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obviously we got a different notion 'bout how well privatization has worked for keeping vet costs down? if we were less well off, there is numerous times we woulda' had to consider euthanizing pets for relative minor problems. *shrug* as to drugs, we complete disagree with you 'bout responsibility. our time working at juvenile hall is the reason we will never have kids, but it also inspired us to do a fair bit o' reading 'bout childhood development, particular kiddie brain development. perhaps gd recalls what he were thinking 'bout during teenage years, but you cannot genuine reflect 'pon how you thought. the brain you got now is substantial different than the one you had in junior high and high school. complex morality choices ain't possible 'til relative late puberty. as adults we often see teenagers and is baffled by their immaturity, but the immaturity is not only the norm, it is a result o' brain development. bad parenting and/or lack o' experience is what most o' us is gonna point to when we see kids do wrong. ain't that simple. good parenting teaches kids to suppress their natural immaturity until their brain develops enough so they can actual make enlightened choices. we got a few folks on this board with med backgrounds, and hurl is a teacher who must needs have taken numerous childhood development classes to get his credential. is so difficult for us to recall how we were using our brains when we were teens. sure, we likely look back on moments o' teenage stoopidity and probable chalk it up to our inexperience, but your brain were genuine different during those years, and even good parenting cannot complete overcome brain development issues. you were inherent irresponsible as a teen, even if you were able to suppress immaturity. opioids is also blurring the lines o' responsibility. random guy is prescribed opioids by a doctor. after all, the vast majority o' opioid addictions begin with dr. prescriptions. random guy works +50 hours a week doing construction or law enforcement or some other job. the only way he can work is with the aid o' painkillers. private contractor roofer guy don't work and his family don't eat. so, he takes opioids as directed by his doctor, and becomes addicted. roofer guy's pain ain't going away, but as with any such medicine, he is needing increase dosage to get similar/same relief. so, when roofer guy wakes up one morning and realizes he is addicted to opioids, who is responsible? the roofer? of course he is responsible, but he is also an addict, which again, by definition, means he is no longer able to act reasonable and responsible regarding his drug use. just don't take the drugs in the first place, eh? is not a viable option for many. "for there was never yet philosopher that could endure the toothache patiently."-much ado about nothing, shakespeare. roofer guy or cop or (ironic) dentist needs to work. even if one willpowers self though pain, the capacity to do work at a high level will be diminished. our hypothetical dentist with a toothache could likely will himself to endure pain, but no doubt gd would be concerned if he were getting a root canal from a white-knuckled and pale dentist who were sweating profusely. dunno. as we said already, we got no answers, but am thinking gd is oversimplifying. HA! Good Fun!

am not certain we would use animal teeth cleaning as a measure o' how/why the vet system works. is likely different where you live, but teeth cleanings and/or oral surgery for dogs and cats in northern california is expensive. call multiple vets results in increased Gromnir rage as we very get similar exorbitant quotes. quotes we got is ~$800. sounds as if is particular expensive 'cause there is a need anesthetize the animal. oh, and when we brought our cat in to get a teeth cleaning, the vet noticed something wrong with the cat's kidney during routine exam. probably should do tests before doing an $800 teeth cleaning if the cat has some kinda tumor which will result in death w/i months, yes? $792 in tests. no tumor. so, for all intents and purposes, we spend $1600 for teeth cleaning and assurance o' no tumor. ... again, am certain vet costs is different for gd, but such variation is part o' what is wrong, no? oh and as to drug sentencing, am in complete agreement 'bout silliness o' decade long incarcerations for non-violent drug crimes. still, the republicans has been much more dedicated to reducing teenage drug use through education programs than democrats. teenage drug use decreased substantially during the bush presidencies. we honest couldn't care less 'bout pot smoking adults, but the truth o' the matter is that marijuana use does impact brain development. high school and college aged kids is doing irreparable long term harm to themselves. don't even get us started on the opioid problem. suicide rates, which has increased dramatic in recent years, seem to mirror the opioid addiction increase. we got libertarian leanings, but addicts is, by definition, incapable o' making reasonable decisions 'bout their problem. etc. am honest not sure what a reasonable drug policy would look like. haven't seen a superior approach based 'pon party affiliation. libertarian hands-off ain't much o' an answer either. pretend Gromnir got solutions to drug problems would be a lie. for the most part, we got no sympathy for addicts, but kids who genuine don't have the brain development to make enlightened choices, and folks who original got addicted 'cause they were following doctor orders is making us reflect a bit. am thinking more than nothing is needed. HA! Good Fun! ps while there is not many northern ca folks here 'bouts, we do have local info to share. vet frustration led us to discover, after the fact, an alternative: http://catsabouttown.org/resources/low-cost-dental-surgery-and-cleaning/ they is booked 2 months in advance, but they got folks from as far away as LA bringing their pets for treatment. get an estimate in excess o' $2000 for dental surgery and these folks will do for no more than $600? as far as we can tell, the $600 number is rare actual charged. $350 sounds common for teeth cleaning, and more complex surgeries rare exceed $500.

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she has not budged. frustrating. is not as if Gromnir is the most charming man on the face o' the planet, but our previous attempts to learn cooking from grandmothers has met with universal success. be polite and complimentary and grandmothers is happy to pass along cooking tips and techniques. *shrug* am learning to live with disappointment. HA! Good Fun!

val posts make more sense if you picture him as the rl inspiration for jerry fletcher. more gravy val? HA! Good Fun!

y'know, we would never consider self to be a buick fan. q: what kind of cars does Gromnir like? a: ford trucks. has been years since we owned a ford truck, and we now have two buicks, a bmw suv, and a chrysler t&c mini-van. have stopped trying to make sense o' our life. HA! Good Fun! ps am admitting there is understandable creep factor 'bout a single man who owns a van even so, we got four dogs o' our own, and we typical walk six. we needed something which were a bit more "roomy." ... can't resist pps while we wouldn't call self a buick fan, acquisition o' a car with a gm 455 v8 big block engine (buick, oldsmobile, or pontiac) has been on our bucket list for some time.

have mentioned our portuguese cleaning lady once or twice? stopped by her place today to help her with something. her garage door were open and we saw what appeared to be an old buick-- flat tires and covered with dust. pretended not to notice, though we were itching to ask 'bout it. when we were done with our visit and 'bout to leave we questioned mrs ______ 'bout the car. she didn't know details other than that it were her deceased husband's car and it had been taking up space in the garage for a few years since he passed away. she were gonna junk it, but never seemed to get 'round to doing so. Gromnir asked if he could take a look. as far as we can tell, is a 1971 buick lesabre 4-door with a 455 v-8. two-tone green. hard top. got the engine to turn-over, but will need considerable work to be drivable. mrs. _______ wanted to give us for free if we would take it off her hands. nope. we wrote her a fat little check and said we would pick it up w/i a week. so, Gromnir has a new car, and another buick. HA! Good Fun!

am tending to agree. is not a positive endorsement o' wot. we dislike wot and have no anticipation regarding a wot tv show. am suspecting the most compelling aspect o' a wot tv spot will be the drinking games which it spawns. threat to box ears = drink. visibly smooth skirts = drink. rand/mat/perrin presence results in deus ex machina = 3 drinks. etc. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/14/mcconnell-thinks-garland-as-fbi-director-fantastic-idea-ex-adviser-says.html tab garland as director o' the fbi would help insulate trump from much o' the comey firing backlash. personal we would rather see a new director with a bit more prosecutorial or law enforcement experience, but garland is, if nothing else, a most intriguing option. HA! Good Fun!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-idUSKBN1890UO am thinking south korea and japan have legit reasons to be a bit concerned, regardless o' trump involvement. in spite o' the recent US focus on comey, the collected heads o' US intelligence seemed far more concerned 'bout n. korea as they answered questions before the senate on friday. HA! Good Fun!

more zor alternate world. a number o' pages ago we responded to gd regarding the cruise missile strike effectiveness compared to wild pigs. only in zor's bizzaro world would such be seen as some kinda misplaced and inappropriate resurrection o' an off-topic subject. 'course we did mention how the attack were a lesson to russia as much as syria, so is understandable why you would be unable to restrain self. russia is apparent sore spot for zor given previous humblings? 'course even if you did see some kinda door to the perpetrator o' the syrian chemical weapon attack as being opened by Gromnir comments, am not sure how that compelled you to wanna revisit a host o' other temporal remote topics. as for complete mischaracterization o' the iran deal, we relied heavily 'pon your own sources (2013) to refute notions o' iran's nuclear program being limited only to peaceful civilian power applications, seeing as your source indicated iran had nowhere near the number or kind o' reactors necessary to produce civilian nuclear fuel. instead, such reactors were having plausible value, 'ccording to your source, from the pov o' weapons development. further sources were provided which identified clear patterns o' iranian nuclear weapon development efforts including rand from 2012, iaea evidence o' nuclear weapons related info on Iranian scientist laptop in 2005, the 2011 iaea findings, etc. *shrug* am thinking we (over)indulged this most recent zor cry for attention. is periodic amusing to have Sherman set the way-back machine to previous years and abandoned threads, but as zor points out correct, we is low-energy. simply do not have the wherewithal to continue to repeat the already extreme repetitive multi-page threads. our exhaustion threshold is indeed limited. HA! Good Fun!

one o' our biggest concerns regarding trump during the election year were the fact he appeared to have no concept o' the role o' the President in our federal government. every Presidential candidate makes promises which there is no chance o' fulfilling, but during the campaign, trump routine made promises such as banning muslim travel to the US and ending birthright citizenship, promises which would require Constitutional amendments for him to be able to actualize. it always seemed as if trump thought he would be running the US the way he were able to run a business. so far from reality. am agreeing with gd in regards to Congress rolling over for obama, but the truth o' the matter is Congressional reluctance began before obama became President. in the absence o' Congressional action, the executive branch (not necessarily the President) filled the void. obama were far more blatant 'bout his use o' executive orders to achieve goals seeming w/i the purview o' Congressional discretion, but the folks on capitol hill were indolent and torpid long before obama. sadly, the backlash resulting from obamacare made Congressional passivity worse as the last time Congress roused itself resulted in sweeping changes during midterm elections. part o' the problem trump faces is the executive branch bureaucracy, empowered by Congressional impotence, has always been largely indifferent to who occupies the oval office. can't run the executive branch w/o the career bureaucrats, and can't fire 'em all 'cause they is the only folks who know how to do their jobs. new secretary or director steps into a post and attempts to make sweeping changes. such naivete lasts a year or two. heck, as often as not, Presidential appointees end up going native. the President is not the CEO o' the USA. not even close. am thinking trump has been unprepared for just how little he can do w/o the aid o' Congress and the courts. trump is a populist candidate who actual ain't particular popular, gaining less than 50% o' the popular vote in a year when few folks actual voted. he wants to be the next andrew jackson, but whereas jackson were an experienced politician who actual were elected by an overwhelming majority, trump is inexperienced and has had to deal with historic low approval ratings. jackson could overwhelm Congress and the courts in part 'cause he were so popular. trump, on the other hand, needs build consensus to achieve Congressional ends, and he is a polarizing candidate as 'posed to a consensus builder. trump can't bully Congress effective and he doesn't have the experience (or temperament) to deal with the functional independent executive bureaucracy, or the institutional independent courts. unlike leferd, we has typical voted republican. before 2016, most folks reading a ferguson, gaza, obama, SCOTUS or taxes thread on these boards woulda' assumed a republican party membership for Gromnir. the thing is, we don't feel compelled to vote party line, and we has even reversed our position on a number o' issues. affirmative action offended our younger self as we saw how folks assumed a successful native american could only possible have achieved through government meddling. has only been a relative recent Gromnir who has done a 180 regarding affirmative action. yeah, affirmative action violates our sense o' fairness, but there has been long-term, systemic biases 'gainst US minorities which ain't gonna be corrected simple by leveling the playing field in the 21st century. even so, our rejection o' trump would seem to be 'gainst expectations. our rejection o' trump don't fit our typical party voting pattern, and it don't fit with the likely expectations folks created based 'pon our defense o' cops and our rejection o' obama foreign policy actions. heck we ain't even been universal opposed to trump actions. we thought mcmaster appointment were enlightened. the measured response to syria's recent chemical weapons attack were highly effective given the bloodless nature o' the object lesson. even if the build-a-wall promise were asinine, am actual in favor o' immigration reform as we see enormous US resources being used on illegal aliens. etc. intellectually, am a free agent. nevertheless, contrary to what some believe, we don't want trump to struggle as he has been. sure, a largely impotent trump wouldn't bother us at all, but trump's narrative o' conspiracy is further eroding American faith in almost all the institutions o' the US government. trump is a self-described narcissist, and from what we has seen so far, he will willing (figuratively) burn down the wh around himself 'fore he gives up on his legacy. not good. very sad. HA! Good Fun!

alternative facts. zor's alternative world. am not certain what inspires such dogged pursuit o' Gromnir. zor has looked ridiculous on most issue even tangential related to russia even w/o Gromnir input (the now 13.4% o' russians living below poverty would likely agree with us), embarrassed himself regarding the peaceful iranian nuclear program, got his hat handed to him during the palestinian/israel threads, and has had almost preternatural ability to mischaracterize legal issues. *shrug* we take leave from this board frequent enough. one hiatus were as long as 2 years. real life has real demands 'pon our time. zor is simple gonna need accept we ain't as invested as he is in the off-topic obsidian message boards. our energy/endurance is indeed lower than zor's. thank goodness. even so, while we is rare surprised by zor anymore, the hypocrisy o' a complaint 'bout thread posting propriety amaze us. gonna need review your last couple o' posts, eh? in an attempt to stay relevant, https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-11/trump-ordered-to-turn-over-giuliani-memo-in-travel-ban-suit is another instance where past utterances is gonna bite the wh in the arse. keep authoring broad executive orders and the courts is gonna look for intent beyond the 4-corners o' the document. HA! Good Fun!

we got beta access, so if you wanna wait a couple days, we can provide feedback 'fore you take the plunge. HA! Good Fun!

we can see obsidian and chris getting back together. go for a spin in the old buick skylark. drive down riverside and reminisce. talk 'bout the good times. good times. HA! Good Fun!

we read the blurb broadly so as to mean that the BattleTech franchise, based 'pon the turn-based tabletop wargame, would be returning to the pc. HA! Good Fun! ps moments ago we noticed Tales of the Black Widow Company were selling for $59 at amazon. gonna need dig up our bettletech stuff and have us a fire sale. proceeds go to a worthy cause: reservations for two at the laundry in napa.

dear lord. got two of you. you want more evidence than were already presented in the previous thread? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/syrian-forces-nerve-gas-attacks-hrw-170501175703947.html pattern is also evidence. such evidence, including flight trackings already mentioned previous, convinced a goodly number o' world leaders when the USA delivered its object lesson to the syrians... and russians. 'course if russia hadn't veto'd, we would have independent investigations to satisfy zor and the other mummers doing their best head-in-sand ostrich schtick. 13 on security voted for or abstained. and nothing mysterious 'bout Gromnir disappearance from the boards in mid april, is there? particularly seeing as how 2 days 'fore easter, in the last post directed to zor, we observed how we would be departing to spend easter with family. kinda low energy and/or willful obtuse o' zor not to notice. utter (un)shocking we would be away from the board for two weeks in in mid/late april during an announced trip to the midwest, no? no. what is with the fatigue posters? say something new and we will revisit. HA! Good Fun! ps am baffled by the folks who somehow see similarities or equivalency o' a free press endorsing and advocating candidates during an election and a foreign government, surreptitiously working to subvert the democratic process in the United States.

I thought there was an earlier kit list (as my memory told me the Landsknecht was on a later version of the kit list), but I can't find any listing that has the myrmidon kit. The Landsknecht is on all the ones I can find (and was mentioned by Sawyer in an interview, so the myrmidon one must have been fairly early). yeah, the early suggestions were near universal reviled. landsknecht is kinda the point at which josh seemed on the verge throwing in the towel on trying to sell balanced kits which would not trivialize the base classes. am admitting we cannot find a list o' the initial kits either, but has been a long time. HA! Good Fun!

you still have not read the study, eh? alternative facts your way to daylight, is that the goal? contrary to your statements, the data collected and presented goes back further than the recent economic downturn. example: "The second chapter (of the pew report) uses U.S. Census Bureau data to examine characteristics of Mexican immigrants residing in the U.S. in 1990 and 2013." your initial complaint were ridiculous. yeah, pew used the 2009-20014 timeframe for their study o' reasons why mexicans were moving back to mexico 'cause that is the period o' time when more mexicans were returning to mexico. duh. fact o' a US economic downturn does not change the fact o' the underlying numbers. do you got evidence o' a return to net positive mexico-to-usa immigration? the recent improvement in the economy has not benefited lower middle-class and lower class americans, so seems unlikely the situation for mexican immigrants has improved much, but knock yourself out looking for alternative numbers. you made a mistake. again. heck, you failed to even read what were being discussed, which should be baffling but ain't. even so, am suspecting you is gonna try and turn this into an endurance thing. *shrug* HA! Good Fun!

you are becoming comical. heck, you can't even read color coded graphs we linked as the net outflow started in 2005. you said: "It's also notable that they chose the period of the worst US economy for their study, when many people lost their jobs and had to move back to Mexico where cost of living is much less." to which Gromnir responded how The Pew Study provided data going back further than the recent economic downturn. you denied. you never bothered to actual look at or read the pew study. you even admitted you saw no reason to bother looking at the pew study, the study Gromnir kept referencing. *shrug* the pew study included the worthless and "fictional" immigration numbers provided by the US Census and homeland securitygoing back, in some instances, decades. likewise, the study includes immigration data from the mexican government as far back as 1990, which no doubt is equal fictional. the only fuzzy numbers we can see is the extrapolation o' the reasons why mexicans were returning to mexico from 2005 to present. poll 1000 families is meaningful, but without seeing the questions presented and getting more details 'bout how the 1000 families were chosen, Gromnir is not certain how much faith to put into pew's conclusions 'bout the Reasons mexican immigrants has returned. however, the baseline immigration numbers is not fuzzy. US census and homeland security. Mexican government. HA! Good Fun!

As far as data reliability, US data is simply the US census. Even Americans don't like to answer the intrusive census questions, but have to under penalty of law. Is it credible that an illegal alien who's already breaking the law really going to admit to the US government that not only is he illegal, but there are another 15 illegals living in his two room apartment? Every time there's a census major cities raise hell because they claim illegals are undercounted which costs them representation and per capita funding. so, as we stated already, you never bothered to look at the pew report which were linked. you got a real issue with not actual reading stuff. is a serious flaw. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ph_2015-11-19_mexican-immigration-01/ http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ph_2015-11-19_mexican-immigration-02/ "To calculate estimates of how many Mexicans left Mexico for the U.S., this report also uses U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey (2005-2013) and the Current Population Survey (2000-2014), both adjusted for undercount, which ask immigrants living the U.S. their country of birth and the year of their arrival in the U.S." etc. as stated numerous times in the study, the focus were 'pon reasons why mexican immigrants were leaving the US. the interviews o' immigrants returning to mexico were from 2009-2014, but again, the study contemplated and addressed the flow o' mexican immigration going back significantly further than 2009. you really gotta learn to use reading skills. check author qualifications. etc. HA! Good Fun!

you mean other than Gromnir stating it? "am happy to see obsidian is sticking to iwd2 kits pov compared to bg2. and yes, we know iwd2 didn't have kits, but it were gonna until the developers switched from 2e to 3e. iwd2 kits did not make the base class less appealing. " regardless, the list provided does not encompass many o' the initial josh offerings, and most bg2 kits were not present. the original josh kit suggestions were more tame. had such stuff as the myrmidon for fighters. HA! Good Fun!

sadly, such simple reasoning would lead to the conclusion o' mexico>USA. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/05/more-mexicans-leave-the-us-than-come-across-the-border obviously the issues ain't as simple as vol believes, but for many mexican immigrants to the USA, illegal or otherwise, mexico has become an increasing attractive option. HA! Good Fun! Fake news straw man. Trump didn't say anything about "net Mexican migration". The professor is putting words in his mouth, then claiming Trump is wrong. Plus the author is obviously an open borders advocate, and left leaning Pew studies are always suspect. It's also notable that they chose the period of the worst US economy for their study, when many people lost their jobs and had to move back to Mexico where cost of living is much less. Edit: US takes 1 million permanent immigrants each year and 20% of all the world migrants, yet even people who qualify to immigrate in Mexico have to wait 20 years! https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don’t-they-just-get-line So yeah, no one wants to come here! you clear don't understand strawman if you are raising a trump issue in the present circumstances. vol didn't mention trump. Gromnir didn't mention trump. vol suggested the flow o' mexicans coming into america shows usa>mexico. we noted how such reasoning would lead to the conclusion o' mexico>usa 'cause mexican immigrants are leaving the usa at a higher rate than they is arriving, and the linked study claims such has been the case for a number o' years. wanna talk' bout trump instead? make up an irrelevant issue and then attempt to refute it? *chuckle* clear don't get straw man. I said the linked article is strawman because they assume what Trump meant, then argue against that, instead of what he actually said. As far as definitively refuting Pew, I can't do that because there is no credible data available, so they can get away with claiming anything. It's certainly true that many more people want to come here than can get in, which I proved above. It covered 2009-2014, the period of high unemployment and slow growth. Illegal migration surged in 2015 and 2016, and has now fallen like a rock because of the credible threat of enforcement. so, wod indulged in strawman to point out strawman? *chuckle* regardless, technical the article linked ain't even strawman as the premise were phrased as "if" trump were referencing mexico. is one o' the inherent flaws o' overdependence 'pon logic. the premise itself were sound enough. also, the data covering the immigration issue ain't gonna get much more definitive than numbers released by the US government and Mexican government. again, show how methodology were wrong. first you expressed the problem as a leftist bias. now is a suggestion there simple is no credible data available... which we will recall the next time you claim numbers of or costs related to illegal immigration. got a long memory. oh, and the linked pew study addressed more than 2009-2014. please recheck. they got data going back much further. gonna give you one more chance to correct your own error. "Russia was pulling for Trump while the American media was pulling for Clinton. Seems fair to me." one can hope this were just another wod hyperbolic brain spasm. HA! Good Fun!

Especially around Cabo San Lucas. Have you ever been there? It's like someone moved Bolinas down to Mexico only everyone speaks English. But it is turning into a tourist trap which will ruin it i'm sure.. back when the housing market collapsed ~2008, a few o' our friends who were retiring sudden found their homes worth less than half what they s'posed, and other savings depleted. couldn't retire comfortable in the usa. so they moved to mexico. is apparent a number o' communities south o' the border which sprang up specific to appeal to folks in similar straights. HA! Good Fun!

would be a relative non-story if it happened on january 20 or 21. assume trump cleaned house and puts his guys in at fbi and epa and doj? no surprise. woulda' expected predictable democrat (and a few republicans) grumbling if comey were fired in late january. relative non-story. 'course the situation today ain't what it was on january 20. the President is contradicting his press people and admitting the russian investigation motivated the firing. got yet another story o' how trump s'posed demanded loyalty from folks who swear an oath to the Constitution rather than to the president. the flynn situation were an early misstep for the wh, made worse by recent revelations regarding how the President had considerable warning regarding flynn's... issues. the trump campaign ties to russians won't die. etc. the past matters. what trump said yesterday or last week or last year matters. the courts keep reminding the wh o' how the past is not instant irrelevant. yeah, if comey had been fired back in january, some folks woulda' cried foul as the russian investigation had already begun. even so, such firing coulda' been explained away as part o' the largely impersonal changes made during trump's transition. woulda' been a relative non-story. however, to pretend as if may 11, 2017 is actual late january of 2017 is self-serving, at best. am not certain why folks wanna view the comey firing as some kinda insular event; it ain't. clinton woulda' fired. trump coulda' fired. so what? comey being fired because of the russian investigation is a story. trump demanding comey loyalty, three times like some kinda ritual, is a story. the constant adjustments o' the wh narrative regarding the firing o' comey is also a story. HA! Good Fun! ps is kinda amusing, but Gromnir has never been convinced there were a story regarding the russians and the trump campaign. the trump folks (not flynn) were often learning on the job and we don't doubt a few o' them had ill-advised, but largely innocent conversations with russians who were under surveillance. to us, the notion o' some kinda coordination 'tween the trump campaign and moscow seems a bit farfetched. 'course it is the coverups and lies which gets folks in the mostest trouble. am doubting there is any real russian story insofar as the trump campaign is concerned.

sadly, such simple reasoning would lead to the conclusion o' mexico>USA. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/05/more-mexicans-leave-the-us-than-come-across-the-border obviously the issues ain't as simple as vol believes, but for many mexican immigrants to the USA, illegal or otherwise, mexico has become an increasing attractive option. HA! Good Fun! Fake news straw man. Trump didn't say anything about "net Mexican migration". The professor is putting words in his mouth, then claiming Trump is wrong. Plus the author is obviously an open borders advocate, and left leaning Pew studies are always suspect. It's also notable that they chose the period of the worst US economy for their study, when many people lost their jobs and had to move back to Mexico where cost of living is much less. Edit: US takes 1 million permanent immigrants each year and 20% of all the world migrants, yet even people who qualify to immigrate in Mexico have to wait 20 years! https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don’t-they-just-get-line So yeah, no one wants to come here! you clear don't understand strawman if you are raising a trump issue in the present circumstances. vol didn't mention trump. Gromnir didn't mention trump. vol suggested the flow o' mexicans coming into america shows usa>mexico. we noted how such reasoning would lead to the conclusion o' mexico>usa 'cause mexican immigrants are leaving the usa at a higher rate than they is arriving, and the linked study claims such has been the case for a number o' years. wanna talk' bout trump instead? make up an irrelevant issue and then attempt to refute it? *chuckle* clear don't get straw man. don't like pew? fine. refute. insofar as determining rates o' immigration, the study (studies) seemed to rely on US census bureau, US department of homeland security data and the mexican government's ENADID. whatever fuzzy numbers came into play appear to be related to the hypothesized reasons for the reversal of immigration patterns. got an issue with the methodology? go for it. regardless, the the data clear covered more than simple the recent economic downturn. suggest otherwise means you yet again didn't bother to read or didn't understand. yeah, 'course what will have trump particular riled is how folks in the fbi clear leaked such info to the nytimes. gonna need to investigate... right after he gets done with the mike pence voter fraud probe. HA! Good Fun!