(don`t even dare to contradict me here Zilod that she feels the Force the Nihilus way since her Force was stripped from her thus she must die if balance is to be reestablished). Based on above I will make a diagram of possible plausible events: 1.Kreia is tormented by questions about the Force even from early times 2.She joins the Jedis in search to understand it 3.She sees the attrocities that the Force can do and the Jedis fall more often than they should from the Code`s point of view 4.She begins to question the Code as Librarian - path to the Dark Side as the Jedis say 5.She is judged and probably exiled 6.She joins the Sith by lack of choice 7.She is stripped by her Power Actually what she does with Atris(triggering the Dark Side in her through Handmaiden`s "betrayal") can be generalised on teh Jedi Masters because they are at least arrogant and that is dark side feeling thus ALL Jedis are flawed..thus the very TEACHING is wrong. There is no white or black..there is grey and the truth is neither Jedi nor Sith... Revan saw that and he left in search for it...Exile is Kreia`s Champion in search for it as well..she knows it and she`s willing to commit the greatest sacrifice of all to teach a BALANCE BRINGER My 2 cents..I`ve been erratic to the end I know...lucky for me Zilod will underline that and I`ll be back on track Also Zilod..consider it as response to the other thread please..I can`t write one equally long there