DarthNihilus

If it helps you I NEVER took HK or GoTo with me unless needed to gain influence with them based on previous known places that will suit their...bloodthirsty needs My party was me(Guardian/Weaponmaster),Handmaiden Jedi(Jedi Guardian hugely powerful)(Light Mastery ) and Kreia(for influence) Rest could`ve been useless unless for their backstory AND to turn them Jedi of course On Dxun I sent Bao-Dur,HAndmaiden and Mira all 3 Jedis all mastery and kept Visas,Kreia and myself for palace NPC`s are all about backstory so don`t feel bad Especially Bao-Dur who can`t be talked to BUT he looks awesome as DS(too bad I can`t play DS but once when I GOT to do it) Happy now? U made me cry for all the atrocities I did as a DS-er Imagine the HORROR,the PAIN to kill that Queen and to let a bunch of Mercs overrun Khoonda...ATROCIOUS!

I heard that you get a PAcifist Package for HK...I`ll try this current game to get it and see if once installed will swith his side from Light to Dark I can`t play DS...played once to see the possibilities and see the stories I missed but it just isn`t me

Ah..my mortal enemy strikes again And yes I WILL reply on that topic about Kreia`s plan... Back to subject..let`s analyze the facts as I don`t trust Chronicles too much 1.Kreia is originally a Jedi and known to her flawed teaching..or perhaps HER teachings were TRUTH and Jedi Code and way was flawed 2.All her padawans other die on Malachor or go to Sith 3.Her last padawan/apprentice was Revan 4.Revan goes from Korriban to Malachor 5 based on the last memory recover he had... 5.From Malachor 5 Revan goes to Outer-Rim to meet/search the "True Sith" 6.Kreia goes to Malachor 5 to retrace Revan`s path (hypotetically - still best situation from logic point of view) 7.She gets corrupted by MAlachor`s evil(Academy was built on the planet that had been known for connections with ancient Sith Masters/teaching/ full of Dark Side) 8.She gets to train Sion and Nihilus 9.She is stripped of her power/Force(?) 10.She begins her search for Revan Hyphotetisis: 11.She finds the Ebon Hawk and NOT Revan 12.She meets Sith Forces who open fire(given that Ebon Hawk is a "Smuggler Vessel class" which has the speed as his strong point and not the hull we can assume the Force wasn`t much..prolly a armed freighter or a Destroyer at best) 13.we still don`t know HOW The Exile ends up on The Ebon Hawk tho` from his room on the Harbinger ____________ So... 1.She turns to the Dark Side in an effort to know thhe OTHER teachings/ways 2.She acheives mastery e.g. Sith Lord 3.Probably right after the Mandalorian Wars 4.Revan leaves she is challenged in the Sith Way by Nihilus and Sion who allies with Nihilus agaist the common threat: Kreia,the Sith LOrd 5.She learns betrayal and goes to look for the Last known Jedi(the former General at Malachor 5) Technically her fall begun when she questioned for the first time the Jedi Code and started in her search for the knowledge Practically maybe she was right and THE JEDI CODE was flawed More or less her path to the Dark Side was set and was a matter of time until she gone from Jedi Master to Sith Lord(she WAS Master since she had padawans and acknowledged by other Masters) She never tried to search Revan because in her current state she would`ve been a sure target for anyone since she knew ONLY to rely on the Force NOT to survive without it So she seeks revenge hence look for Exile And I wrote enough..will writre more after your reply

I ALWAYS use one lightsaber and played Guardian/Weaponmaster and 2nd Sith Marauder I`ll try now Master... So for the Sith Marauder here`s my saber: 17-45 raw Critical Threat: 19-20,x2 +3-30 equipped 45-87 did quite close to 160+ hits with Master Flurry and one time I did 212 I won`t use 2 sabers...now I`ll try a huge doublebladed saber with a lvl 9 personal crystal ... still undecided if to play Jedi Master or the usual Weaponmaster I like to see them duel that`s all...by the time I have master Force Lightning I have force points as much as HP usually EDIT:I haven`t had the personal crystal fully levelled as well... I`ll try hard this game As I remember I had personal crystal,Qxigoni thingie and another crystal + expert fencing,ultimate cell and forgot what lens...and my only save left is at the final battle so I`m afraid I can`t tell for sure

I have the same problem with HAndmaiden and she has mastery as I do and savegame editor says I have 100 influence..wtill fail the "What do you think of Atris" question..NOT that "What did Atris say about me" Weird...I guess your problem with Atton may be in the same situation..either material cut OR really short testing time

We can assume that The Ravager was some sort of flagship OR a symbol of some sort we never got to know ingame or I was too blind to... The patch should have the missing HK factory AND all the content that was cut(HK hints to the fact that he can unlock the Security panel on Ebon Hawk but for a strange reason AFTER you get to make him tell who was his original master he still "doesn`t know" who he was when asked to mimic his voice - smells like cut stuff) Also fix what it should`ve been(I suspect that at M5 there should`ve been quests for every character not only Mira) and also the ending with all the NPC`s and do something with the lag on Dantooine

HK will tell you who was his original master(not that you don`t know) but more importantly he will tell WHAT he has done in the time between kotor 1 and 2 and THAT is the REASON you MUST gain influence with HK

Ummm...Force Crush affects only one enemy at a time while Force Lightning affects a bit more Imagine a guy in the Trayus Academy who would use Lightning AND be DS ... total ownage!

Where exactly is that place on Na-Shaddaar? I was able to tell Mira about the vision and offer to take her there, but we were on the Ebon Hawk at the time so I figured I'd have to return to Na-Shaddaar first. However, I truthfully cannot recall where on earth my character was when she saw Kreia's vision... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The exact place would be close to the pit in NAr Shadaa...just have Mira in your party(ideally only her) and run as close to the pit as possible and doing a circle lol...eventually will trigger a conversation with Mira and after u`ll have a Jedi Mira As dar as I remember should happen somewhere in front of the Cantina entrance(NOT The cantina itself but the door that leads to the entertainment area)..may be mistaken tho`

Nop I tested it I sent Handmaiden,Bao-Dur and Mira there(had all of NPCs Jedi so I had one extra even lol). There are 2 dark side pits and one dark side event(final 3 DArk Jedis) Now..I had Handmaiden on one pit and Bao-Dur on another...later when I spoke to them ONLY Handmaiden and Bao-Dur had the line "Anything happened on Dxun? You look different" or something... Mira HAVEN`T... which states that ANY member that touches the dark side pits gains bonus NOT only the leader

Regardless of your side(light or dark) you CAN transform all NPC`s(HAndmaiden/Disciple,Bao-Dur,Atton,Mira/(no idea if Hanharr too)) in Jedis given that you have enough influence on them

Mira joins you on Nar-Shadaa if you are LS or neutral(a bit more to LS tho` - can`t tell for sure since I was VERY "glowy" at that time and by teh time I played DS I kept neutral with a bit of LS extra just to be safe and not end up with the Flea-bag)

The guy with horns is BAo-Dur basically a LS guy in his heart..and he`s the only one who hasn`t got dialogue..he`s DEPENDANT to taking him in your party Although for a LS guy Bao-Dur can be trained first actually...all you have to do is take him with you(ONLY him) on NAr-Shadaa to the guy who is harassed by the 2 Exchange thugs ... Also he triggers a discussion with Mandalore later on and another one which is yours to discover I usually take Handmaiden with me(crazy powerful Jedi Guardian after "transformation" and Kreia since her Powers are great...and me always Guardian so can`t tell IF I missed any triggers or not) Mira and Handmaiden trigger a thingie in Naad`s tomb ... But I said too much already Atton can gain influence on echani line and by the time he meets the 2 twileks is ready to embrace the Force Mira through dialogue until she agrees to... Handmaiden..kick her arse x times and she will... And I don`t agree that influence sux...how else could you see their sinister DS faces? Also gaining influence with Kreia is rewarding...although probably HK tells more than the old witch

SPOILER!!! BAo-Dur can be turned on NAr-Shadaa in the event with the guy harassed by those 2 Exchange thugs for the money he owes...it is a MUST to be ONLY you and him(with Kreia and Atton triggers their lines) Mira after she says that u can show her take her with you and go where Kreia shown you to listen to Nar-Shadaa...just be you and her and wasder close to the central pit...it`ll trigger the thingie... And have Atton with you in refugee quarters when the 2 twileks show up and he will be trained as well ASSUMING you gained influence prior at least once(Echani incident in Atris Academy) and MIra through dialogue HOW you gain influence...you figure it out

Handmaiden,Bao-Dur,Atton,Mira,Disciple can be trained as Jedis given a high enough influence(played DS but kept neutral on Nar-Shadaa to take Mira since I can`t stand wookies so don`t know if Hanharr can be trained Jedi) Also high influence opens new dialogue lines(ESPECIALLY with Kreia`s..past) Also influence can be best compared by how close the light/dark bar of one NPC is close/far than your own Max infl. means NPC has mastery if you have

It should trigger a thingie with some text "These bodies look like they were killed with a lightsaber" and should give you automatically(may be mistaken) a datapad about Azgul The bodies are found behind teh Disciple in front of the statue on Dantooine Academy sub-level After that is triggered you should find Vrook in Crystal Cave in a prison force fielded and after you kill teh ppl that are guarding him you get to talk to him and also trigger meeting with Azgul outside Cave

Exile lost his natural Force or his born Force ability at Malachor 5..by choice yes but he cut at that time his bond with the Force Kreia lost her power when it was stripped from her by Nihilus Thus we can assume and I`m sure we are not far from truth that Exile and Kreia are using the Force the Nihilus way... I still don`t understand why Revan who had the plan in his head all along haven`t suffered the same "pain" as Exile whjo wasn`t the Supreme Leader, although I suspect Revan was already Sith when he lead the battle at Malachor 5 So..we have a guy who cut himself from the Force by free well...that doesn`t make him a wound since he couldn`t be found by Nihilus through Visas(that girl can sense anything that`s Force related) nor by his trained assasins to search a guy/girl through the Force...only AFTER he takes his first steps in feeling again he begins to be hunted(HK-50 found him by accident and AFTER he was discovered by the Republic - he was having diplomatic clearance on teh HArbinger) So..we have an exile(Kreia - former Sith Lord) teaching a guy(THE Exile)...just like you will teach your companions His bond with teh REAL Force was lost at Malachor 5(Council tells about a hollow man)...also first 2 Jedi Council members reply to "I feel teh Force again" with "I can`t sense that in you" more or less...only the third(Onderon for me - forgot his name) acknowledges that you are strong(debateable tho`). He CANNOT feel THE Force since it`s underlined in the whole game...nowhere you can find a line that states "I feel the Force in you". Kreia teaches him the right and wrong from her point of view(all hints say that her pupils ended up either on Malachor 5 or as Sith). Yes she questions teh Jedi Code and the Jedi ways in a nice way BUT her goal is simple...BALANCE and STABILITY BALANCE - no more than one great Sith Lord/Jedi MAster STABILITY - no more dogmas..no Jedi no Sith..THE MIDDLE WAY Also I must contradict you on the "You are different, with your choice the force is no more so important to you, you can live whitout it, and fight with your own strenght, and also whitout draining all around you" - At a point(I`m sure that WAS said not WHERE) I believe Kreia tells you that you increased your power through DISTRUCTION and WAR/BATTLES .. AFTER u begun your training as Kreia`s apprentice..that`s awfuly close to feeding the Nihilus way Atris...you can "save" her of what she became anyway...also at Malachor 5 is the "test" - you fight her as you are while she draws Dark Energy in her Dark Temple/Praying Ground/Dark Force Channeler/whatever .. also may have connection to the common idea that "All things that started in one place must end at that place" Actually...as a conclusion we may say this: U are right and u are not Malachor 5 apparently sent a "wound" wave/echo. Ever since numbers of Force Sensitives has shrunk due to Revan`s efforts and perhaps Sion`s/Traya`s/Nihilus`s. ANY Force sensitive can be turned into Jedi though Kreia`s teaching..which is USE the Force(literally) instead of being used by it. BUT using it has a terrible price - no one will be able to SEE the Force around a powerful "wound". let me explain..I am convinced that the Exile is a smaller Nihilus since there is NO WAY he can sense the REAL Force for the reasons above...also he blinds EVERYONE that is Force Sensitive where he goes(Visas is the only "Prophet" race Miraluka remaining and she`s on his side)..thus we have a POWER FORCE weilder who has the CHOICE to use it as he pleases,who has teh MEANS to do it,who CANNOT be stripped by it since he feeds on it AND he`s INVISIBLE to ANY Force Sensitive...AND with SOME followers to the same path...it looks like we have a whole Academy with its master as Exile and adepts as NPC`s..we also have some pawns(Mandalore,GoTo),we have an assasin who can kill Jedis/Sith,AND a bunch of padawans(Bao-Dur who apparently had done a bomb or something that done terrible things on Malachor)...sounds terrible close to what Kreia was doing before being stripped by her Force and with your companions on the ship In the end her TRUE purpose was to make you "The Man In The Shadow" or "The Man Who Makes Things Happen" EDIT:After a bit of thinking...Kreia teaches you to USE(literally as in MANIPULATE) the Force INDEPENDENTLY of her known already will to make things happen

Apparently for this case was 100%

Finish the Academy sub level and u`ll find him in teh Crystal cave

Malak is Revan`s puppet..without Revan he would`ve been a Jedi Guardian who would`ve crawled at the feet of teh Coucil..in a way Revan is to blame for Malak`s fall...MAlak had no other choice than to attack Revan when he was fighting the Jedi party because in one on one combat would`ve been killed...simple Malak was NEVER more than Revan`s apprentice...too stupid or hot-headed to take a good decision...always off-balance...always overpassed by teh events...too brutal and lacking foresight even for a Sith Lord... all in all...Revan`s puppy

I`m back with some more lines...which proves I was right from the beginning I will use quotes from game so do not read if u haven`t finished the game yet I was right in the beginning...Kreia wants to kill ALL Force Sensitives...THE FORCE.. doesn`t matter if they are Jedi or Sith.. "Create the right echo and all will be destroyed" "What you brought is death to all who feel the Force.You have brought death to the Galaxy" - Kreia at Dantooine Council chamber - DS Also Atris explains very well Kreia`s plan if u really want to listen - DS as well "...the Force was stripped from her and torn from you" - thus I was right when I told that he feels the Force NO MORE...his "Force" is a Nihilus way and Traya`s way "You are a wound in the Force" And now WHAT she intended all along - Atris`s words "She seeks to create a greater wound in the Force;greater than you are,a wound that would deafen all that is in touch with the Force.Few can survive another one(first I believe it was Malachor 5 who originally started it)" - my belief is that first wound was Malachor 5..next wound will be after all known Force Sensitives are dead(Jedi Council+Nihilus+Sion+Kreia). Atris is a Dark Jedi at the point you meet her 2nd time so no harm either if she lives or dies...Bastila is alive but she follows Revan`s way which is the Dark way...and Revan who is gone to teh Outer Rim(Sith or Fallen Jedi as well) .. "She seeks the death of all the Jedis and the Sith..of the Force and she thinks you are the key" __________ Add HK`s story about Revan,about what he had done AFTER Malachor 5 and namely: 1.ON Malachor 5 he "cleaned house" - his PRIORITY were the Jedis NOT the Mandalorians which means he was there with teh INTENDED purpose of killing Jedis,since Kreia was his last Master before Malachor 2.AFTER Malachor 5 kill all Jedis he could find or make them join the Sith Add that u normally(roleplay or self-understood) transform your companions into Jedis(Nihilus replicas as well) - somewhere one says that you always inspired THROUGH the Force people to follow you blindly So the logic conclusion: 1.You ARE a wound in the Force...in fact you are THE wound in the Force and again somewhere you learn that where YOU go all Sensitives are blindened(??) 2.You choose the Light Side you eventually will have to FEED on Force sensitives thus 3.You choose Dark Side..self explanatory - you kill all that is Sensitive Why were YOU chosen? Because Kreia CANNOT do it herself and she is too weak to do it anyway,thus she will need YOU She gives you one choice really...to kill all that is Force sensitive or .. to kill what`s Force sensitive simply because you will have no choice..actually knowing Nihilus you will eventually feed on everything that is ALIVE..no other choice unless you suicide...which you won`t do or it would`ve been in the ending

I found very many in lightsabers... Apparently by color Nadd`s short lightsaber has a bronze one but can`t be upgraded so it`s there forever lol 2 silvers in lightsabers,2 in boxes and 3 to buy for me.. 3 bronzes all in lightsabers,one orange found somewhere and 2 cyans or 3...in sabers as well

I play single saber ONLY always Bronze saber LS or DS no matter... Cyan and bronze tend to be in the sabers u get from quests/find Silver can be bought on several places or found on sabers as usual for now I have 4 silvers,3 bronze and 2 cyans... all of them except 2 silvers I believe are from lightsabers Bronze and cyan look awfully close to the kotor 1 sabers1s color with the unique crystals(mantle of the Force and heart of The Dragon) crystals

How lovely .. my post was deleted although had NOTHING offensive...more like underlining the most common signs that this game was rushed Also missing a whole map and having lines of dialogue hinting to THAT missing map(HK-47 speaking of the sonic thingie)..having the engine and managing somehow to make it worse moving/behaving than it has in the past...deliberately cutting dialogue lines that some quests can`t be completed even... THAT can`t be hid by fancy words like "those thingies u MAY find happen in ALL games" - this sounds like "Oh.look...his cat is dead too..." I won`t reiterate the previous post which was deleted probably because it offended some poor eye ... but instead of defending a poor done job would be better to assume responsability and do something about it But I guess I ask too much anyway... edit: I`ll post this message again and again if will be deleted by aby chance as it happened with the previous one

I`m a bit of a radical type While I have access to cracked versions I still buy the games THINKING that the money we give on those games help pay the guys who actually work on them(not the fat bosses who buy fancy cars and live in million dollars houses) From now all that is signed LA or Obsidian I`ll take cracked It`s unacceptable to slaughter in such a way the best game of 2003 ... AND to push it on the market despite the fact that Obsidian had still to work on it...and it`s all LA`s fault for DEMANDING it to be released And spare me the flaming that Obsidian and all...LA is to be blamed as THEY had the final word in this since it`s LA`s franchise Obsidian wanted to do a great job from the things I see they had ready for the game..they were pushed and hurried to end it thus they did... And to answer a previous question: the game needed BOTH finished first and polished later since it has neither of them two... If it wasn`t for the hall on Telos to the ships with those 3 or 4 banners all it`s empty corridors and blank walls